is the AR7200BX hard to set up

[rhsmd]

the only flybarless heli i've flown is the m cpx.
i can't decide on the 130, 300 or 450x ? 500x.
are they hard to set up. is the beastx box difficult to fine tune? does it need any fine tuning, or is it truely out of the box and fly?:thinking

[ahahn]

It isn't particularly difficult, but it has some subtle points that take a little effort to understand.

It always helps to have already done it once!:bacon

Since the 300X isn't out yet, all one can go on is the 450X. That seems to be working reasonably. Some people have issues, my guess is that not all individual heli's are perfectly setup from the box.

My advice (which I plan to take myself) is to
1) make sure my blades are reasonably balanced,
2) Check that pitch is ~0 at midstick,
3) Corrections from BeastX are correct (this stuff is on checklist in manual I think)
4) Quick check of grip bolts and any other bolts to see if they are appropriately tight and feel locktited.
5) Spool up with blades off, to see that swash doesn't go nuts due to some vibration (this is in the BeastX V3 manual.
6) follow first flight advice in manual, to see how it flies.

I think it will be flyable from the initial setup, if you have good "hands" and feel comfortable with the mCPX. But you need to take it slower since TH & walk away with no damage is less of an option with this bird.

Also wait to hear how others are finding this bird. No reason to be first. Better to be last standing!

Just my 2 cents.

[InFocus]

I don't own a BeastX. I do own some other FBL units, such as the copter-x and align 3g.
I've also reviewed the BeastX manual, and am impressed with the information they provide and the format of the information.

Setup:
I don't really find any of the FBL units difficult to setup. They all just have a series of step by step instructions that are pretty easy to follow. BeastX appears to have the same thing.

Tuning:
I suspect the initial tuning of the BeastX will be very flyable without any seriously bad tendencies. You'll definitely be able to 'fly it' with the stock tuning, and then fine tune it to your preferences.

The next trick with tuning any FBL unit is the ability to recognize what the helicopter is doing, and when is it doing it. Such as:
-wobbling, and which axis is wobbling or shaking.
-does it's orientation change when doing certain maneuvers.
-does it rotate past its stop point and bounce back, etc..
-drifting

I found the beastx manual had some pretty good guidelines for tuning such as:
if your heli is acting like this, then turn this down a bit.

Also, the community of beastx users is very large, so others may also be able to give tips, if you can describe the ill behavior your perceiving with your heli.

The Align 3g for me was the most difficult to tune or get working the way that I wanted.
The copter-x FBL unit I have working nicely, but it took a fair amount of reading and experimentation to understand PID settings and what they do.

As soon as the 300X is available, I'll be able to compare beastX first hand.

[toys2cars2toys]

I'm pretty sure that it will be the same as the BeastX which is surprisingly easy

It should be factory set out of the box, I'll no doubt do a full check when I get mine

The settings inside the AR72000 are pretty discrete ie relatively easy to set and not really too much room for error as long as you follow the step by step instructions

With the beastX, you first teach it receiver type, order of channels, type of swash, servo types etc (all of this should be documented for the 300X and will be it's 300X default setting)
You then go through a series of steps, like set "X" servo to midpoint, press the set button, then the next and so on, set the pitch to "X" degrees, set button, move the tail to 1 end of travel, set, move it to the other end, set, etc etc all very step by step, as long as you have a pitch gauge... it''ll be easy
While in the set up mode, you use the TX sticks to adjust the settings, the LED's on the beastx to get info and the button to enter and move on

It really is a case of do it once and then it makes lots of sense

Beyond that, the tail gyro gain will be set on the TX, and the responsiveness gains are set on 3 pots, although typically 2 will stay factiry set and only 1 may need a small tweak - I'm sure the factory settings for all of these will be documented

I did a trex250 with BeastX, it flew without problem, only needing adjustment of the tail (TX) and cyclic gains (1 Pot). That was the first FBL system that I'd ever set up

I wouldn't worry I think that it will be fine

[rhsmd]

thanx all!

[Hoosiermo1]

It's super easy. After doing it one time you can run through it in ten minutes. My 7200bx flys flawlessly. Bone stock gain settings.

[TheHeliDude]

My 450X flew perfect out of the box :)

I saw Mikel Graham (Blade's product developer) fly the 300X at the RC Expo 2 weeks ago and he made want one of those too.

I would say though the bigger the better unless you don't have the space or the money (bigger is more expensive). I'll probably pick up a 130X to fly in small spaces and then fly the 450X in large spaces.

[nbells]

When I got my AR7200BX for my 500e I was a bit aprehensive about setting it up .... but having read the manual and then tried it ...... I got the hang of it within a few minutes.

Its alot easier than it seems :thumbup:

nbells

[FlyingFiz]

It is very easy to set up and the manual is fantastic - no chinglish or odd concepts lost in translation. Best manual ever!
Also in the BeastX threads there are set up vids that Nexgen did of each setting and whats required, so if any doubt view these while setting up and you cant go wrong.

[Scotty T]

Guys, I have a 300x pre release for review in helipilot magazine. The setup is nothing. It's in the manual. It's nothing like the beast X because it's a broken down version of it. You don't program it with a computer, there is no advanced setup. The manual tells you exactly what settings to do depending on what radio you have. Then you bind it up, hover it, give it a few test flights and adjust the gains accordingly. They've made it very simple.

[mtuccio]

Guys, I have a 300x pre release for review in helipilot magazine. The setup is nothing. It's in the manual. It's nothing like the beast X because it's a broken down version of it. You don't program it with a computer, there is no advanced setup. The manual tells you exactly what settings to do depending on what radio you have. Then you bind it up, hover it, give it a few test flights and adjust the gains accordingly. They've made it very simple.


I think I understand you post but I would like to clarify a fewe things:

The AR7200BX provided with the 300X is the same as a unit you would purchase from Spektrum without a heli. The only difference is that the unit has a preloaded file that is specific to the 300X. These preloaded values will be restored to the unit in the event that you perform a factory reset. Other than this the unit can be used on any helicopter from 250-700 in size without issues.
The software in the AR7200BX in the 300X is programmed identically to the AR7200BX you buy in the store or a Microbeast unit. You never needed a computer to program the Microbest so I guess you post confuses me in the statement "You don't program it with a computer, there is no advanced setup". There never was......
You post says that the 300X is using "broken down version" of the Microbeast software and this is not the case. The Spektrum software in the unit is V3.0 which is the same as version 3.0.8 on the Microbeast. This has been confirmed by HH development.
I don't want people to read you post and think that the unit being supplied with the 300X is different to the AR7200BX or the Microbeast you can buy today. This really is not the case.....

Please don't read my post the wrong way, I'm just trying to clear up some facts because your post reads in a very misleading fashion.

Peace...:peace

[Scotty T]

No, no offense taken. My point was. Horizon ships this so the novice can put in the radio programming as written in the documentation. They don't ship software of any sort with this heli so there is no programming, then you bind and go.

Hope that clears it up.

[mtuccio]

No, no offense taken. My point was. Horizon ships this so the novice can put in the radio programming as written in the documentation. They don't ship software of any sort with this heli so there is no programming, then you bind and go.

Hope that clears it up.

I figured as much...It's all good....:thumbup:

[Mad Man Mark]

so, guys, where's the BeastX/AR7200BX set-up vids?

[vertico]

I think this is one of the best:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIv5IIQ-Vs4&feature=youtube_gdata_player