12FG, 12Z, 14MZ, FX40 module programming

[sam.s.man]

Hi,
The code you change in your standard module doesn't change anything in your radio and then has nothing to do with the fact your radio accept or not the 2.4GHz module.:roll:


The radio was bought from Taiwan, with the area code set to Taiwan region.(0x88). I did try to change the area code in the standard module to ALL 11 region (0x80 - 0x8A), and it works..I even took off the module then power it up, the target region is still there. But it doesn't work if I use 0x0? format..This radio only accepts 0x8? format...



As far as I know nobody has succeeded in changing area for 12FG nor 2.4GHz modules...:(
Your 12FG area must match your 2.4GHZ module area... Where is your 12FG coming from? You should be able to determine its area and at least one 0.. code should work for standard modules.

Yes, for it to work the region code must match. That's exactly what I want to do by changing the radio region code to match the 2.4G module, which is 0x0A..

This makes me think that the 2.4G modules are released with 2 type of region code format, maybe older version are with 0x0? and new with 0x8?..

[sam.s.man]

Now, you might ask, how can I tell the TM14 region code is 0x0A...
A friend of mine also own a 12FG. Funny thing is, his radio can accept both 0x0? & 0x8? region code format. The TM14 only works if the radio region code is set to 0x0A but not 0x8A. As for the standard module (MZ-FM), it works with either region code format...

[MZFAN]

Hi sam s man,
I think there is still a misunderstanding here... When you change your module (MZ-FM) code and set the frequency in your radio, the area is stores with the frequency in the model data. If you took off the module and start again your radio has kept memory of the last area used and even if you create a new model it will use this area.
It looks like the radio area is changed but it is not. If you insert another module of the same area but with code 0... it won't work (unless it is the original area code of the radio).

Example:
I have a 12FG area America but 72 MHz module from China area. To make it work together the module has to be 89 coded. After inserting this module and setting frequency of your model (because of the mismatched frequency message) you can remove it.
Then you create a new model and when you choose frequency, it will be 72 MHz China.
After that you want to use a 40 MHz China module with its original coded 09. Guess what happen?
Mismatched module message! and you can't change frequency. It is normal as the real radio area code is 01 even if it looked like it was change to 89 or 09 and the module is 09...
If you insert an american 72 MHz module coded 01 it will work.

The real radio area does not appear in the standard radio software. You can display it and change with FX40, 14MZ and 12Z using Futaba service menu. But with the 12FG, this service menu is not available...

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I have same problem, my 2.4g TM14 module is work with 14mz but not for 12fg,
I have knowledge to program MZ FM moduls, but seem 2.4 moduls is different ,
Already know need un solde 93c56 eerom to modify data, but still lack of enough infomation for the data.....
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[orcrest]

Hi all

This has been very interesting reading and I have a few questions.

Firstly some background: we can't get the TM-14 FASST module here in Australia at the moment so I have to source from overseas. I want to still be able to swap between 36MHz and 2.4GHz on my 12MZ until I can change all my receivers over ( I have 12 planes & 2 helis so it will take some time and dollars to do that!). I haven't bought a TM-14 yet until I work out whether I will be able to use it the way I want.

1. Is there an easy work around for my situation? I can reprogram the 12MZ for a different region easily but I still want 36MHz without having to change the region back and forth at the field.

2. I read either here or on another forum that it is possible to still use whatever module you have inserted after you get the "module mismatch" warning. I'm not sure whether that refers to having the 2.4GHz module inserted and getting the warning or having the FM module inserted and getting the warning. Does anyone know if this is true or have experience of it? And if so how do you do it?

Appreciate any help.

Cheers
Da Orc

[MZFAN]

Hi orcrest,
The only solution for you at this time is to change your 12Z area to the same area as where you buy (will buy) your TM-14 FASST module.
Then you have to program your 36MHz module with code area 83 to make it work what ever your radio area.
The first time you insert it you will have the "mismatched frequency" message. You just have you set frequency and it will be OK.:)

To answer your second question, When you have the "module mismatched" message you normaly can't change frequency and I don't know of any work around. If you do please let me know.;)

[orcrest]

MZFAN

Thankyou for your answer. I do not have the skills to build the eeprom programmer but I have found a few on ebay. Here are the links, I would appreciate your opinion if they are suitable.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Dual-Powered-Willem-Universal-EPROM-Programmer-27C256_W0QQitemZ200226076909QQihZ010QQcategoryZ150 4QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/24Cxx-93Cxx-and-25xxx-Serial-E-eprom-programmer_W0QQitemZ120262276316QQihZ002QQcategory Z105787QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Serial-E-eprom-Bus-SPI-EEPROM-Programmer-RS232-Cable_W0QQitemZ150248760357QQihZ005QQcategoryZ4660 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Thankyou
Da Orc

[pilou2]

I would say yes...

[MZFAN]

They all seem to be able to program a Microwire 93C46 EEPROM but normally the chip has to be removed and put directly on these boards...
But this could be avoid by using small wires with hard pin to connect module to the programmer, or something else.

[willfrance]

I have one programer for sale, if anyone is interrested, send a PM

[kajman]

I have one programer for sale, if anyone is interrested, send a PM
and I can verify that it's working correctly, at least with my 12FG.

Thanks willfrance and MZFAN for your support! I can now use my USA bought 12FG both with the USA 2.4Ghz band and the 41Mhz band in Europe. Just swapping the modules and setting the PPM parameter is wat it takes.

Once again Thanks a lot!

[ogosvil]

Hello!

This re programming work in 2.4 module?

thanks

bye

[willfrance]

as far as I know, ther is a chip inside that does not allow us to write the EEPROM

You have to connect wires directely on the EEPROM to write it

I recommand you to read earlier this thread

[willfrance]

We have tested that 08 code on T12 and T14, but it does ot work
This code only work on FX 40
Maybe someone have some more info about that

MZ FAN, I could make working my FX 40 ( 40/41 MHz ) module on my T14, by changing the 01 octet by 00 ( octet nbr 4 as I think I remember )
But I had to use 04 or 05 frequency code instead of 08

[MZFAN]

We have tested that 08 code on T12 and T14, but it does ot work
This code only work on FX 40
Maybe someone have some more info about that

MZ FAN, I could make working my FX 40 ( 40/41 MHz ) module on my T14, by changing the 01 octet by 00 ( octet nbr 4 as I think I remember )
But I had to use 04 or 05 frequency code instead of 08
Yes I have the same results... FX40 Area and Frequency tables are probably different (software difference).
I was wondering too if this code was working with Robbe radio only but it seems not.

[Mberu]

I have one programer for sale, if anyone is interrested, send a PM


Hello Will,

I well received the box for programming my T12Z.
It's a very nice manufacturing, Which works perfectly.:clappp
Thank you for the cable which is delivered with.

Regards :cheers

Michel

[M-SAX]

Hi guys!

Igot here from a search engine and subscribed. This thread is great :thumbup::thumbup: I found exatly what I was looking for!!

Well, up to my issue: I recently purchased a 12FG european area (35Mhz), but my problem is that I have 2 models with 72Mhz american band receivers. I still want to use those receivers and at the same time fit the supplied receiver on my new project. So, I found on the net a guy that sold me an american 72 Mhz module.
So, what i now have is:
§ EU 12FG tranny
§ EU 35Mhz module
§ US 72Mhz module

and my question is: what does it happen in I program the US 72Mhz module with 81 area code? Will I be able to swap US and EU modules according to the model I'm willing to fly? In other words, will the 12FG set automatically on the new area/band or do I have to make some settings in the model menu?

In any case, I will try all this on my own, this post is just to know from you what I should expect.

Thank you in advance!

M.

[raodrunner]

Hi guys.

T12FG stick center problem. :(:dontknow
- How to the calibation stick for center? :noteworthy

[M-SAX]

Hi guys!

I was surfing around and found a new firmware update for our T12FG trannies....
Just one doubt, the firmware release is 1.6 but the document reporting/describing the update and its new features is referred to rel 1.5.
The question is: what changes between 1.5 and 1.6? Hope it was just some bug-fixing...
And, do these upgrades affect somehow the compatibility between the radio and the TX module with re-programmed eprom as described in this thread?

[MrEmil]

Hi All,

I have got a question and that is if anyone could send me the T14 setup utility from rcfan because I can't access the site anymore.

[willfrance]

Yes, I can

[Murphy_AFPD]

Hello,

is there anything new about reprogramming the TM-14 2,4 GHz Module? Yesterday I have received a brand new T12FG from Japan with software realease 1.6. The area code in the 12FG Display is Japan. The TM-14 Module works without problems.

@MZFAN and sinver:
Should I open and unsolder the E2Prom and read the contens to compare to the USA TM-14 Module?

Regards

Manfred

[MZFAN]

Nothing new here.
If you are willing to risk unsoldering your eeprom it will be interesting to look at its program. But it is not sure at all this information will be usefull.
The eeprom might in fact be programmed through the microprocessor... No certitude here, only doubt... Choice is yours.

[t-rex3d]

Does anyone know how to calibrate the T12FG? Is there a calibration utility avaible?
Thanks a lot,
Gaël