Hurricane 550 vs T-rex600

[LyNiX]

Hi every all!

It's my first topic in english on helifreak, I'm French, please be nice ;)
So, I look for a new heli. I already have a T450SE but it's too small, i need a bigger heli for 3D flight.
T600 is too expensive for me, so I found this:
Hurricane 550 RTF with CNC head and 4x3s1p (http://cgi.ebay.fr/30-Size-Hurricane-550-RC-Hubschrauber-Combo-SUPER-bq_W0QQitemZ170145030643QQihZ007QQcategoryZ23639QQ cmdZViewItem)(in series=2x 6s1p )

For approx 900$ (shipping included)
So now I just want to know if Hurrican fly as well as the T-rex 600.

I seen the administrator, Finless, have the both, can you tell us the difference between these big eletric heli?

Thank you!
LyNiX from Bordeaux!

[Finless]

They are very different helis and thus that is a apples and oranges comparison really.... However if I had to pick ONE and only one I would go with the 600. IT is more reliable in my opinion and can take more punishment.

Bob

[Airboss]

there is no comparison , trex is bad a$$ and if your looking at 500s then get the logo 500 3D.i have both trex and logo and now its hard to pick a favorite.

[LyNiX]

Thanks for yours answers guys!

So for you the T-REx is better.
But the price is different :)
And for how long I will be able to fly with two 3s1p 2200mah in series with the hurricane? (no 3D flight)

On flying-hobby.com I can have a T-REX 600 alu (advanced combo) with BC6 charger/balancer LIPO and receiver for 950$
And a hurricane with same charger and receiver for 800$
The choice is difficult, because after, the price of crash are lower on the hurricane.

Pls help :p

[Automan]

Get a Hurry, it is a really good heli. I have both and wouldnt part with any of them, no way. I just love them both. Sure the T600 is kinda a beast... but then the Hurry is wild little rascal ;)

I cant say anyting really bad about either one, they are both fun and well designed and will serve you well. I started out with my first ever heli and that was the Hurry, but then right after i got the T600 also.

If you are worried about the price of lipos, and spare parts etc, then i would definitly start out with the Hurry, you wont be dissapointed.

[LyNiX]

Thanks for your answer Automan.

But just one thing,how long I will be able to fly with two 3s1p 2200mah in series with the hurricane? (no 3D flight)?

Thanks a lot!
Regards,
Jerome.

[Automan]

No problems. I would guess with 2200mah and easy flying around... aprox 5min, maybe a minute more or so max. I would recomend in first flight to set the timer for 3-4min max, and charge them and see how much you are putting back in the lipos, and do that until you get close to max 80% discharged lipos after flight.

And one thing to think about, the lipos wont perform 100% until after you run them 4-5times... but you seam to know some as it's not your first heli :wink:
You should run 20-30c lipos on this heli, cause if you go lower they may get warm.. maybe to warm and be damaged.

It is a really fun heli, and i really can say only good things about it. The Hurry 550 now has a good range of nice upgrades if you want, and as said before lipos wont be to much $$$, it's a cost friendly heli with some real good performance.... but as with everything, it will be better with stronger motor and esc etc etc.
Trex 600 is cool... but that beast feeling comes with a higher pricetag on everything.

Hope i have been some help. Look at some videos on both and think about cost of each, and good luck.

I would also really recommend looking at Finless build-videos on the two helis, and listen to his comments etc. I have allot to thank Bob for, i have learned so much watching his videos and listen to his advices, he is great :thumbup:
And not to forget all the rest in here that are very helpful, it's a really good working forum with loads of great information.

[LyNiX]

Thx automan!
So five minutes it's very...bad :(
But on rcgroups , if I understood, someone said he flew 22min with a 5s1p 4400mah...strange....
(Tom Viper here (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=607690&page=3))

So , if i take the hurricane, I'll take this combo:
http://flying-hobby.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=3_30_36&products_id=1825

650$ for CF blade, CF frame, 1100 kv for motor and 80 for controller.
And we can read: "More space for different battery option" so, maybe I'll be able to fly with 5s or 6s lipo battery, later....for have more fly time!

And for the build video they are very helpful for newbie like me (even if Finless has an accent , so it's difficult to understand some sentence :D)

Thanks again, I'll tell you wich heli I'll choice....I promise :)

Sorry for my bad english...

[Airboss]

22 mins is BS, and that hurricane will come back to haunt you it is not even close to as good as a trex or logo,,you must do all kinds of upgrades just to get that junk off the ground! and if you use the stock grips you run the risk of injury, and the stock gears dont hold up to 3D.why waist time get a better heli from the start and have some resale value also.just try and sell a used GAUI.LOL

[hommer75]

Thx automan!
So five minutes it's very...bad :(
....
So , if i take the hurricane, I'll take this combo:
http://flying-hobby.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=3_30_36&products_id=1825
650$ for CF blade, CF frame, 1100 kv for motor and 80 for controller.


5 mins on 2200mAh batteries is about right on the stock engine (850kV). But with that combo you're not gona get to 5 minutes, the 1000kV engine is much more power hungry. I doubt you'll even get 3 minutes on that engine with 2200mAh batteries.

[tornet999]

I am using the GAI 1100 kv motor which is more poweful than the 990 kv variant that you are mentioning. I can fly my Hurricane 8 minutes with low head speed with 2x3s 2200 lipos, perfect for hovering and slow flying. Of course this is only fun in the begining, now with trottle curve set to 70% I am down to 5 minutes, but that is for light 3D and FFF.

With my 5s 3700 I have been flying 14 minutes with low head speed and 8 minutes with 80% trottle. I am very happy with the 8 minutes I get, enought power for real fun (for me at least).

[kgfly]

Well I don't have either but have been studying both and you asked for opinions so here are mine.

The T600 is proven as a high performance and generally reliable 50-size eHeli with very affordable parts. The H550 is emerging as a popular low-cost 30-size eHeli with even more affordable parts (about the same cost as T450 parts).

Both are so much bigger than a T450 that they make a huge difference to the flying experience. Much easier to see, generally more stable and easier to fly. However the H550 disk loading is similar to the T450 and so balloons in wind in a similar fashion, unlike the T600 which with its heavier disk loading just sits there.

The H550 is newer and still evolving but IMO it looks like most of the early problems have been worked out. Anyone who has seen the videos of expert 3D pilots whirling around the sky with the H550 knows that with the right setup it is capable of more than most can aspire to achieve. As you have said several times "no 3D' and the worst problems with the H550 related to folks trying to run massively upgraded power systems to get extreme performance that further indicates that maybe the H550 will suit you. There is an interesting thread here about H550 being flown by beginners and sport pilots, you should read it: http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=40817

One of the biggest differences between the T600 and the H550 is the cost of batteries and chargers.

The T600 in stock form of course needs large 6s lipos and a high power charger to go with them. You still only get 5 to 7 minutes flying time but having three flight packs to make a visit to the field fun will cost $750 to $1000 and you can easily write off a $250 pack in a single crash. It's also common to find that the 6s power-train is so stressful on the batteries that they simply do not last long. Really an 8s lipo setup is much better for a T600 but that means moving to HV motor and ESC so adds more to the cost.

The H550 can be flown, especially for a mild style, on 2 x 3s2200 packs. With that approach 3 flight packs costs anywhere from $200 to $500. These can be charged with a couple of CellPro4s for only $150. However, many folks are finding that alternative battery setups work better, something like 2x3s2500=6s or 5s3300 or even 2x4s1800=8s. That raises the cost but still not into the same territory as 6s to 8s for the T600.

Using A123 batteries is an option for either of these helis. A minimum of 10s (about $130) on the T600 or 7s (about $90) on the H550. These will give you reasonable sport performance but shorter flights. However at the price you can afford more packs and since they can be charged hot off the heli at 4C, cycle them faster.

If you can afford the heli+batteries+chargers for the T600 then I think you will be very happy with it indeed. If you are on a more restricted budget and are not looking for the ultimate performance machine, then the H550 could be a better choice.

Happy shopping :)

[Automan]

LyNIX, you must understand that you wont even get close to the time on your 450se with a Hurry 550 (with around the same kind of setup), that is due to the size and weight.... and that is even worse on the T600 where you get about the same time with twice the mah, think about that.
I dont think the time will be as low as 3min, but to be sure is to set the timer at a safe time, say 3min to start... or even 2,5min to be safe, then see how much you put back and go from there.

These Hurry 550 and T600 feels incredible to fly compared to a small 450, the powerful sound of the rotors, the more heavy and very stable flying... the force going trough the air into your body when that heli moves around, it's just such a cool massive feeling.

Just remember that bigger = more money, but if you ask me it is really worth it. I think those 450 etc looks real cute, and are probably also fun to build and adjust etc, but i dont like the feeling of flying one... they just lack that feeling i want, the scale like feeling, and they are just to sensetive to wind etc for me anyways.

Look at the size compare Finless did, the Hurry550 aint that small compared to the T600 ;)

Edit: I must admit that the absolute best performer and higher quality is the T600, but that will bring you a much higher cost in kit and upgrades and the highest cost is the lipos, but if you can afford that it will be a amazing feeling.
But as i said, with the Hurry550 you get allot for the money you spend on it, much more cos effective and around the same massive feeling as T600.

[Airboss]

finnless spent lots of time and energy to get this heli in working order , dont be fooled i was there, today it sees no flight time even though it has been modified.that tells me lots about the heli. if it was so good he would still fly it.it has become a burden .

[Raydee]

finnless spent lots of time and energy to get this heli in working order , dont be fooled i was there, today it sees no flight time even though it has been modified.that tells me lots about the heli. if it was so good he would still fly it.it has become a burden .

Yeah that bothered me a lot too. I saw Finless praising the heli for a bit and then heard nothing. I have to admit that my 550 runs really good and I have some of the main upgrades that the heli needed but I am sure I don't have the flight time that Bob has on his either. I am still on the same set of OK gears that show no wear and due to others posted problems I think I have been able to fix the problems before they showed up.

All I know is I will have a Logo 500 3D here on Thursday to compare it to ;)

[RBOSCO]

Dont waist time with 2 x 2200's.... use 2 x 3200's (evo 30c) only 3.5 mins but ROCKIN

[Kepler]

finnless spent lots of time and energy to get this heli in working order , dont be fooled i was there, today it sees no flight time even though it has been modified.that tells me lots about the heli. if it was so good he would still fly it.it has become a burden .

OK, so I think we have figured out that dont like the Hurri and that’s fair enough but I am tipping you are mainly interested in crazy 3D and maybe this is not the model to choose if that is your thing. But to suggest the Heli has become a burden seems very sort sited and in fact a little insulting to people who own and enjoy this model.

I agree that the model suits larger 3C packs and needs a few minor mods to keep it reliable but the mods are cheap and easy to do. Just replace the engine mount and output shaft, install the CNC elevator lever and your in business for a grand total of around extra $40 bucks. What's the big deal with that? Now throw in the 1110 motor and 75 A ESC plus a set of revco gears for a bit off added safety and you have a rocketship. 1500 watts of power in a model weighing 2200 grams (using 3700mah packs). How good is that?.

So what power setup would give an equal power to weight ratio in a 600rex? I’m tipping a HV setup that pushes the price up to yet another league.

Replaced a set of side frames on Trex600 lately? There goes $145.00. How about on a Hurri550? A big $20.00 outlay and jobs done.

Personally I am quite satisfied with the Hurricaine and happy to live with the burden.

[sturebus]

I have tested Trex 600 and the H550, the 600 is much, much more heli, H550 felt like a stretched rex 450 in the air compared to the 600.

[TomC]

Last weekend I test flew a Hurry550 at our field for a newbie. It had all the mods (metal head, motor mount, and 1100 motor 75 esc). Even with 2x2100 20-30C trex450 batteries it flew very well.

We used a set of my Swift 16 520mm woodies and these worked very well, probably better than on my Swift. Still, does not compare to my HV 10s Trex600, but not far off imop, and certainly felt a lot bigger/better than a Trex450.

I was impressed and so were the other guys at our field.

Cheers,
Tom C

[Kepler]

Hey Tom, that’s a serious arsenal of E helis you have their. I agree that the 550 feels a whole lot bigger then a 450rex. I also have 10C 600 sized machine and a 450rex. I would say the 550 feels closer to 600 size machine then it does to the 450 sized machine by a long shot.

[viper66]

My Hurri is full metal head, standard long boom with raptor tail blade hub,
Castle HV 45 Esc Batteries 2x 4S kong power 2200 30c gyro Logitec 6100.
Standard Ok gears 500 carbon main blades, Motor stock with 15 tooth pinion,
Flyies more like a 600 nothing like my 450se.
I get about 6min 3d, spin's on one spot .
I also own 450se and 600 rex but fly the hurri can't explain it just feels better.

[Tom Viper]

22 mins is BS, and that hurricane will come back to haunt you it is not even close to as good as a trex or logo,,you must do all kinds of upgrades just to get that junk off the ground! and if you use the stock grips you run the risk of injury, and the stock gears dont hold up to 3D.why waist time get a better heli from the start and have some resale value also.just try and sell a used GAUI.LOL


Yes, get the Logo 500 and keep MELTING thoose main gears...really cheap to. The TREX 600, so you don´t need to upgrade it? Hmm.. lets talk about tail bladeholders, or main grips that crack, or auto bearings that lock up.

What upgrades are needed to get it off the ground? What are the problems with the stock grips? Have YOU had any problems with the Hurricane!?
Better to get a new brain, that could help...but that´s not on the heli...
I wonder if you have ever even seen a hurricane in real... BS...couln´t concur more.

Stock grips are fine, so are the new stock gears.

[LyNiX]

Thank you every all!

So the feeling with the hurricane are closer TREX 600 than TREX450, nice.. :)
I'll take the carbon frame but 850KV motor for better flight time! :)

[Kepler]

My Hurri is full metal head, standard long boom with raptor tail blade hub,
Castle HV 45 Esc Batteries 2x 4S kong power 2200 30c gyro Logitec 6100.
Standard Ok gears 500 carbon main blades, Motor stock with 15 tooth pinion,
Flyies more like a 600 nothing like my 450se.
I get about 6min 3d, spin's on one spot .
I also own 450se and 600 rex but fly the hurri can't explain it just feels better.

Wow 8s on the standard motor and 15 tooth pinion. Are you using the 42 tooth main or 61 tooth main? I tried 7s on the stock motor but got a bit freaked out when the motor temp reached 185 deg F so I went back to 6s.

[Kepler]

Thank you every all!

So the feeling with the hurricane are closer TREX 600 than TREX450, nice.. :)
I'll take the carbon frame but 850KV motor for better flight time! :)

Hey LyNiX, glad you managed to sift through all that (you trouble maker)

Seriously though, unless you are just into bling, forget the carbon frames and spend your money on good batteries or maybe carbon blades. I think this would be better money spent.