Honey Bee cp3 Tail got superspeed

[killernilsen]

Hello i bought a Honey bee cp3 RxR, i connected the reciver and using the trasnmitter for Belt CP v2. i took some googling to find out how to place the cables to the reciver properly, we had some problems there we only got 2 out of 3 arms to move on the original setup. now the swash plate work like it should but the tail is out of controll, when i turn right i get superspeed and spinns 3-7 turns and when i turn left it hardly moves, i have to move the stick all the way to the left and it barly stops.

My friend bought one aswell he has the same problem, the tail stops when he stops turning. but he gets superspeed to the right, and it barly turn to the left at full turn.

any ideas? :arggg:


we have tried 7 difrent recivers the 6ch 2.4gz 3x (EK2-0426) and 4x (EK2-0424) we use the same Transmitter 2.4gz EK2-0406J-2 | 000989 - Esky 6ch 2.4ghz Transmitter (mode 2)

Thanks for Reading and helping :noteworthy

[killernilsen]

Hello i bought a Honey bee cp3 RxR, i connected the reciver and using the trasnmitter for Belt CP v2. i took some googling to find out how to place the cables to the reciver properly, we had some problems there we only got 2 out of 3 arms to move on the original setup. now the swash plate work like it should but the tail is out of controll, when i turn right i get superspeed and spinns 3-7 turns and when i turn left it hardly moves, i have to move the stick all the way to the left and it barly stops.

My friend bought one aswell he has the same problem, the tail stops when he stops turning. but he gets superspeed to the right, and it barly turn to the left at full turn.

any ideas? :arggg:


we have tried 7 difrent recivers the 6ch 2.4gz 3x (EK2-0426) and 4x (EK2-0424) we use the same Transmitter 2.4gz EK2-0406J-2 | 000989 - Esky 6ch 2.4ghz Transmitter (mode 2)

Thanks for Reading and helping :noteworthy

[Nemisis69]

Sounds like you don't have the end points set right on the tail. Observe how much pitch your tail grips have and adjust. Should have the same in both direction

[killernilsen]

we have been trying since friday, i have no idea how to set the tail endpint.
when moving the tail left it barly stops. when i barly turn right it get superspeed and spins around. it feels like left -2 power and right + 50 power..
:mad: it is driving me and my frind nuts,
Thanks in advance :D

[killernilsen]

Here is a picture of my controller http://www.thinkrc.com/images/products/esky/replacement_parts/000989_ek2-0406j-2.jpg

but the strange ting i just notised is when i Trohttle the blades lose tracking and i have to use the hover.pit to fix the blade traking. so i have to move hov.pit and trothttle at the same time to keep the blade traking.

[praetorious]

If I remember correctly, the Honeybee is something like the Blade CP, and has a tail motor, so there won't be any blade grips or endpoints to adjust(esp not on that radio).

When you give it rudder in one direction, it should rotate quickly to that side. When you give it opposite rudder, the tail motor will slow down and even stop, as the machine is using the reaction torque from the main rotors to rotate. If that is a the tail motor version, then the behavior you described is correct, and there are no problems.

The only thing you need to check is that your gyro and tail are turning in the right direction and I think you'll be fine tail wise, I can't give specifics because i don't know the model and the main rotor rotation direction, etc.

B.R.
Amit

[killernilsen]

If I remember correctly, the Honeybee is something like the Blade CP, and has a tail motor, so there won't be any blade grips or endpoints to adjust(esp not on that radio).
yea ther are no blade grips here is a link to my heli
http://www.buzzflyer.co.uk/RC-Helicopters/Honey-Bee-CP3/p-70-125/


When you give it rudder in one direction, it should rotate quickly to that side. When you give it opposite rudder, the tail motor will slow down and even stop, as the machine is using the reaction torque from the main rotors to rotate. If that is a the tail motor version, then the behavior you described is correct, and there are no problems.

arlgiht but i can barly tutch to the right but full left. and i have to turn on hov.pit at the same time as throttle to keep the blade traking.


The only thing you need to check is that your gyro and tail are turning in the right direction and I think you'll be fine tail wise, I can't give specifics because i don't know the model and the main rotor rotation direction, etc.

B.R.
Amit

The Rotor blades are rotating clockwice so dose the rotor blade . :D
Thanks agian :noteworthy

[praetorious]

Yep, Your tail is absolutely fine. It should rotate very quickly nose right, and the motor should turn off for nose left. Here is a video from the inventor of the electric tail rotor motor scheme:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc_l0PDZHps

As for the tracking issue, I think it's worthwhile to work through setting up the head yourself, things won't be perfect out of the factory. What you need to do is statically and dynamically balance your main blades first. After that you need to do the head setup, which consists of centering servos, adjusting links for a level swash, blade grips and flybar at 0 pitch. Finally, you'll have to check the tracking. The above video has some useful information for these procedures, and there are some excellent threads on HF and RCG for the set up.

Visit Finless Bob's Techroom and have a look at the beginner's thread. Excellent repository of videos for almost everything you will need to do:

http://helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=41692

Watch the videos on tracking and CCPM setup

You'll definitely need this thread for some info which is more specific to your machine:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=494197

B.R.
Amit

[killernilsen]

Thanks those films and forum did help alot now i just have to adjust the gyro :D
I bow in the dust for your wise words:noteworthy

[praetorious]

No problem. Happy to hear it helped. No bowing necessary, if you stick with it in year or two, you'll have some wise words of your own.

Skål

B.R.
Amit

[killernilsen]

well we have been adjusting the gyro to be perfect so now the helicopter works as it shold except one ting it wont lift off evry ting looks right the swash plate works like it should and the servo arms are moving in sync after what i can se. and the swash plate are nutrual. so this makes no sense.
any idea we have look at oter forums and youtube we just cant find it out.

[killernilsen]

i think we figured out what the problem is, it wold seme that the swash plate is moving upp but the wings tilt the wrong way so it pushes the helicopter towards the ground? i have no idea how to fix this.

Help plx:noteworthy

[praetorious]

That's odd. Well you just have to reverse the servos then. There should be some little switches near the bottom right of the transmitter to do this. Only reverse the cyclic servos though, that is ele, pit and ail.
Check that the swash motions are correct for cyclic and you will be fine. Is it possible for you to record a short video of all your servo movements so we can see what's going on?

B.R.
Amit

[killernilsen]

yea il se if i can post a video later here is a perfect description on what is happening.
This is what it is supose to do right?
LEFT CONTROL STICK (Throttle & Rudder) - UP to increase rotor speed and apply positive pitch to main blades - DOWN to decrease rotor speed and apply negative pitch.
Here is what mine do.

LEFT CONTROL STICK (Throttle & Rudder) - UP to increase rotor speed and apply (NEGATIV) pitch to main blades - DOWN to decrease rotor speed and apply Posetive pitch.
I dont get this it makes no sens and when i look at the blade grips thy look exactly. the same on both sides.

[killernilsen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGMSVv1_lpI

Here is the video i did promise. dose it make any sens to you?
and tell me if you need a longer video

[praetorious]

This video is ok. Just a quick reminder, make sure you unplug the motors when ding these tests, lest you injure yourself and damage your heli.

If you view the heli from the left or right side, when you move your left stick up, the swashplate should lower to increase blade pitch. When you lower the stick, the swash should raise and decrease the pitch.

When you move the right stick forward, the swash should also tilt forward, viewed from the left, it should look like this ' / ' . When you move the stick backwards, the swash should tilt backwards, which when viewed from the left looks like this " \ ".

When you look at the heli from the rear, and move you right stick to the left, the swash should also tilt left, looking like this " /". The opposite is true when you move the stick to the right.

There should be pictures in your manual showing this I think. Your video shows the swash collective going in the wrong direction, so you will have to play with the reversing switches. Try reversing the ones I told you to and see if it works then. There should be a section in your manual that says what the switch positions should be, can't tell you off hand what to try, but I think you might have to keep AIL set to normal and reverse the ELE switch.

If you can't find it in the manual, you'll have to play with them till they work.

B.R.
Amit

[killernilsen]

the motor is ofc unplugged! safty first.
but the swash plate moves like it shold just not upp and down like you said. then the pitch makes a bit more sens but if i reverse the Thr witch makes my swash plate go the right way, Ail=up Ele=up Thr=up Rud= up. this sounds wird
Ail=up Ele=up Thr=down Rud= up. this is what it stands on normaly then the controle works like it shold just not the swash plate, it moves upp innstead off down
if we change Ele or Ali on the controll we just get a difrent problem, when we reverse Thr we have to start at full Trottle and not bottom like it should be.

[praetorious]

Try putting the switches: down, up, down, up . Don't reverse the throttle switch or play with the rudder switch, those won't have any effect on your problem an will leave you with further headaches if you play with them.

EDIT

I just downloaded the manual for your machine, the switch positions are shown on page 6, it is supposed to be down-up-down-up. There is also a control test section on page 10 which will help you check that the operations ar correct.


B.R.
Amit

[killernilsen]

Try putting the switches: down, up, down, up . Don't reverse the throttle switch or play with the rudder switch, those won't have any effect on your problem an will leave you with further headaches if you play with them.

EDIT

I just downloaded the manual for your machine, the switch positions are shown on page 6, it is supposed to be down-up-down-up. There is also a control test section on page 10 which will help you check that the operations ar correct.


B.R.
Amit

Are you SURE the blade grips are correct? after what i can se they are on the same way. on every picture off the heli. This is a new heli we havent been able to get it off the ground yet.
the helicopter and the swash plate are moving the right way if you do anyting whit
Ail=up Ele=up Thr=down Rud= up, we just get a new problem it is connected like it should, the problem we havre are
1 the pitch moves the wrong way. but the swash moves the right way
2 the swash moves the wrong way but the pitch moves the right way.
it is eiter 1 or 2. everyting else works like it should.

port 1-6 on the reciver
1 Pitch
2 elevator
3 Motor wire
4 Tail wire
5
6 Aileron

[755 robert]

Your heli looks to be the same head setup as the blade cp.The swash should move up for neg pitch and the swash should move down for positive pitch..

[killernilsen]

Your heli looks to be the same head setup as the blade cp.The swash should move up for neg pitch and the swash should move down for positive pitch..

Yea it is supose to do that!
but it dosent
this is what happens when the arms are correct and moving in sync

Trottle up = Negativ pitch and the swash plate travels upp
Trottle down = posetive pitch and the swash plate travels down
to make this correct i have to reverse Thr. and start from bottom but that makes it full trottle at startupp. and that wold be a bad bad idea. :D
but how to we change the swash plate to go the other way whit a standard E-sky Transmitter 6ch from a belt cp v2

[praetorious]

Ah, I think I know what it is. You've got your servos are in the wrong ports. Use the switch settings I told you, and put the servos as follows:
1-aileron
2-elevator
6-pitch
B.R.
Amit

[killernilsen]

Ah, I think I know what it is. You've got your servos are in the wrong ports. Use the switch settings I told you, and put the servos as follows:
1-aileron
2-elevator
6-pitch
B.R.
Amit

nope that only gives us a new problem
then the elevator is moved to Trottle and Pitch in elevator and they dont move in sync
so that gives me result in when i am throttling up my heli tilt back wards. and when i move the elevator stick forward (supose to tilt forward) it gives me posetive pitch and when i move the elevator stick backwards (supose to tilt backwards) it gives me negativ pitch, and the servos are not moving in sync.

[praetorious]

Man this is weird, I got those settings straight from the manual, unless i have a different manual. Can you take a close up pic of your 3-in-1 for me? Also A shot with t he cabling to each servo would be nice too.

B.R.
Amit

[Rotteknekten]

Hi This is our receiver setup :
1-pitch
2-ele
6-ail