Hurricane Motor / setup info!

[concept1]

Their are so many motor choices out now, and gearing choices I thought I would start a thread on nothing but Motors, gearing, Fight time, performance, for the new guys, or for those looking to change.
I would like to stick to facts only no discussion to make it simple, and lets keep it easy so we can make choices, so lets here from guys who are useing packs LESS THEN 3300 mah only, if you are using less then 3300 and also some over 3300 thats fine lets here those times compared. the power systems that work thread got filled with more discussion and it really ended, try to give a power comparison to something else we might be familiar with , like a Raptor, Trex 600 trex 450, or just stock 890motor......

here is my setup ALSO add Flying Style Description, just hoveing isn't the same as wild 3d or mild 3d, so Please add fight info

Plastic frame metal block and grips, short boom RCP 500 carbon blades, stock Gaui 50 amp esc

flights consist of loops rolls, flips tic-tocs, no hovering (mild 3d)

Stock 890 kv motor stock gearing Evo 2500 packs 7-7.5 minutes hot motor and a bit slower then my 450
RCP H/18 motor stock gearing, performance very good, flight time dropped to 4 minutes and packs hot
RCP h/18 motor Revco gearing 21t pinion flat 100% curve performance still great no bogging at all, 4.5 minutes and packs just warm This setup overall is retty close or betters most Raptor 50's

[exceljay]

I'm building new Hurricane 550 now

This is basic model with CNC head upgrade.
Motor : Century 600+
ESC : Phoenix HV85
BEC : Western robortic HBEC
Gearing : Stock OK Gear with 14T pinion
Battery : TP 3s 3300mah x2 or TP 6s 3300mah
Tail grip change with Raptor 50 Tail grip
Blade : 515mm Rotortech Carbon fiber blade.

so far I have all the part except ESC on repair. I'll post flight time and performance later

[ke6d]

My Hurricane is an XES kit. The motor is an H/18 motor on 13T pinion. ESC is an Align 75Amp.

I can fly for about 4:00 min (putting back 1600mA) on a pair of TP2200 Extreme V2. With a pair of FP3200 30C, I can fly for over 6:00 min. Headspeed is around 2000 rpm. I will get an accurate reading of headspeed, current, voltage charts from the Eagle Tree recorder once I finish breaking in the battery packs.

11/09/2007: Since I am still breaking in the packs right now, I don't want to do a lot of loops, rolls, stall turn, 540 turns yet. I did manage to pull a couples of big loops on my TP2200 EX v2 (3 charges!) the other day. The recorder indicated that I was pulling 58 Amps on those 2 loops! At the end of the 4 minute fly, my packs are slightly warm. I will fly and take some more data today and will post results.

A friend of mine who has a similar set up with a long boom, stock gearing, GAUI 50 Amp ESC, and 890kv motor. His fly time on a set of TP2200 EX packs is 5 minutes. He flies very similar to me, ie, loops, rolls, flips, stall turns, etc... I noticed that if he put in too many loops, and rolls in a flights, his battery packs got really hot. He puffed 2 set of 2200mA battery packs already. I believed the packs were puffed because he was pulling too many Amps in some maneuvers.


Dan, KE6D

[concept1]

Thanks Ke6d,
this is the info I was looking for, but could you edit your post and add, what your flight consists of "flying style" and if possible, can you cmpare performance to any "known" heli we would be aware of. you have about the same setup as mine with slightly different gearing, also for those loknig to use the smaller packs are your hot etc...

I would like to keep this post for Current flight info only, so we can see what motors produce what performance and flight times, hopefully we will get some good info and be able to compare power systems better. also if we know we get good performance from 2200 packs but ballistic from 3300 packs, it wil help those on battery choices as well.

i preffer not to hear from those who have not flown it yet! but if this is your first heli and all you do is hover in one spot lets hear how long you can hover on what packs.

After this note I will PM other posters to add more info if needed, just to keep the post more on the tech info

Thanks, keep the stats comming!

[wis1]

XES Pro SE
Metal Head
Motor : Stock 890, ok power for type of flying
ESC : Stock 50 amp
BEC : Separate Ni-Cad pack, Spektrum 4.8v
Gearing : Stock OK Gear with 15T pinion @85% throttle
Head Speed ?
Tail : Stock
Short boom
Trex 600 skids
Blade : 500mm RCP Carbon fiber blade.
FF,Sport no 3D
Air Thunder 2200 (2 sets-1set w/50 cycles, 1set w/15) 6:20 flight time (both sets )
put back apprx 1800
Kong Power 2200 w/10 cycles: starts to lose Head Speed @ 5:30
@ 5:45 put back 2000
all batteries slightly warm, motor gets pretty warm depending on outside temp
75 flights, no problems

[Mikej]

Wis - I've used your post as a starting point as my spec is so similar, though I get better flight times from my Kongs :nanabobo

Standard 550 kit
Plastic Head
Motor : Stock 850KV, ok power for type of flying
ESC : Stock 50 amp
BEC : Separate Ni-Cad pack + Bec (1000 mAH 2S)
Gearing : Stock OK Gear with 14T pinion @85% throttle
Head Speed ?
Tail : Stock
Short boom
Trex 600 skids
Blade : standard 500mm Wooden blade.
Lazy 8s, and gentle FF
Kong Power 2200 with 12 cycles: 8 minutes on timer - put back about 1800
A-plus 2200 with 11 cycles : 8 minutes on timer put back 1750
all batteries slightly warm, motor gets pretty warm depending on outside temp
25 flights, no problems

[ke6d]

My Hurricane is an XES kit. The motor is an H/18 motor on 13T pinion. ESC is an Align 75Amp.

I can fly for about 4:00 min (putting back 1600mA) on a pair of TP2200 Extreme V2. With a pair of FP3200 30C, I can fly for over 6:00 min. Headspeed is around 2000 rpm. I will get an accurate reading of headspeed, current, voltage charts from the Eagle Tree recorder once I finish breaking in the battery packs.

11/09/2007: Since I am still breaking in the packs right now, I don't want to do a lot of loops, rolls, stall turn, 540 turns yet. I did manage to pull a couples of big loops on my TP2200 EX v2 (3 charges!) the other day. The recorder indicated that I was pulling 58 Amps on those 2 loops! At the end of the 4 minute fly, my packs are slightly warm. I will fly and take some more data today and will post results.

Dan, KE6D

I just flew my Hurricane and took some more data with the Eagle Tree recorder. The headspeed is between 1800 to 1900 on the H/18 motor with a 13TH pinion and a throttle curve of 95, 92, 90, 92, 95. I was still breaking in the battery so just fly around on a lazy 8 pattern with some stall turn in between. Hovering is about 25 Amps. The 5 minute flight drains about 1800 mA out of the pack. I have to hook up 2 sensor wires to the motor wiring before motor rpm can be read correctly (that is why the headspeed on the graph show 2x of normal headspeed) Attached is the plot of the flight.

Dan, KE6D

[BL]

CF body kit with full metal head
Motor : Z-Power 30A 1100kv
ESC : Jeti Spin 66
BEC : Built-in ESC
Gearing : Stock OK Gear with 14T pinion @75%(Normal), 80%(Idle1) and 85%(Idle2)
Head Speed : 1750(Normal), 1900(Idle1) and 2100(Idle2)
Tail : Stock
Boom: Stock
Blade : 500mm Carbon fiber blade.
Pitch: +-11deg
FF, loops, flips, mild 3D.
Dualsky 2200mAhx2 4:30min flight time

Have not try setting the throttle to 90%~95% and pitch to 12~13deg but I think I will not take the risk for my batteries, don't think the 25C able to survise with it.

I will maintain this setup as the limit at the moment.

[ke6d]

I just flew my Hurricane and took some more data with the Eagle Tree recorder. The headspeed is between 1800 to 1900 on the H/18 motor with a 13TH pinion and a throttle curve of 95, 92, 90, 92, 95. I was still breaking in the battery so just fly around on a lazy 8 pattern with some stall turn in between. Hovering is about 25 Amps. The 5 minute flight drains about 1800 mA out of the pack. I have to hook up 2 sensor wires to the motor wiring before motor rpm can be read correctly (that is why the headspeed on the graph show 2x of normal headspeed) Attached is the plot of the flight.

Dan, KE6D

Here is the logger data for a 100% idle up 2. It looks like the H/18 motor with a 13 tooth pinion is performing exactly what I wanted (around 2000 rpm headspeed).

I took off in idle up 1 (95, 92, 90, 92, 95), then switched to idle up 1 (100% across) and proceeded to fly around. The head speed is up to around 1900 on ID2.

Dan, KE6D