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sokal
01-18-2008, 11:04 PM
my 401 has arrived and tried the fineless vids to set up. but still seems not right, so for those who has the gyro. wouldn't mind shareing the procedure, would be great. thanks

carlo_the_wonder_frog
01-19-2008, 08:25 AM
First and foremost, the GY401 must always be initialised in Heading hold mode, if you plug the battery in and the transmitter is set to rate mode, its not going to work right ever. Get your reverse switch right, the rudder reverse correct and set the limits. go fly. the 401 is the easiest gyro to setup, its basically plug and play. You don't even have to do anything in rate mode, unless you plan on flying in rate, but I never do and most others I think don't ever use rate either.

Specifically what makes you think its not setup correctly?

sokal
01-19-2008, 08:53 AM
it starts in hh, ive used the vids and its set it up like he shows. my prob is after i put in a tail input, then return to center. tail will do a slow piro in one direction then stops. so im just wondering how it should be set up in the Tx. i have it set to a switch. ive brought the end adj to 50 on each pos. i have the gyro rate set to 80 all rev are right, gyro rev is right the only thing i can think of is my 3400g not in yet, so im using a std gyro. its in non ds mode.

carlo_the_wonder_frog
01-19-2008, 01:11 PM
Ok first of all you need the gyro plugged into the rudder channel, next your gain wire ( The single yellow one) should be plugged into the Gear Channel. Now on your rudder setting in the transmitter make sure that there is no trim or subtrim in any of the flight modes. You might have to disconnect the motor to check your idle up settings. No trim no subtrim, check. Now go into your end point adjustment on rudder and make sure they are both at 100 left and right. now go into your end point adjustment for the gear channel, this will be the adjustment for remote gyro gain. You will find that the gear switch will have to be moved to be able to adjust both values. Also check dual rates and exponential and make sure those aren't adjusted on the rudder. make them default.

When you plug in the heli, do not move it at all until the GY401 has a solid red light on it, if its flashing then something isnt right. Does yours flash? Have you tried to setup in rate mode too? A standard servo will still work well, there shouldn't be any delay, unless you adjusted the delay pot on the gyro way out of wack. What other behavior does the heli present when you are flying? Be specific. You'll get it all sorted out in no time, the 401 will be 100 times better than the stock setup.

sokal
01-19-2008, 03:19 PM
will do its snowing today so no tests. but i will do as directed and check.
also, with the delay all the way down it fashes when its about 25 its solid red
not sure if its right. not sure how to do the rate mode afer inisialize solid red i reduce below 50 for the light to go out if thats how to do rate then i guess i have.
i thank you for your help and hope to be burning holes in the sky soon.

carlo_the_wonder_frog
01-20-2008, 08:39 AM
to adjust the heli in rate mode you need to flip the gear switch, then adjust the (-) negative side of the gear end point. If you don't flip the gear switch you will never be able to go into rate mode, no matter what you make the end point as it will not go negative in value. To stop the heli from yawing ( turning) you must adjust the whole servo by sliding it back and forth on the boom in small increments until the heli holds in place. once that is done flip the gear switch 3 times really fast and put it into Heading hold mode, now power down and rebind the whole radio again. should fly perfect after that.

sokal
01-20-2008, 07:15 PM
well stillno fly conditions, but i have my 3400g installed so this is what i did
i centered the servo in rate mode after power up in HH
centered on the slider
adj the limit
spooled up to 50% adj the sub trim to stop the yaw
did the 3 cycle thing

gyro set to 70%
rudd end adj to 90% for lower piro

did a hover in empty room (desprate)
tail held very well
did a few pedal turn

seem like after i go to center after it has a snap back reaction like a bouce in the opp direction i turned to

so this is what i have done if any suggestions would be a help

sokal
01-21-2008, 03:25 PM
well seems all is set up tail holds rock solid even in full punch no movement
thanks everyones help and now just fave to get ysed to the fast reaction of the new servos

carlo_the_wonder_frog
01-21-2008, 07:05 PM
well stillno fly conditions, but i have my 3400g installed so this is what i did
i centered the servo in rate mode after power up in HH
centered on the slider
adj the limit
spooled up to 50% adj the sub trim to stop the yaw
did the 3 cycle thing

gyro set to 70%
rudd end adj to 90% for lower piro

did a hover in empty room (desprate)
tail held very well
did a few pedal turn

seem like after i go to center after it has a snap back reaction like a bouce in the opp direction i turned to

so this is what i have done if any suggestions would be a help

Dont give ANY subtrim in ANY mode. take all that subtrim out of rate mode. you dont want any of it, it will screw things up. You adjust the whole servo up and down on the tail boom to make it hover with no drifting. That means you need to go back and redo it, everytime you power the heli up the light will blink now and it will slowly drift out because it "Sees" that subtrim and it doens't mash with its HH neutral setting.

Easiest way is to go back into rate mode and take out that subtrim, flip the switch 3 times and go into HH mode, now just never fly in rate mode and it should work great.

Perfectionist setup requires rate mode and hovering, if it drifts you will have to slide the whole servo up and down the boom , you just keep adjusting in small increments until it holds solid. DO NOT USE SUBTRIM!

sokal
01-21-2008, 09:48 PM
i thank you sooooooo much for your help the tail holds solid like a rock even with throt pumping no movment at alll WOW!!!!!!!

here is some pics of my set up
i need to find or make a tail rod so that i can mount it like the trex on the tail

http://www.helifreak.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36297&stc=1&d=1200973453
http://www.helifreak.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36296&stc=1&d=1200973435
http://www.helifreak.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36295&stc=1&d=1200973435
http://www.helifreak.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36294&stc=1&d=1200973435
http://www.helifreak.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36293&stc=1&d=1200973435

carlo_the_wonder_frog
01-21-2008, 10:14 PM
Looks really good, NICE JOB!!

LockMD
01-21-2008, 10:19 PM
Sokal, ? you have the 285's as your other 3 servos and the 3400 for the tail?

Can I just put a JR 285 in the tail, set the existing gyro for digital and be done?

Between the servos and the gyro, I am getting confused.

sokal
01-21-2008, 11:23 PM
thought of that but ive read that this is a great set up for this size heli
most use the hitec 65mg

ive been told nothing really compares to the gy401 and the 3400 combo
and i would have to agree holds unbelivable
i went with the 285 in the cyclic for the fact eflite servos suck and wanted better servos whitch i could count on not to fail and be in center every time
i did some hard flying on her to day and i tell you its night and day compared to stock

im sure if i would have just used the 285 in the tail with stock gyro would have been fine but the 3400g was desined to run tail rotors
all in all just thought it was a good investment

LockMD
01-22-2008, 07:35 AM
Did you have to mod the heli for the 401 to fit, would the 285 fit without mods (in the tail)?

sokal
01-22-2008, 05:30 PM
all fit with out mods the only mod per say was diffrent screws

LockMD
01-22-2008, 05:38 PM
okay thanks sokal, I think I will take your advice an order the 3400G but I want to see how that does with the stock gyro before going to the 401.

sokal
01-22-2008, 05:55 PM
cool!!!!! i can go from 50% to 100% starting on the ground and the tail does not move through the climb and through whole flight i would have to agree with the others on the gy401 also the G110 seems to overdrive the tail slider were the 401 can be set not to (reason for orriginal servo death) "i think"

MaXThReAT
02-11-2008, 01:54 PM
I found this article very helpful in understanding the GY401. It was written by some local flyers here in CO.
http://www.coloradorotorheads.com/articles/401.htm (http://www.coloradorotorheads.com/articles/401.htm)
I start my actual install and setup tonight of the GY401 and a JR D3400G in to my B400.

sokal
02-11-2008, 03:59 PM
im telling u that is an amazing combo for the B400
rock solid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbup:

magoo91h
02-11-2008, 04:15 PM
I am really going to sound like a newbee. I am getting the 401 gyro what I am still confused on some of the terminology. How do you start in heading hold mode?

sokal
02-11-2008, 04:17 PM
gyro gain in tx has to be more than 50
then plug in the batt
and the 401 LED should be a solid red

MaXThReAT
02-15-2008, 10:53 AM
I've got my GY401 installed. I decided to wait on installing the 3400G until later. Shes doing great but I have a small tail drift, very slow. Before I make some adjustments I just wanted to verify....
I need to power her up in HH mode. Move to rate mode, hover and adjust the pushrod till she holds center and then flip the switch 3 times to end in HH mode??
Simple trim does not work, correct? not subtrim.

sokal
02-15-2008, 12:23 PM
i was told to do hovering in rate
and was told didnt have to
all i did was make slider center in std rate mode then
do the switch flip thing
also test on a slick floor or a lazy susan
as for me i used 0 sub and 0 trim made all adj from rod
i recomend using the 3400g over stock stronger and faster
my stock seemed not to work to well

MaXThReAT
02-15-2008, 05:00 PM
How much gain should be used when hovering and adjusting in rate mode. I would guess not alot. Pretty low right?

sokal
02-15-2008, 05:26 PM
anything bellow 50% is rate mode
for hh mode i use 70%
also in expo i added to the tail to make it quicker -10