Motor for a 6003D ?

[Mercuriell]

Thought it time to wonder over from TREX land (for a holiday) and try Mikado - got a 6003D on the way so time to think motors.

The Mikado web site lists:

Hacker A50-16S 380kV
Actro 24-4 570kV
Tango 45-07 700kV
Pletenberg Orbit 30-12

All nice motors no doubt but all well priced and hard to find.

I'd like to run on 8S as I have packs already for these but can consider 10S if I must - the questions are?

Is 10S essential ?

Would a Neu or ZP motor fill the shoes of the above? - was thinking the Z50 800A (780kv) or the Neu 1910/1.5Y (680kv) - any fitting or power issues with these?

Thanks for any thoughts ....

[Eyon]

I think the hacker A50-14S 10 pole would be better than the A50-16S. Its what Andy Rummer uses on a 18T pinion.

Im going to go with a Plettenberg Orbit 30-12 when i get mine on 10s, as thats what was in my L14.

8s is possible, but you will have to have a slightly higher revving motor

[AndreasM]

While we're at it I thought I'd ask a similar question.
I'm getting 10S A123 packs, and am contemplating either a 500 3D or a 600 3D. In line with Mercuriell, does a 10S A123 (approx. 8S Lipo) have enough power for sports-flying in a 600 with 600 blades? Or should I choose a 500 3D with 550 blades instead? Motors I've been looking at are the Neu 1910 or 1912.
Any thoughts welcome.

/Andreas

[fogger]

Hi John,

I run the hacker A50-14s 10pole on 10s on my 600 and it's a good cheap option, but not too efficient. I would think the 16s will be even less efficient, so if the gearing exists try the 14s, 550kv. Or, maybe go with the tango 45-10 and at 8s it should spin at about it's max rpm. This might relegate you to using the mod .5 gears, but the kontronik's have nice strong shafts so you probably will not have to worry about gear stripping, assuming you use a metal motor mount...

-Fog

[LITHIUMSTATIC]

Mercuriell looks like me and you are on the same adventure. Mine is being shipped to me Today or Monday. It's going to be a fun one.

[OICU812]

Well imho of course 8S you would be better off with the 500 on 550s, you will get a ton more pop, I really do not feel it will be sufficient for a 600mm disc, unless you want to just tool around the sky and not slam it. I would have to try it myself to give a for sure answer but I know the Logo 14 was a pig on 8S with 600mm blades imho.

[Eyon]

Thats pretty interesting Shawn, chatting to Daniel Jetschin the other day, 6s on 600mm blades would outperform a Rex 600 with no problem. its all about getting motor/kv/pinion/cell count all right, then it will work!

Ian

[OICU812]

Well that is likely true to outperform the 600 rex, I am just real power hungry so I want it rippin'I guess, lol.

[LITHIUMSTATIC]

I'm leaning towards the NEU 1912H/1Y on 10s packs. I'm open to other options. I like Shawn am into making it beg for mercy.

I would think 8s would be a very nice sport flyer / 3D setup. 6s will work too but it's going to be a bit weak. I wouldn't get anything less than 8s and feel it's going to do very well and most likely a happy medium.

I'm sure Shawn is right about 8s being a beast on the 5003D.

[LITHIUMSTATIC]

Mercuriell I would look into the NEU 1910H/1Y it's 1050kv and in my opinion would be awesome on 8s.

[ozace]

John , i am going 10 a123 cells (8s lipo volts) in the L500 i have here. I am going to try a Z-30 800 first (tango 45-10 lter if needed). The L600 Vbar will be here monday and i will try a Z-50 800 also on 10 a123 or 12 cells if needed.

As i dont need gigawatts to fly i should be fine. My Trex 600/ E620 and Razor all perform very well for my needs on A123 10s bricks so i expect the logos will as well (probably better)

[Mercuriell]

Mercuriell I would look into the NEU 1910H/1Y it's 1050kv and in my opinion would be awesome on 8s.

Jeremy - I have a 1910H/1Y currently on my HFX 600 and you're right it is an awesome motor - I'm going to try a Z50 800A first and will then probably transplant the 1910 into the L600 when my Neu 1515/1.5Y gets back from hospital.

Shawn - having never seen a Logo in the flesh before what's the best 10S lipo configuration - a one off pack or two 5S or I was thinking of adding in a 2S to my FP 8S 3750s

Adam - look forward to the pics of how you fit the A123s into the Logo !

[OICU812]

As long as the mah amount is the same you can throw in a 2S with a 8S, but certainly do not mix match mah or you will wreck lipos. 5S x 2 or 10S1P stick no difference really other than you would have to tailor a series plug as well as consitent mounting method for good CG.

[Klinger]

Jeremy - I have a 1910H/1Y currently on my HFX 600 and you're right it is an awesome motor - I'm going to try a Z50 800A first and will then probably transplant the 1910 into the L600 when my Neu 1515/1.5Y gets back from hospital.

Shawn - having never seen a Logo in the flesh before what's the best 10S lipo configuration - a one off pack or two 5S or I was thinking of adding in a 2S to my FP 8S 3750s

Adam - look forward to the pics of how you fit the A123s into the Logo !


I'm thinking of trying a Neu 1915/1Y (684 kv) as its being donated to me for my 600 V-bar, (no not sponsored just lucky to have good friends). Whats anyones thoughts on this motor running on 10S, its sounds like it could be an animal. I've used Tango's and Actro's and like them both but this is my first Neu.

Russ

[NTM]

I'm running the 1915 1y on 10s flightpower 3700 25c packs in my logo 14.
It's incredibly powerful, but borderlines on being hard on packs.
Might be better on amp draw with the v-bar though.
Or on 12s.
Definitally my motor of choice for my 600 3d !

[LITHIUMSTATIC]

What do you guys think about a Tango 45-08 on a 10s Lipo? It has very simular specs as the NEU 1912H/1Y but about 100 grams less.

[Klinger]

I loved my old tango, very effiecient and cool running and i believe the 08 is a very good choice for a powerful 10S setup.

[LITHIUMSTATIC]

When I do my calclations using a 800 kv motor on 10s packs I'm coming up with really high headspeeds..... with a 17 tooth pinion I'm coming up with 2795? :thinking I'm open to suggestions as it looks like my original idea of a 1912H/1Y is out of the question.

[buster1]

Since I have the A50-14S laying around and hear good things about this motor in the 6003D - hearing some good reports from across the pond - I am going to run this motor in the 6003D Vbar when I can get my hands on one.

Jeff

[th3tick]

It looks like both the Neu 1915/1Y at 685KV and the Tango 45-06 at 640KV come out better on 10S than the ones in the ~800KV neighborhood.

John

[OICU812]

45-06 is not going to be a ball buster by any means, the 45-08 is going to be abit tall on kv as well. I feel myself the best range is going to be 540kv to 750 tops, this will utilize the 13-19tooth range and maintain a 10:1-12:1 ratio.

If you stay in that KV range you should be golden.

[th3tick]

45-06 is not going to be a ball buster by any means, the 45-08 is going to be abit tall on kv as well. I feel myself the best range is going to be 540kv to 750 tops, this will utilize the 13-19tooth range and maintain a 10:1-12:1 ratio.

If you stay in that KV range you should be golden.

I'm not sure what you mean by "45-06 is not going to be a ball buster by any means". Given the 45-06 is in the range you specify, I'm just confused as to what you mean.

John

[OICU812]

The 45-06 is not a grunt motor, not alot of tourque. I should explain by saying there is more to it than just kv. Tangos are awesome motors, do not get that wrong. But in comparison to either an Outrunner or an ORK they certainly are shy on sheer power.

[LITHIUMSTATIC]

Shawn, I was looking at the Actro motors today and was wondering if my CC85HV will work well with the 32-3 or the 24-4? What are the pros and cons between the two?

Thanks

[OICU812]

More winding on the 32-3 it is going to provide abit more power, the 32-3 is abit heavier as well as it is pyshically bigger. CC85 yes will work with both no problem at all Jeremy. There is no real con to either of those motors, both are in good kV range as well both are proven motors in the Logo 14 and will both work excellent in the L600.