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ov10mech
06-11-2012, 02:21 PM
Sorry if this is old news. I was just f***ed out of 600.00 :mad: and I want to warn everyone.

For any value over 250.00 you must use signature confirmation or you lose all rights as a seller if the buyer states they never got it. I had a guy use same e-mail address and buy from me twice under two different names. USPS showed delivered.. he claimed he never got two items, and Paypal debited my account even after I clearly showed he was scamming. Its burried in their user agreement. Items were insured.. Not sure yet in the Post office is going to do anything. I doubt it.

If anyone lives in the Bronx and wants to help me track down this dirtbag please PM me.

SYMAWD
06-11-2012, 02:35 PM
Don't they have to sign if insured over $200 despite having signature confirmation or not?

ov10mech
06-11-2012, 02:36 PM
Obviously not since they didn't. If you can point to a reference that the PO should have collected a signature it might help my insurance case.


Don't they have to sign if insured over $200 despite having signature confirmation or not?

flyinfool
06-11-2012, 02:44 PM
Don't they have to sign if insured over $200 despite having signature confirmation or not?

NO!
They charge extra for signature required.

I always tell sellers to ship signature required when shipping to me. I have had packages delivered to the wrong address and I ended up being the looser. Many people will keep a mystery package that appears on their doorstep but will not sign for it so it has chance of being redirected to the correct address. I have a neighbor 2 blocks over with the same house number, both addresses the street name starts with the same letter, we are constantly exchanging mail that is delivered wrong. Complaining to the USPS does nothing.

I also always ship packages signature required for the same reasons.

USPS simply says that they delivered the package, they can not say to where they delivered it, just that they left it somewhere. At least with a signature they know who they delivered it to.

SQRT(-2)
06-11-2012, 02:50 PM
USPS will mark a package as delivered before they actually deliver it. They will just mark everything delivered then head out on their route so it looks good. I have had a package that was delivered in the system, but was lost behind a seat in the truck.

ov10mech
06-11-2012, 02:50 PM
Forgot to mention this was sent to a PO BOX!

Corvette & Copter Guy
06-11-2012, 03:04 PM
I would not have shipped to a P.O. box. I have been buying and selling on Ebay for many years. I to have learned the hard way...not to that expence though. The buyer protection is great...for buyer. As a seller you dont have shit for rights. At the very least a delivery conformation number must be used. I stopped shipping outside the lower 48 states because I almost lost out on $1,200.00 and it was a USPS issue, not mine. I hated to exclude prospective buyers, but its just not worth it.

haha
06-11-2012, 03:16 PM
Ive lost $700 in a transaction for the exact same reason. Paypal is just unfair that;s all.

SYMAWD
06-11-2012, 03:25 PM
Obviously not since they didn't. If you can point to a reference that the PO should have collected a signature it might help my insurance case.

NO!
They charge extra for signature required.

I always tell sellers to ship signature required when shipping to me. I have had packages delivered to the wrong address and I ended up being the looser. Many people will keep a mystery package that appears on their doorstep but will not sign for it so it has chance of being redirected to the correct address. I have a neighbor 2 blocks over with the same house number, both addresses the street name starts with the same letter, we are constantly exchanging mail that is delivered wrong. Complaining to the USPS does nothing.

I also always ship packages signature required for the same reasons.

USPS simply says that they delivered the package, they can not say to where they delivered it, just that they left it somewhere. At least with a signature they know who they delivered it to.
Incorrect. This is exactly what USPS is instructed to do: "insurance over $200 use Form 3813-P, a signature is required"

I never pay for signature confirmation and people who receive my stuff insured for $200.01 or more always have to sign.
USPS will mark a package as delivered before they actually deliver it. They will just mark everything delivered then head out on their route so it looks good. I have had a package that was delivered in the system, but was lost behind a seat in the truck.
Not true where I live, mine gets scanned the same time it is delivered.

hamstar78
06-11-2012, 03:31 PM
uugghh this is not what i want to read i just shipped a heli out thats due today but i did delivery confirmation not signature. its a residential delivery though. sorry to hear abouyt the scam and i hope paypal and usps takes some action

hamstar78
06-11-2012, 03:33 PM
Don't they have to sign if insured over $200 despite having signature confirmation or not?
i was told by the post office when i asked this same question thats its up to the mail carrier at the time of delivery, some will leave it and some will not

SYMAWD
06-11-2012, 03:36 PM
i was told by the post office when i asked this same question thats its up to the mail carrier at the time of delivery, some will leave it and some will not

According to their site it is required.

ov10mech
06-11-2012, 03:42 PM
I owe you! I went down to the local PO and told them what happened. If its over 200 they automatically collect and scan the signature even if you don't pay for it probably to protect their insurance. She wasnt supposed to give it to me but she did. I have both signatures of this asshole and going after him through law enforcement, paypal, and ebay now!
:peace


Don't they have to sign if insured over $200 despite having signature confirmation or not?

hamstar78
06-11-2012, 03:43 PM
I owe you! I went down to the local PO and told them what happened. If its over 200 they automatically collect and scan the signature even if you don't pay for it probably to protect their insurance. She wasnt supposed to give it to me but she did. I have both signatures of this asshole and going after him through law enforcement, paypal, and ebay now!
:peace
awesome glad to hear it, i hope you get that scumbag, post his info so we all know who not to deal with.:thumbup:

ov10mech
06-11-2012, 03:48 PM
It was a non heli transaction via Ebay.

Just dont ship to BOX 852 in the Bronx and you should be ok.
awesome glad to hear it, i hope you get that scumbag, post his info so we all know who not to deal with.:thumbup:

SYMAWD
06-11-2012, 03:49 PM
I owe you! I went down to the local PO and told them what happened. If its over 200 they automatically collect and scan the signature even if you don't pay for it probably to protect their insurance. She wasnt supposed to give it to me but she did. I have both signatures of this asshole and going after him through law enforcement, paypal, and ebay now!
:peace

On the house this time;)

propxprt
06-11-2012, 04:27 PM
I hope that guy gets into as much trouble as possible, I truly hate thieves.

Rago
06-11-2012, 04:34 PM
Same thing happened to me when selling a HP Touchpad, sold for 275.00. i didn't know I need Sig Com and shipped it. He said he never got it and because I didn't have a signature got poped. Keep us posted about PayPal and if they take that signature! I am curious what will happen!

poor_red_neck
06-11-2012, 04:40 PM
I owe you! I went down to the local PO and told them what happened. If its over 200 they automatically collect and scan the signature even if you don't pay for it probably to protect their insurance. She wasnt supposed to give it to me but she did. I have both signatures of this asshole and going after him through law enforcement, paypal, and ebay now!
:peace




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I really hope the resolution works out in your favor. Hate to see somebody get ripped off by a scumbag.

ov10mech
06-11-2012, 05:00 PM
It has been re-escalated to a Paypal supervisor. She believes it will be overturned but have to wait up to three days for answer from the department that handles these issues. It has already been appealed twice. Paypal is very arrogant. I guess they can be since they really have little to no competition.

:clap:clap:clap:clap

I really hope the resolution works out in your favor. Hate to see somebody get ripped off by a scumbag.

poor_red_neck
06-11-2012, 05:46 PM
Well it's that and they are always going to take the side of the buyer when there is any question.

Reason being if all the "little guy" paypal sellers went away, it's no big deal. If the BUYERS go away, it's a huge loss of money. They have spent alot of time trying to build a reputation for going on the side of the buyer. They don't want to lose the corporate business, and without the buyers, you don't have the corporate business.

Sadly, paypal never has really cared for the "average joe" seller (IE SUB 100K/yr)

ov10mech
06-11-2012, 06:45 PM
Perhaps.

Seller 584 Positive Feedbacks 100% Ebay Member for 12 Years. $68,000+ sold through Paypal last year

Buyer 3 feedbacks 100% Postive - Member for less than one year.


You would think this would be considered along with the evidence of having two claims but they went for the new guy.



Well it's that and they are always going to take the side of the buyer when there is any question.

Reason being if all the "little guy" paypal sellers went away, it's no big deal. If the BUYERS go away, it's a huge loss of money. They have spent alot of time trying to build a reputation for going on the side of the buyer. They don't want to lose the corporate business, and without the buyers, you don't have the corporate business.

Sadly, paypal never has really cared for the "average joe" seller (IE SUB 100K/yr)

jgalen0025
06-11-2012, 08:50 PM
Sorry about your situation but it does state on paypal website under seller protection that you need proofof delivery
You don't need sig con to get proof of delivery
( I work for the post office)
Other means of getting proof of del wout sig confirmation include: blue sticker insurance(above 200 not black label which is below 200) certified, registered, express,
Or ups and fedex all have proof of delivery standard
As far as scanning packages
The policy is that all extras, priority, and up are to be scanned arrived at destination post office and then scanned delivered or left notice if not available for signiture
The reason your package is scanned at for ex 4 and the doesnt show in the comp till 5 is bc the scanner is updated when the carrier gets back from delivering whole route
Some do prescan things but you will get fired if anyone finds out since there is no way you can deliver all your packages at once(scans are monitored by postmaster

Epoweredrc
06-11-2012, 09:02 PM
man that sucks hate to hear, I have been selling lots on ebay and everything i sell I get signature on it, even small items i do not want them saying they never got it, if they signed for it then hope they can't say i didnt send it i always use tracking also. i cant stand when people send me things w/o tracking got two this past week w/o tracking didn't have a clue when they be here

65L88
06-11-2012, 10:47 PM
I owe you! I went down to the local PO and told them what happened. If its over 200 they automatically collect and scan the signature even if you don't pay for it probably to protect their insurance. She wasnt supposed to give it to me but she did. I have both signatures of this asshole and going after him through law enforcement, paypal, and ebay now!
:peace

You might have a mail fraud issue here if he signed for an item (or two) that he later claims he never received. Might be worth checking into. Federal felonies are especially serious stuff.......