The Official SCHC thread

[Finless]

Yea, I have 100% control of my heli's at all times.

Really Vic?

Let's see.... Buzzing the border funfly you fly that very same mini-titan over the crowd and made people RUN.... If I have to show that video I will!

Last time you were at Arbor you crashed your Raptor e550 right at your OWN feet within 3 feet of hitting yourself and your wife!

Then (I was not there) but the last SCHS funfly you crashed right at people loosing it into the crowd. YES even though I was not there, I heard ALL about it man...... AND you say your in complete control? I call :bs

Now your flying a 50 nitro which is WAY more dangerous.... Sorry man..... You have NO IDEA what control is all about!

The only way your going to show anyone you have control is to take my challenge! Alas I knew you would pull a bunch of forum propaganda and weasel out of it......

I honestly hope one day Vic you can:
1) Show regard for SAFETY with your flying AND a respect for others safety
2) Show others that you actually have a level of control before showing a video of you with a 50 sized heli doing MAD 3Dz that you clearly have no comprehension of...

Sorry for taking this to this level dude but your own videos FORCE me and others to set you as an example of what NOT to do...

Want ME and everyone else to get off your back? Take my "Finless Challange" man... SHOW US that you have control and have been flying as you say for over a year! IN CONTROL....

I am going to say it LIVE that your a lier man.... Local folks here also KNOW you are a freakin lier! The BS post above that you say that you have been flying nose in and FF for over a year is BS dude... You know it and all of us know it.
You can't fool the people that live in this area and have seen you fly.. We won't let you fool people that DON'T live near you here on Helifreak! Only way now to prove it is a video....

TIME to STEP UP..... Take my "Finless Challange" man... Then and ONLY then will you and your videos get respect...

I really would like you to succeed man I really do! That is what I am all about... I have helped people all over the world and do so every day but your attitude about MAD 3Dz and then LIE to people about your skillz and show video that CLEARLY shows your unsafe....

Well how long are you going to misslead people man? Seriously man... seriously.... LOOK... SEE.... and THINK and if you really think the videos you share of you flying is even close to showing control... Well.... then... I dunno... I guess you will never know man... Sorry... I have never given up on helping but if you are going to stand right in front of me and tell me "I am in control" then I guess I can't help you anymore man :(

But ONE thing you should NOT do is LIE to people Vic..... Come clean Vic! If you just got off the MAD 3Dz thing and showed your vids and were honest with everyone and KNOW your limitations.... this calling you out issue would go away.... Why would you lie and try to tell people you can do what you really can't? Just curious?

Bob

[HeliSmith]

FInless I am not saying you are wrong. Let me paint a different picture though.

If he has tried and tried but still couldn't fly nose in. Never will be able to. Does that mean he shouldn't fly helis? I vote we clear the field and let the man fly. He's a grown up I saw we let him do it. I do get that people like the guy in that video paint a bad picture for the rest of us and god help us if someone got killed at one of the fields that would spoil it bad.

That is how I feel though. Victor should be allowed to fly.

[HeliSmith]

With that said I am out. I took some part in running off Mitch and why? Because he snapped at someone while he was working on his heli? He does cuss people out I seen him do it with the archers, he does snap at people we have all seen him do it. He is still a solid dude. None of you guys stepped up for him...

My first instinct was to stand up for you guys and ask Mitch to chill a little but when I thought about how it really went down last night I changed my mind. All this time people have had an issue with Mitch but never said anything to him. I rather hang out with Mitch at least he will tell me to my face what's up.

So I will go right along with him. I won't go away mad I will just go away. Good luck you guys. I have much respect for some of you Long, Jason Chow, Tim Phan, Eddie NY, Peter, Hovig, Victor. I want to hang with you guys still when we are out flying. But SCHC politics I don't want anymore of.

[emag remrofni]

Me too. I'm out of this thread. It's just turning into a pissing match.

[Finless]

FInless I am not saying you are wrong. Let me paint a different picture though.

If he has tried and tried but still couldn't fly nose in. Never will be able to. Does that mean he shouldn't fly helis? I vote we clear the field and let the man fly. He's a grown up I saw we let him do it. I do get that people like the guy in that video paint a bad picture for the rest of us and god help us if someone got killed at one of the fields that would spoil it bad.

That is how I feel though. Victor should be allowed to fly.

If that is the case..... Then he shouldn't be trying to do more complex moves BEFORE he can do basics... This is what is UNSAFE... Because he will get in a orientation he cant hold and CRASH into crowds and people... If he never can do nose in then he needs to work on that before trying to slam a heli around like Jason Chow! Do you get that point now? I am not telling him NOT to fly but to actually spend some quality time rather than be a 600mm blade wielding danger!

So you guys don't like this topic? Hmmm I wonder why? Emag posted a video trying to make us believe it was him and hell I bought it... So what does that mean? It wasn't him and was just another LIE.... I dunno.... I question some ethics here man and would not be at all surprised when someone leaves this club after growing up!

Bob

[HeliSmith]

I came back to add Tim Phan to my list of much respect. I probably forgot a lot more.

I don't disagree Finless that the basics need to be learned first. Victor I think knows the basics needs to practice them more.

Emag was the pilot. He is 13 and he is amazing. Better then both of us put together already Bob.

(Heavy accent here) Peace my bros

[Finless]

BTW Emag... are you really Team Modefo's? If he is not sponsoring you then I think you should not wear the title? If your a customer that is proud to buy from Wes.... How about "I love Modefo's" or something.... Stating your part of his team if your not is another BS line.... If you are part of team Modefo's GREAT and sorry for questioning it....

Bob

[Finless]

Emag was the pilot. He is 13 and he is amazing. Better then both of us put together already Bob.


Ummm he already said he wasnt in a PM......

Bob

[brovic777]

For the record, at Buzzin the Border a freaken gust of wind took my Mini-Titan as it was way to windy to fly there at 30mph gusts. Yea, it took off, but I also brought it back dude and did not crash.

At our home funfly, I had a straight radio lockout, and lost total control of the heli. That even happens to the pro's.

And at ur field, there's bad shadow affect in the evening, and I admit, I did loose the orientation of the heli. I know now to to fly there no more in the evening.

Anyways, Buzzin the Border, and that Flight at Arbor Park was back in September 2007 and before. I've gotten 100% better since then. And all the guys in our club can vouch for that that I don't fly uncontolable wild anymore crashing every flight.

Like I said before, in the past six months, I've had only 2 crashes. One was because of radio lockout.

[brovic777]

Lets keep this place friendly guys. No more drama please, please, please. :)

Lets fly, always be safe, and have fun.

[Airboss]

For the record, at Buzzin the Border a freaken gust of wind took my Mini-Titan as it was way to windy to fly there at 30mph gusts. Yea, it took off, but I also brought it back dude and did not crash.

At our home funfly, I had a straight radio lockout, and lost total control of the heli. That even happens to the pro's.

And at ur field, there's bad shadow affect in the evening, and I admit, I did loose the orientation of the heli. I know now to to fly there no more in the evening.

Anyways, Buzzin the Border, and that Flight at Arbor Park was back in September 2007 and before. I've gotten 100% better since then. And all the guys in our club can vouch for that that I don't fly uncontolable wild anymore crashing every flight.

Like I said before, in the past six months, I've had only 2 crashes. One was because of radio lockout.

for the record thats BS. we all would like to blame a crash on anything but ourselves but the reality is, if you assembled it wrong it will crash, if you dumb thumb it will crash, if it had Rx interferance then dont ever fly it. bottom line is unless a meteor fell from the sky and hit your heli its always your fault. sorry but thats the truth!

[brovic777]

for the record thats BS. we all would like to blame a crash on anything but ourselves but the reality is, if you assembled it wrong it will crash, if you dumb thumb it will crash, if it had Rx interferance then dont ever fly it. bottom line is unless a meteor fell from the sky and hit your heli its always your fault. sorry but thats the truth!

No, your BS Airboss. You know it was my very first flight on the Mars 480 dude with a new Scorpion ESC. You were right there next to me when it happened dude. Whats your trip man?

After the radio glitch, I installed a SportBEC, and never had the problem again.

As a matter of fact, you've have a few ESC cutout too. So, what you shouldn't fly either then bro? Cummon.

[Airboss]

esc cutout isnt what causes the heli to loose control. but if your bec is having problems then it should be returned or replaced. and i was close to where that heli crashed and it got behind you with the sun in your eyes and you lost it then hit the hold, good try saving it though. that day had terrible glare and it was hard to see the helis , do you think i would blame you for having a bad esc or Tx, YES. if its had a crash it may not be any good, and its your job to fix it or at least hover it for a full run before getting crazy. I banged 2 logos and my N9 in the same weekend, i couldnt figure out what to blame it on so now its your fault !!JK. shiz happens .

[brovic777]

I guess there no use arguing with you guys. The same people just keep coming back trolling our SCHC Thread. Its been the same dumb game for over a year now. Most of the SCHC guys are tired of it and thought we had a good and friendly place to post here on Helifreak. But now we know its not so.

[brovic777]

esc cutout isnt what causes the heli to loose control. but if your bec is having problems then it should be returned or replaced. and i was close to where that heli crashed and it got behind you with the sun in your eyes and you lost it then hit the hold, good try saving it though. that day had terrible glare and it was hard to see the helis , do you think i would blame you for having a bad esc or Tx, YES. if its had a crash it may not be any good, and its your job to fix it or at least hover it for a full run before getting crazy. I banged 2 logos and my N9 in the same weekend, i couldnt figure out what to blame it on so now its your fault !!JK. shiz happens .

What the hell??? Your straight lying Airboss. I cannot believe you dude. You were right there dude and everybody saw my heli just keep drifting to the left with no control.

Dang dude, I thought you were a bigger person than this, but straight out lying now Airboss. Thats not cool man.

[geneween]

I guess there no use arguing with you guys. The same people just keep coming back trolling our SCHC Thread. Its been the same dumb game for over a year now. Most of the SCHC guys are tired of it and thought we had a good and friendly place to post here on Helifreak. But now we know its not so.

Victor,

Over the past year the only common thing between RCG, RR and HF is the amount of drama your posts bring to the SCHC threads. the people your are now bashing are very respected people and I would seriously think about putting your coments in check. RCG and RR I kinda understand but to put the HF guys in that same boat goes pretty much against the grain.

your flying has improved over the past year but in no way makes you an expert. So taking nothing from you but you really should try to take a more humble approach.

Your videos are a plus to the entire Heli community but it's also the reason you catch so much flack. If you film yourself and post it in public you have there by opened youself up to comments good or bad. I have watched all you posted videos and to me they show a marked level of improvment, but by no means show a level of control that would make me feel comfortable turning my back on you while your in the air. Even in the video you just posted. You buzzed yourself (within feet) at least once and on more than on occasion I have seen your heli go over your head and lets no mention the video that really made you famous, the one at Suzuki filed where people were running, hiding behind trees and you nearly took you wifes head off. IMO that's where your problems all stem from. The burdon of proof lays square on your shoulder because you choose to post your videos.

As for safty, I make sure every Heli I take to a place with people have been either been tested prior to taking flight or do a test flight when no one is on the field and make sure anyone near me knows I'm testing something out.

If you read the fourms which I know you do, NEVER RUN THE SPEKTRUM RECIVERS WITHOUT A KNOWN WORKING BEC WITH A FULLY CHARGED BATTERY. I have been flying Spektrum since my modded optic6 with a DX6 TX section (Moosemanty has it now) and I have never lost a heli from loss of signal. Well over 20 helis...I have crashed many helis and replaced bad RX's from the crash but I have never put a heli into the air I was not sure would keep the signal clean.

In short, no one is keeping you from posting but it does show the level of respect you have towards people who don't agree with you. But from the two people giving you the opinions I would side with them over you every time.

You have to earn respect to get respect.

Geneween

[Airboss]

******,we are not trolls, make us all beleivers and post some smooth slow flying. we are just trying to help as geneween says. i am not a basher infact i have helped many more people than i can count. but always stay away from subjects and things that are beyond my ability. i can understand that you may be a bit stressed with a new baby coming, I was , but dont get defensive when we try to help you . listen and learn. cant we all just get along here?
jim

[eggmcmuffinplz]

Alright, This has gone too far. Its going to end in no one talking to eachother. Oh, I say, Mitch, come back and lets all be the happy SCHC club we used to be:hug: Were turining in circles and it has to stop.

[emag remrofni]

Alright, This has gone too far. Its going to end in no one talking to eachother. Oh, I say, Mitch, come back and lets all be the happy SCHC club we used to be:hug: Were turining in circles and it has to stop.

Nice advice Scott, but if you give that same advice to arguing 5 year olds it won't make a difference. Same theory applys here:roll: Listen, Vic, for the sake of getting everyone off your back, I'd just do the video. Airboss isn't a troll, none of these guys are. They're just skeptical because of all of the excuses.

[eggmcmuffinplz]

I WILL post this a thousand times if I have to>

Alright, This has gone too far. Its going to end in no one talking to eachother. Oh, I say, Mitch, come back and lets all be the happy SCHC club we used to be:hug: Were turining in circles and it has to stop.

[Airboss]

hey guys I will back out of your thred . PEACE

[eggmcmuffinplz]

SCHC has now officially broken up:bawl:bawl:bawl

[Lota Fun R]

Man, no use posting anything anymore on this SCHC Thread cause its all drama no matter any what is said or posted.


I'll try to keep this brief.


Vic: YOU pretty much started this whole thing.

Mike pm'ed me and asked me to take a look here and so I have.

YOU claimed that everyone didn't want me around, only one person spoke up and he has since changed his opinion. So that makes ZERO people who support you.

Of the people that matter, none of them have backed you.

I'm here to stay and YOUR OPINION DOES NOT MATTER!

You disrespected me and got what you deserved and then got all butt hurt about it and went on a character assassination mission. Try taking some responsibility for your own actions.

You have been the topic of many discussions about your behavior on-line and how it reflects badly on the SCHC group as a whole.

If you want to further discuss the incident where you got butt hurt, PM me and take it off the public forum, which is what you should of done in the first place. I will try to help you understand but I can't promise you will.

I will tell you this Vic, YOU owe the whole group an apology and a promise to never do this again.

I will NOT reply to you about any of this on-line, so PM me if you have something to say.

[moosemanty]

Alright, This has gone too far. Its going to end in no one talking to eachother. Oh, I say, Mitch, come back and lets all be the happy SCHC club we used to be:hug: Were turining in circles and it has to stop.

lol... i have tried this approach with the past forums and it never does any good :(
hahaha... this is funny.... it seems that the youngest members here are the most mature............sad if you ask me... all the "responsible" adults here are just acting like pussies.. :FThat

you guys really need some ego control.... this really is just a power trip....

i have lost respect for over 50% of SCHC...... a very select few would be labled as 'mature' in my mind...
some of these include jason, tim, mike, scott, eddie (where ever he is?), gene, sean, long, and there are probably more.. but all you guys that sit here and battle (not just talking about this incident) should just calm down!!!!

and VICTOR-------- just make the video! i have seen you fly in control, i know you can do it, so do it!.. i mean, i know the basics are boring, but it seems well worth it to do something boring for like 4 minutes to gain respect...



damn.... i was going to post up some vids of me flying but you guys would probably just pick at it and degrade the video and me to nothing...

sad you guys.....sad....:(

[emag remrofni]

lol... i have tried this approach with the past forums and it never does any good :(
hahaha... this is funny.... it seems that the youngest members here are the most mature............sad if you ask me... all the "responsible" adults here are just acting like pussies.. :FThat

you guys really need some ego control.... this really is just a power trip....

i have lost respect for over 50% of SCHC...... a very select few would be labled as 'mature' in my mind...
some of these include jason, tim, mike, scott, eddie (where ever he is?), gene, sean, long, and there are probably more.. but all you guys that sit here and battle (not just talking about this incident) should just calm down!!!!

and VICTOR-------- just make the video! i have seen you fly in control, i know you can do it, so do it!.. i mean, i know the basics are boring, but it seems well worth it to do something boring for like 4 minutes just to gain respect...



damn.... i was going to post up some vids of me flying but you guys would probably just pick at it and degrade the video and me to nothing...

sad you guys.....sad....:(


Yep, I couldn't have said it better. For the moment you can join me and Mike and a few other guys here http://helifreak.com/showthread.php?p=538871#post538871