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vincentp

03-17-2008, 06:28 PM

Hi All

I've been trying to identify the white socket on the 2.4G board, looks like it might be a Molex PicoBlade 1.25mm. I'm hoping the socket can be used to program the eeprom.

http://www.mouser.com/catalog/629/1182.pdf

Vince.

sinver

03-17-2008, 09:33 PM

vincentp

03-17-2008, 09:36 PM

Hi,

to program the eeprom one must unsolded

I put photos but back on this

regards
Yes, I saw that, but I'm hoping there is a way to do it without removing the eeprom. That connector must be there for a reason, I'd guess that it's what futaba use to program the modules themselves.

Vince.

vincentp

03-17-2008, 09:41 PM

Hi,

to program the eeprom one must unsolded

I put photos but back on this

regards
Did you figure out where the region code is in the 2.4G eeprom?

sinver

03-18-2008, 06:32 AM

Yes, I saw that, but I'm hoping there is a way to do it without removing the eeprom. That connector must be there for a reason, I'd guess that it's what futaba use to program the modules themselves.

Vince.

OK, yes but this white connector It is not connected physically to the eeprom

The eeprom is directly connected to the microprocessor and when you read it gives some different values from when it is unsolded

regards

sinver

03-18-2008, 06:39 AM

Did you figure out where the region code is in the 2.4G eeprom?

No.

I do not see the relationship

regards

arocholl

04-08-2008, 06:21 PM

Hi there, I have access to a 14MZ module and wanted to use it as a separated transmitter module for a DIY project. Does anyone know the full pinout of these new Futaba modules and the exact protocol to communicate with it? such as change the frequency and modulation (PPM - PCM) on the fly?

Thanks in advance

willfrance

05-01-2008, 05:32 AM

To all

I am thinking in manufacturing a few eeprom programers

Should you be interrested, please let me know

Will

willfrance

05-04-2008, 10:38 AM

I have found something interresting for people from Europe and elsewhere

if you have a 41 MHz module ( bytes 1 & 9 : 05 ) or a 40 MHz module ( bytes 1 & 9 : 04 ) you can make your module running both 40 AND 41 by replacing those bytes by value 08 ! )

This is the original setting from manufacturer

Remklep

05-07-2008, 05:34 PM

Tomas Ahl

05-07-2008, 06:43 PM

sinver

05-08-2008, 02:57 AM

hmm, very interesting stuff.
Great work guys.
I am thinking of buying a 14MZ in the Netherlands (35Mhz) and would like to be able to use an American 2.4 TM-14 module because of the higher output power.
But I would like to be able to still use 35Mhz.

What do I need to modify?

thanks.
Remklep

Hi,

I want to make an explanation with respect to what I wrote before with respect to the power of the modules TM - 14 of 2.4Ghz , since I have contacted with the SAT of Futaba USA and they have confirmed me that the emission power for the modules TM-14 in 2.4Ghz of USA is of 100mW

Best regards !!!

Krycek

05-08-2008, 01:03 PM

Remklep

05-08-2008, 05:42 PM

Remklep,

Are you really sure about that? Doing that will possibly void any insurance you thought you had, something that might cost you dearly if anything bad happens for pretty much whatever reason. And it may also mean violating laws if you care about such things.

No offense meant, just a few thoughts.

Hi Thomas,
I was under the impression this thread was started for just that purpose, so people could use whatever module with their transmitter.
I'd rather have the extra ease of mind that the higher output of my transmitter will enable me to keep control than to cause damage when it all goes wrong.

Hi,

I want to make an explanation with respect to what I wrote before with respect to the power of the modules TM - 14 of 2.4Ghz , since I have contacted with the SAT of Futaba USA and they have confirmed me that the emission power for the modules TM-14 in 2.4Ghz of USA is of 100mW

Best regards !!!

Hi Sinver,
I thought the Americans were getting up to 1W from their 2.4GHz systems, we in Europe are only allowed a max of 100mW.

Remklep

Tomas Ahl

05-08-2008, 06:23 PM

Remklep,

I was under the impression this thread was started for just that purpose, so people could use whatever module with their transmitter. I think there are all kinds of different reasons behind posts in this thread. From those that are just interested in knowing how the region coding is implemented from a technical standpoint to people wanting a solution to be able to use components with clashing region codes, for example due to the same reasons that you have. And other reasons entirely.

I'd rather have the extra ease of mind that the higher output of my transmitter will enable me to keep control than to cause damage when it all goes wrong. That's also a kind of "peace of mind" to seek. If it is of primary concern to you by all means go for it. I just wanted to point out about possibly voiding insurances etc in case it had been forgotten. After all it is part of the complete picture, but when we dive into the technical details sometimes we forget about these issues.

Remklep

05-08-2008, 06:32 PM

Remklep,

I think there are all kinds of different reasons behind posts in this thread. From those that are just interested in knowing how the region coding is implemented from a technical standpoint to people wanting a solution to be able to use components with clashing region codes, for example due to the same reasons that you have. And other reasons entirely.

That's also a kind of "peace of mind" to seek. If it is of primary concern to you by all means go for it. I just wanted to point out about possibly voiding insurances etc in case it had been forgotten. After all it is part of the complete picture, but when we dive into the technical details sometimes we forget about these issues.

True, true, you are right, not everyone fully realizes the consequences when violating the local rules, especially when an accident happens and it is found your equipement is not certified for use, you will have to pay in full.

Remklep

MZFAN

05-08-2008, 07:53 PM

Hi,
I own a FX-30 2,4 GHz distibuted form Robbe Germany and I bought a 35 MHz module from a T14 distributed from Ripmax UK. These parts do not work together. Does anybody know if changing the area-code as written above would help

Best regards,
Hello,
I am not sure about FX30, but modules for FX 40 are different than thoses for 14MZ, 12Z and 12FG, at least in the eeprom coding. There is one byte at value 1 for Fx 40 that is at 0 for others. About hardware I don't know. If you change this byte it should work.
Area is probably identical for both (Europa).

sinver

05-09-2008, 05:37 AM

Hi Sinver,
I thought the Americans were getting up to 1W from their 2.4GHz systems, we in Europe are only allowed a max of 100mW.

Remklep

HI, read this e-mail:

Thank you for your recent e-mail.

We only have information on the TM-14 modules that are sold in the US. Those are regulated by the FCC to 100 mW.

Sincerely,
John G.
Product Support Lead Technician
Futaba Programming Technician
Great Planes Model Distributors
www.realflight.com (http://www.realflight.com/)
NO AUTORESPONDER

>>> "Sinvertronic Technologies" <sinvertronic@telefonica.net> 3/24/2008 7:13 PM >>>
Hello ,

please, two question more:

1- The power of trasmission of the TM-14 Module of USA region code is the same of the modules for Hong Kong , Europe, UK, etc ?

2- All region codes operate to 100mW in 2.4Ghz ?

Thankyou very much for your time

Best Regards !!!

Krycek

05-09-2008, 07:38 AM

Hello,
I am not sure about FX30, but modules for FX 40 are different than thoses for 14MZ, 12Z and 12FG, at least in the eeprom coding. There is one byte at value 1 for Fx 40 that is at 0 for others. About hardware I don't know. If you change this byte it should work.
Area is probably identical for both (Europa).

So my problem could be only the code for the type of radio?
Do you know where this byte is placed?

Best regards,

Remklep

05-09-2008, 08:31 AM

HI, read this e-mail:

Thank you for your recent e-mail.

We only have information on the TM-14 modules that are sold in the US. Those are regulated by the FCC to 100 mW.

Sincerely,
John G.
Product Support Lead Technician
Futaba Programming Technician
Great Planes Model Distributors
www.realflight.com (http://www.realflight.com/)
NO AUTORESPONDER

>>> "Sinvertronic Technologies" <sinvertronic@telefonica.net> 3/24/2008 7:13 PM >>>
Hello ,

please, two question more:

1- The power of trasmission of the TM-14 Module of USA region code is the same of the modules for Hong Kong , Europe, UK, etc ?

2- All region codes operate to 100mW in 2.4Ghz ?

Thankyou very much for your time

Best Regards !!!

Cool thanks for the info, this is what is posted on the Robbe website in Germany for the FX-30 which uses the TM-14:

The FX-30: a new low-profile computer transmitter for tray use, exploiting 2.4 GHz FASST technology. The FASST system is a Spread Spectrum system with Frequency Hopping (FHSS). For this reason it is permitted to broadcast a maximum output of 100 mW EIRP, giving it ample reserves even for large-scale model aircraft and jets.

So there is no difference between USA and Europe output power, I dont need to modify anything then, just buy here in europe. :)

Remklep

pilou2

05-09-2008, 10:50 AM

So my problem could be only the code for the type of radio?
Do you know where this byte is placed?

Best regards,
It was written on the file you can download at the beginning of this thread. It is on byte 3 and 11 starting to count from 0.

MZFAN

05-09-2008, 11:00 AM

It was written on the file you can download at the beginning of this thread. It is on byte 3 and 11 starting to count from 0.
Exact!
Krycek have a look at these bytes they should be 00. Try to change them to 01.
I hope it will work.

willfrance

05-10-2008, 03:21 AM

For the ones that have shown interrest, find some pics from my programer

sam.s.man

05-11-2008, 11:56 AM

Hi to all...,
My 12FG was converted from TAIWAN ('88') region to ASIA ('8A'). The original area code was 88 then I changed it to 8A. Yes, it works..but when I took away the '8' to make the area code either '08' or '0A' or any other area code with the leading '0', it does not work.

The reason why I need the area code without the MSB bit (80) is, I have a 2.4G module that only works with '0A' area code NOT '8A'...Funny, both are ASIA region code, but it doesn't work. The only different is, old & new format.

Any idea how to tackle this problem? Pls help...

MZFAN

05-11-2008, 10:28 PM

Hi,
The code you change in your standard module doesn't change anything in your radio and then has nothing to do with the fact your radio accept or not the 2.4GHz module.:roll:

As far as I know nobody has succeeded in changing area for 12FG nor 2.4GHz modules...:(
Your 12FG area must match your 2.4GHZ module area... Where is your 12FG coming from? You should be able to determine its area and at least one 0.. code should work for standard modules.