My Mini first notes Logo 5003D review

[OICU812]

Well this is one straight forward heli to build that is for certain folks.

Finally got it all done and up in the air. So far it feels very nice and solid in flight.

Here is setup:
Lipo: Flight Power 3700MAH 25C packs
Servos: 9252 Futaba
Gyro: Logitec 6100
BEC: Western Robotics 5AMP HV, "works like a champ!
RX: AR 7000 Spektrum
Motor: NEU 1910(H)-1Y "1050" kv
ESC: Kontronik Jazz 55-10-32
Pinion & Gear: Currently Logo 10 gearing 200T Main, 21 tooth mod.5
HS: 2260 at 80% Goverened
Blades: 550mm Helimax
TR Blades: Stock

Do not have the 22 tooth and 23 tooth Herrinbone pinions in hand yet therefore the reason behind the Logo 10 gearing. Had to elongate the motor mount to get the pinion far enough back due to this, not alot but keep this in mind if you do run teh Logo 10 gear and pinion smaller than 22 tooth mod.5.


Anyhooo notes to be considered of this particular setup. These were with a Spektrum DX7 TX btw...

pitch 12.5 deg
cyclic 7 deg
NO BINDING ANY WERE !


-gyro end ponts 105% both ways
-gear channel 34% leaving gyro with gain of, 35% in F3C mode.
-smoothness set at 7% could go 1 or 2 lower but stops well.(lower # harder stops)
-reciever type JR (4 selections)
-performance HIgh
-end points 93-113
-0 centre trim.
-40 % expo in rudder 0% in hold mode(auto)

Stock except head button and pinion/main gear Logo10 // Also inserted #3092 Extra Hard dampers in head as a insurance ticket for the hard 3Dz...

In 3D mode the Logitec really wanted to do a weird wave on the tail, it holds like a hero however in F3C mode throughout any maneuver I could throw at it.


*NOTE* Have to clean up the wiring some more as well. :D


Some summary notes on this setup:

Still working on the feel, it is abit different than my Logo 14s and even feels abit different then my Logo 10s of the past, it feels more solid imho.

If running 6S and 550 main blades you will want to run a 22 tooth "Herringbone" for medium 3D to Hard, and 23 tooth "Herringbone" for some higher HS and good pop. Keep in mind with 3700mah lipos and 3D flight with 22 tooth you will be in the 4:40-5:00 minute range and with 23 tooth likely to see top times of 4:00-4:20, this is with 550s remember.

I can estimate with 500mm main blades you could see up to a minute to possibly minute and a half more flight time. Also the obvious if you ran a larger capacity lipo in the 4350 -4900 range that would help in that respect as well.

The heli autos "Awesome" imho, much better than my Logo 14 with the new tr drive on the front, seems to really keep the inertia.

Anyhooooooo babbling on here.....

I will be also testing this with a FlightPower 8S1P 3700 mah pack setup with a 17 tooth Herringbone pinion which would be in the HS range of 6S 22-23 tooth Pinion. More to come on that once I try that out. Only trying it as I have the packs in hand to do so and with having the 55-10-32 on board it is a simple thing to do.

In conclusion, awesome heli guys you will really all like this. I feel the improvements alone on the tail are a seller. No skipping, no weird noises or tendacies at all. I am really pumped for the 6003D now for certain.

I will report back more when I have more flight time, as well as more lipo/pinion combos as well. Here are a few pictures of the heli in flight.

[OICU812]

Here are some more fun pics, my buddy & heli coach Willie giving it the Lord of The Rings "my precious" rub, lol.

[Finless]

Nice! Thanks for sharing Shawn!

Bob

[Doug101]

How do you adjust the 6100? I have mine down below like that and can't really see the lcd. I use a dentist mirror if I have to make changes, but that is pretty difficult.
DOug

[misskimo]

hey , cool looking forsure , mine came in , but Im at work and its at home :badair: cant wait to get it ready for IRCHA ,

[Laurens]

Mikado had a frame at 3Dmasters. I tried to twist it but its just impossible.

[stevehonn]

Mikado had a frame at 3Dmasters. I tried to twist it but its just impossible.

It sure is. The frame is a very interesting design, light weight but very rigid although trying to get the nuts on the bolts that hold the frames together was an interesting exercise!

[BOOGIE]

I put the nuts on one of my small hex drivers and pushed it in it is a piece of cake that way

[OICU812]

Flew it tonight on 8S, with 17tooth Herrinbone gear and pinion. At 75% goverened the HS was 2420 and it was moving hot as a firecracker! Now I must wait for a 22 and 23 tooth Herrinbone than 6S will be tried again for certain. I have Eagle Tree graphs of both 6S on 21T straight which would be equivalent to 22T herringbone 6S, as well tonights 8S with 17tooth. I will post tomorrow night ot soon when I get them up and have more time. Anyhow little update for you all. Also trying TT 550s this weekend as they just arrived this am from UK, .

BTW, edited first post to include the fact that I did use #3092 Extra Hard dampers in head.

[OICU812]

Ok here are some graphs, again the 6S graph is the 1910(H)-1Y with straight Logo 10 main gear at 200Tooth count with 21 tooth pinion. The 8S1P graph is 215 tooth main "Herringbone" gear with 17tooth Herringbone pinion. Both systems pulled in the 85-90 amp high range while the 8S produced more watts naturally. Both test were done with 550mains. Of course as you can see the 6S test was interupted for setting tail and tweaking. Still tuning the setup but it flies very nice and the motor runs great on either 6 or 8S that is for certain. Against my original thoughts the 8S pack fits fine and balances fine to, the only thing is if I am to stay with 8S I will need to find and use abit longer orings as the ones provided are abit of a stretch for the fatter lipo.

[amdemby@pol.net]

Sean;
How did you get that color effect on your canopy and stabilizers...was it sprayed or dipped?
Dr. D.

[OICU812]

amdemby, just spray paint is all, be well. :D

[OICU812]

Ok so tonight another flight on the L5003D with 8S. ABout 2 mins into flight a noise, landed and the main gear is toast . Here shown is a pic of the gear, it is shreded in a few areas, not the whole gear. The mesh was as in manual, no backlash and everything was aligned correctly. At this point not sure why it stripped, I do not feel it was too much power, I am leaning towards this plastic motor mount. I had problems running almost any setup on the L14 with the darn plastic mount, and in inspecting the motor mount where washers were you can see it may have had a slight angle, with straight cut gears and pinions this is likely not as big of deal, however it appears and in thought that the herringbone will have to be bang on at all times to maintain proper meshing etc....Back to 6S and logo 10 gearing till pinions and gears are in hand. I might just wait till the aluminum motor mount is available to try 8S again as well, we shall see.

Note the size of 8S and its' position, still room but not alot vertically that is for certain. A 6S 4900-5000 pack will fit though as well and balance out. nice for those T-Rex 600 owners, and I can tell you even now with such little flight this heli flies "WAY" better than the t-rex 600 without a doubt.

[Eyon]

carefull the lipo doesnt slip back into the pinion! it has happened with these taller packs!

deffinitly go for mod 0.7 herringbone gears, much stronger for the power. there are talks of the alu motor mount, and a lower bearing for the motor shaft too, which will elliminate any chance of the pinion flexing away from the main gear

[OICU812]

The aluminum motor mount is "NEEDED" imho. Stripped out another 200 L10 gear today, such a fun helicopter if you can keep gears in it.... :bomb:

[bladebreaker]

Hey Shawn,
Are you running 550s on a standard tail, or did you stretch it? I just ordered the 500DX and was thinking about 550 mains.

Thx,
Tip

[OICU812]

550s' fit and work 100% fine, as well 92mm tr blades with 550s no issues.

[bladebreaker]

Awesome! I think I'll try to find some TTs.

Tip

[OICU812]

I found the TT blades at Midland Helicopters in UK, quick to ship and at my door in less than a week as well, :). One thing to keep in mind is the 550s' do load up the disc significantly more than 500mm main blades. :wink:

[bladebreaker]

Thanks, I have been having trouble locating them. Do they load up the disk because of extra weight or extra lift? I'm using mine for AP, so I don't need a crazy high headspeed.

Tip

[OICU812]

Actually I find them to be much more efficient in ar than the Helimax that is for certain. Much quieter and more bite to. For now I feel these are the best option in the 550 range, however the new RCP from readyheli look tempting to. I do wish Vblades would get on the 550 bandwagon again. :wink:

[bladebreaker]

Yep, Vblades are nice. I have them for my Logo 20. Any opinion on RotorTechs or NHP?

Tip

[OICU812]

NHPs are fantastic blades as well, RTs' are definetely fast on cyclic but not the best auto blade imho.

[bladebreaker]

Thx Shawn. I need a solid auto. I just ordered some TTs from Midland.

Tip

[LITHIUMSTATIC]

Hi Shawn! I'm very jelious!!! Some day soon I hope to get on the Logo band wagon! Do you think the Logo 5003D would be a good sport flyer with 500mm blades on a 5s 5000mah pack?

Thanks

Jeremy