Hurricane 550 vs T-rex600

[LyNiX]

lol kepler, me , trouble maker? :)

For the carbon frame, it's only more 50$ than the plastic frame....but ok, i'll take the plastic frame :)

[LyNiX]

And, what are the parts who broke more often?
Front Main Gear?
Shaft?
landing?
Tail Contorol Rod?


My next order on flying-hobby:

Tail Rotor Blade Set
Spindle Shafts Pack
Tail Contorol Rod
Pinion Gear Pack-16T
Tail Pullery Set
HP Front Main Gear(42T)
8mm One Way Gear Set
Futaba R146ip Micro Receiver(40MHz)
One Way Gear Shaft Set
Main Masta Pack
Flybar
Tail Output Shaft
Tail Boom
Tail Rotor Belt
Y - Series connection
CMAX- T Connector
CMAX-3Cell Balance Connector
Blade Support
Tail Hub Set
Canopy & Body Assembly
Hurricane-EP550 3D Combo (599$)
APLUS 3300mAh-22C 3S1P
Gaui-EP550 CF 550mm Blades

[viper66]

Wow 8s on the standard motor and 15 tooth pinion. Are you using the 42 tooth main or 61 tooth main? I tried 7s on the stock motor but got a bit freaked out when the motor temp reached 185 deg F so I went back to 6s.


42 front Main gear and 61 rear gear motor temp ok yes it gets a bit warm, what motor doesn't.

[concept1]

I have had my Hurricane for about 2 months now, It is absolutly nothing like a 450! and mine is basically bone stock other then I added the head button, rcp carbon 500mm blades, and last week I switched to the short boom, and added a longer raptor flybar. with the longer flybar this is really a very nice heli. not a monster but many steps above a 450!
I get about 6 minutes of fairly hard flying on a set of 2500 evo packs, I could get more but i also fly a set of 2170's and I just don't change my timer. compared to the Trex 600, yea the 600 is a wild machine but for the cost the Hurricane is very hard to beat. if you want a stick banging wild machine then it may not be the right choice. so far I have added $12-13 in upgrades and see no need for more! ($4 for short belt, and $3 for raptor flybar, $1.5 for short tail control rod and $4-5? head button ) I cut my long boom to take the short belt! I have only flown my Trex 450 once since I got the 550.

[digger60]

22 mins is BS, and that hurricane will come back to haunt you it is not even close to as good as a trex or logo,,you must do all kinds of upgrades just to get that junk off the ground! and if you use the stock grips you run the risk of injury, and the stock gears dont hold up to 3D.why waist time get a better heli from the start and have some resale value also.just try and sell a used GAUI.LOL

Are you having a bad day ? I have had no problem at all getting it off the ground as STOCK. Granted, it is not a Trex 600..Don't think it was ever ment to be. But then again, it does not come with the price tag of a 600.

This past weekend I was at a local club and had Jared Granzow (Awesume flyer) fly my stock hurricane. He commented that other than needing more headspeed, it flew well. This does not sound to me like a piece of Junk. I agree It was nothing like his Raptor 90 but then again, its not suppose to be.

As Bob said. It like comparing apples to oranges. But this is far from JUNK ! IMO I like it, and for the money it is a good deal. And hey, I can use my Trex 450 batteries !!!


Tom

[concept1]

if I were doing it again I would probably get the Z-power Z20 motor, it is just a slight step above the stock 850kv motor from what I have heard. So you can keep the flight times and still use the "cheap" packs but get a little more umph!! it should also still work very well with the stock gears and 50 amp esc. Maybe also just go ahead and get the align 75 esc. althought I really like my stock Gaui 50, just who knows I might decide later to go a different motor later. but for me if I had just a little more head speed it would be perfect.

[Finless]

Wow did this thread go all over the place!

What air boss didnt say is the reason I am not flying mine is I am waiting for a set of CF frames. Bottom line if you power this sucker up to 2500 HS as I have you keep eating gears and breaking auto clutch gears, etc The frames flex too much.

Stock or a tamed down 1100KV setup will do just fine. It's when you want to start pushing the thing around hard with a lot of power that there is trouble.

I am hoping the CF frames that are being worked on will solve the issues.

Also as to the stock grips. HELL YES get the metal ones if you are going to power this thing up past stock head speed! I dont care what Tom says I wont trust them with stiff CF blades and high head speeds. It is worth the safety ALONE in my opinion. The plastic grips are just too thin and even Aligns experience with thinner grips will tell you that is not a good thing.

Anyway so you all know that is where I am at. When i get my CF frames I will be back flying the thing.

Bob

[digger60]

Well I just ordered the new 1000 watt, 1100kv motor. I also ordered the align 75 ESC. Do you think I need to change out the 50 amp ESC with the 75 amp on this new motor ? Iam still using the 2 x FP 2170 Evo 25 Bats.

Tom

[Tom Viper]

Bob, I didn´t say you don´t need to upgrade the bladegrips if you are going 2500 rpm... I say for stock config, with the M1110 (KV1110) motor it isn´t needed. But for a Z30 monster, running 2500 rpm HS, you should defenitly get thoose metall shiny bits! Just to be on the safe side.

But a majority dosen´t run 2500 rpm. Just us crazy folks do. ;-)

[Tom Viper]

Well I just ordered the new 1000 watt, 1100kv motor. I also ordered the align 75 ESC. Do you think I need to change out the 50 amp ESC with the 75 amp on this new motor ? Iam still using the 2 x FP 2170 Evo 25 Bats.

Tom

No, you will be fine with the 50A ESC. What 1000W motor is that? Don´t you mean the 1500W Gaui motor?

[Raydee]

Wow did this thread go all over the place!

What air boss didnt say is the reason I am not flying mine is I am waiting for a set of CF frames. Bottom line if you power this sucker up to 2500 HS as I have you keep eating gears and breaking auto clutch gears, etc The frames flex too much.

Stock or a tamed down 1100KV setup will do just fine. It's when you want to start pushing the thing around hard with a lot of power that there is trouble.

I am hoping the CF frames that are being worked on will solve the issues.

Also as to the stock grips. HELL YES get the metal ones if you are going to power this thing up past stock head speed! I dont care what Tom says I wont trust them with stiff CF blades and high head speeds. It is worth the safety ALONE in my opinion. The plastic grips are just too thin and even Aligns experience with thinner grips will tell you that is not a good thing.

Anyway so you all know that is where I am at. When i get my CF frames I will be back flying the thing.

Bob

Bob did you try the frame stiffener from Readyheli yet? I have one on mine using the same power system as yours with Flightpower 30c 3200mah packs and after a bunch of flights with some 3D the frame stiffener seems to keep the frame stiff enough to keep my heli in the air. I was planning on selling it since I bought a Logo 500 3D but I think I will keep it now and have it along with the Logo. I really do like the way the Hurricane fly's.

[Finless]

Tom.. OK thanks for putting your post in..... I agree fully!
A local guy to me powered his up with plastic grips and he had a disaster! I have talked with him since then and the poor guy should have read the posts here and understood what stock could handle! Heck he didn't even have the upgraded motor mount! Needless to say he exploded his heli. I discussed with him fully his setup and he just didn't know about all the mods needed to power this heli up to what he wanted. BUT he understands that what he did was well beyond spec and thus understands he should have talked to me first. Oh and YES his grips failed which caused the disaster.

Raydee, after spending as much time as I have with this heli I am done with the plastic frames for the power I want. I know about the frame stiffener but for me at this point I want a different frame period! That doesn't mean I dont think the stiffener wont work but I just dont want to keep moding the plastic frame.

In the end I like to fly Ferrari's even though I cant fly like a Szabo etc... Performance is something I like. I don't believe the stock design can handle what I like but I know for sure Gaui will make frames and hop ups that will.

As I have always said... the heli has potential! Give it some time and as long as Gaui brings it... we will have a hot rod :)

Bob

[ukgroucho]

I'm getting hassled for a build thread for mine by a couple of other 'freaks but I've not really done much since receiving the 'main' parts...

Right now my Kontronik Jazz 55-16-30 is on a TBD for delivery to modelflight (where I ordered it). If the fog over availability does not clear then I need to change to a different ESC (and separate BEC) route...

GAUI CF frame and full CNC headset... I ordered this a day before Charley posted that he's making progress with the Rotorworkz version. I have 3 Rotorworkz Trexes so I'll probably go that way in future but for now this is still a LOWish COST HV experiment.

The setup will be
- frame and head as above.
- Z-power Z30 800Kv
- RCP 500 CF blades... maybe this will pull the 550s but not heading that way until I have some solid FDR data from the Eagletree.
- RevCo main gears and pinion.
- 401/9254 with Align voltage stepdown.
- DX7, AR7000, DS821 servos on cyclic.
- Kontronik Jazz as above... this is a unit that will drive a built in 5 amp SBEC on 10S
- Yes 10S... 2x Hextronik 20-30C 2300 5C packs.

These last items are the experimental part... at around $100 A PAIR they represent a very low cost way to get a HV rig with lots of performance potential. I don't plan to run 'at potential' - I plan to run the kinda headspeed that folks on 6S are fighting to maintain (probably 2300 - 2400) but should (SHOULD) get cool packs / motor and reasonable flight times.

I looked at doing a 600 with 8S / 10S ... the pack prices are something to behold....

[digger60]

No, you will be fine with the 50A ESC. What 1000W motor is that? Don´t you mean the 1500W Gaui motor?


Its the H/18/11H 1000 Watt 1100 Kv motor. Will the 50 esc work ?

Its the first one listed on readyheli's upgrade page for the gaui.

Tom

[LyNiX]

Thanks for all this answer, but the last problem is for the fly time.

I just want to know if there is sufficient space for fly with battery 6S1P Aplus 4500mah 25C on the hurricane?

If yes, i buy the hurricane, with CF frame (yes Kepler :p) because, first, i like carbone, second, in the carbon combo I have carbon blade and 80ESC... for only more $49! (49$ it's the price of the carbon blade)

So, please just answer me if I can fly with 6s1p 4500mah! :)

[kgfly]

What are the dimensions and weight of that battery ? I doubt you could get it to balance on the plastic frame but maybe with the new battery mount on the CF frame you might be able to ?

[LyNiX]

I doubt you could get it to balance on the plastic frame but maybe with the new battery mount on the CF frame you might be able to ?

Yes, on flying-hobby we can read there is a new battery mount with "More space for different battery option" on the CF frame

Size of the 6s1P 4000mah battery:
158 x 42 x 47 mm



And this is my order:

Hurricane EP550 PRO 3D Combo ( I asked for 850KV motor and 550mm carbon blade)
$648.00
Futaba R146ip Micro Receiver(40MHz)
$59.00
Y - Series connection
$3.90
CMAX- T Connector
$3.50
Main Grip Set
$4.94
8mm One Way Gear Shaft Set ( L43 )
$3.80
Washout Guide Assembly
$2.46
HP Front Main Gear(42T) (with 16T pinion and 850KV motor = 2127 HS)
$3.21
Pinion Gear Pack-14T
$5.50
Pinion Gear Pack-16T
$5.50
Front Pulley Set
$2.10
Pulley Shaft with Gear
$6.50
Tail Pullery Set
$2.10
Main Masta Pack
$6.18
Tail Contorol Rod
$2.20
Flybar
$3.70
Tail Output Shaft
$2.10
Spindle Shafts Pack
$4.07
Tail Rotor Belt
$8.15
Tail Boom
$4.94
Tail Rotor Blade Set
$6.18
Blade Support
$3.50
Canopy & Body Assembly
$12.33


Sub-Total=$803.86
Speed Post (FRANCE)=$75.00
Total=$878.86

I think all is ok...no? :p

[ukgroucho]

The other thing that you seem to get with the CF frame kit is a CNC seesaw cage for the flybar.. same thing you get with the CNC head kit. It's the full 'wrap around' unit like the Trex 450 uses....

[mbigby2]

Does anyone know where I can buy this frame w/o all the other crap? I already have blades and the flybar cage...

[LyNiX]

ukgroucho when you say: "CNC seesaw cage for the flybar"
are you talking about the CNC Main Rotor Yoke

?

[ukgroucho]

The CNC Stabiliser set
http://trex450.co.uk/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=121&products_id=2452

[LyNiX]

Thank you :)

[Pipefish]

Hello everybody,

I intend to make my Hurricane perform some aerial footages, mine is all stock (only my canopy is painted) :-)

On lipo or A123 wich one has more flight time? Where I can find my first cheap and reliable A123 packs?

I'll also use 2.4 GHz from XPs.

Regards.


Eliran "Pipefish" Miranda