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JasonJ
07-15-2007, 08:33 PM
So this is more for the fellow noobs that might stumble across this site before they lay down the coin and watch all that loot get wadded up in a complex ball 0' plastic and metal.

It all starts on a fateful day in April 07 when my ever thoughtful and loving wife says every budding rc heli pilot's dream phrase: "I want to get you a helicopter for your birthday". I can't even fathom how many poor bastards have entered this joy-fest due to loving wives/husbands/families.

Bear in mind, I am 38, and have had a private obscene fondness for all things helicopter, and was intrigued by the thought of an rc helicopter when I saw some while in Germany back in 87. I also have a very strong mechanical background and a strong understangin of helicopter flight. The price tag, followed by the shop keepers tales of horror made my mind up for me: I'll pass. I still wanted one, though, and in the last few years had started sniffing about the 'net, and seeing fascinating cheap electric helicopters on Ebay. I would watch the vids, be intrigued, but since they lacked true "helicopterness" (coax, no true controlled flight, 2 channel, etc), I was less than impressed. I also did not do nearly enough research, and this was a few years ago anyway.

So out of the blue the loving wife says that previously mentioned deadly phrase, followed by the next deadly phrase: "I saw this cute little one on TV". Now, I think to myself that if it is on tv, it has to be bollocks, and sure enough, it was, so I told her if she was serious, I would do some looking and tell her what to get. This is where the story heads south. I did not do enough research, and this is what most budding noobs end up doing. Instead of looking for what works well and what does not, I started looking for a heli based on that most wretched of techniques, price. We are not made of money, but we are not starving either. That being said, I did not want my wife killing herself for what might end up being something I might not keep doing anyway. I have other hobbies such as bass fishing with boat, home theater, firearms, and mountain biking.

Pay attention here fellow noobs, this is where it gets bad. I decide that, based on what I want the helicopter to do, that at least a 6 channel is what is needed, with collective pitch. I start the search on the 'net, and within minutes I come across this "great for beginners" 6 channel known as. you guessed it, the now infamous Walkera 22E. Inexpensive, looked like it was something that would work well, showed the wife, and a week later it was at my house.

Within 24 hours the tx failed. Once the tx was replaced, I found out very quickly how difficult this was, and without getting an inch off the ground, I ordered something that I found out was a "training kit" composed of balls and rods. Got those, took it outside, and within minutes crashed. Put new blades on, crashed, replace a broken bit in the main rotor head, crashed, fixed it again, and the tail motor died. Wife felt bad, I was frustrated, but not discouraged. This is where I started perusing any forum I could find, and found out about the horror show that was my poor little helicopter.

Because once I start a hobby, I immerse myself, I started buying any magazine I could find, and burning countless hours on the net. I found out about simulators, but quickly found out that my 7 year old laptop would not be able to handle the sims, so that was out. I also found out about this thing called a "trex 450se". I looked at the price of entry and quickly placed it in the back of my mind as a "maybe down the road" deal. I started reading about this other helicopter called a "Falcon 3d". It seemed okay, despite its low cost, it was rtf (which I also found out is a false term that should be abolished from this hobby). Anyway, I bought that, and despite what some have said, it has proven to be very useful in teaching me this hobby. I managed to progress from crashing a Walkera 22e to actual hovering, no training gear, staying in control and deciding where the thing hovers instead or reacting to it and ending up in the "pendulum of death". Yeah, I had a few heli/ground interactions, but the damage was minimal, and cheap to fix.

I have since replaced the stock tx with a Futaba 6exhp which proved very helpful in that I could program in throttle/pitch curves and expo that helps with flying the darn thing. The Walkera sits on the shelf waiting for what will be the third tail motor but will be a direct drive ducted fan meant to replace those cheap tail motors. I just want the darn thing to fly. It is unfortunate that I can't use a sim because I demo-ed a Realflight G3 and an FS-one, and they were great. I also live in an area where there is no one else doing this, and anyone who is lives 40 miles away, same as a field to find these people. So, here is where I am at: I live in the boonies with only the internet to learn on, I can't afford to get a new computer to get a sim, so I have to use that Falcon as a learning tool to gear up to a Trex 450 or even a nitro maybe. It is progressing though, thankfully.

What I am saying is, make sure to do a ton of research before dropping the cash. I would be into a Trex had I just bought one in the first place, but I don't regret the Falcon. At least the darn thing will hover hands-free for a couple of seconds. Now, to master that whole nose-in thing....

Jermo
07-15-2007, 10:10 PM
There's no such thing as nose-in/tail-in/side-in..there's just flying the rotor in relation to the body of the copter. Understand and master that statement and flying will suddenly become much easier. Also don't be afraid to drive several hours to get experience with real copter drivers. It's invaluable to have experience pilots watch you, with shaking hands, struggle to hover only to them gently advise you... lean on the sticks..don't pump...feather touch...yeah..that's it..your getting it.. let's tweak your settings a bit....etc..

Gold all the way. For me it was the difference between flying and hovering.

one last bit I'll pass that I got from those who know. Buy the biggest copter you can afford to REPAIR. This may mean spending $1000 or more but the larger copters are more stable, forgiving, and are easier to learn on.

I've learned zero to flying FFF, circuits, loops, rolls..etc without ever using training gear. I'll also credit the RADD flight school (free on the net) and the Realflight G3.5 simulator.

Have fun.

BigMike
07-16-2007, 01:23 PM
Jason, I'd say that you are most definitely ready to start on your 1st T-Rex build.
You won't believe how much more stable they are than your Walkera or even your Falcon.
All of Jermo's advice above is spot on except i'm not sure I understand his "nose-in" philosophy! :)

Jermo
07-17-2007, 07:55 PM
BigMike,
Basically that comes from my starting experiences as a chopper driver. I'd run accross pilots who had been "flying" for 2 years but struggled on basics. They'd say things like "I'm still not comfortable on <insert some basic here>". I was confused because after just a few months I was already doing those moves. Yes my hands shook and I was scared most of the time but I was doing the moves.

I have a theory that had I not encountered anyone with those mental blocks I wouldn't have been afraid to fly at all because I wouldn't have known it was "hard".

In reality nose in isn't any harder than tail in or anything else. It's primarily how you learned. If you have a fixed wing background then you're probably mentally handicapped by the experience. I don't mean dumb..I just mean you are trying to apply past experience with the fixed wing to the chopper. This causes you to over think rather than just fly.
hope that makes sense.

If anyone is insulted by this post you need to re-read it because you didn't understand it correctly.

Iceman140
07-17-2007, 09:58 PM
Jason-

Having fun yet? :D

Just a few notes that I got that helped me fly better.

1. You should always feel pressure on your right stick. As soon as you center it or let go, you'll lose control in the hover and will be playing catchup like you said.

2. When the heli is coming at you in forward flight, to level the blades throw the right stick in the direction of the low side and it will come up. This helped me with the "reverse" thinking controls. Forward and reverse never seemed to give me trouble though, when raising and lowering the blades for and aft.

Anyways, have fun. Sorry to hear about the Walkera. I just got a Dragonus II and a lot of TRex 450 flyers have one also and are comparing the two side by side. Just another option when digging your money pit. :mrgreen:

See ya!

Ed

JasonJ
07-21-2007, 11:07 PM
Thanks guys. I am still wrapping my tired brain around your concept Jermo, and I think I am nearly there. I got that ducted fan on the 22e and it works well. I tend to take more risk with that one because it costs little to fix.

Iceman, I only need to give some right cyclic near the ground, but when it is hovering above 3 feet, I have it trimmed well enough now where it stays put hands free for about 2 seconds, then starts to drift. Nothing crazy, pretty easy to keep control of now. What is helping me out now is the 2100 lipo. The stock 1300 lipo gave me about 5 minutes. I get 10 minute flights and still have 3.7 volts on each cell so I could probably go longer. Just trying to not stress out the new battery. This has helped me to get "comfortable". The 5 minutes the other battery gave me just was not enough. Just as I was getting into the groove it was time to land. Kinda makes it hard to make any progress.

I have been on the fence about the whole Trex vs Dragonus thing. I have poured over countless posts, videos, articles, and just can't decide. The Dragonus seems tempting, but at the same time, the Trex seems to be a proven helicopter with a massive aftermarket. I also am thinking about scale, and there are plenty of fuselages for the Trex.

Still, I need to be proficient at flying before I look too far into the future. It is fun, even the Walkera torment is fun, because when it works, it is fun to fly. Got to love the money pits. I have another pit called a Fishing Boat. Lets not even discuss the money involved in that. I could buy lots of helicopter stuff with the money that has gone into that hobby. Speaking of boats, I need to do some bass fishin' tomorrow...

Iceman140
07-21-2007, 11:57 PM
JasonJ-

BOAT: Definition- a hole in the water surrounded by wood and/or fiberglass into which one throws money.

Gave up fishin' when I found out you can buy fish. :mrgreen:

Course I spent $800 upgrading my equipment to spend 30 hours on Mt Washington in New Hampshire on an overnight hike on February 3rd, 2001. Oh yeah, it was cold. Great place to keep fish from spoiling though. :)

Ed