not to smart

[ViperDrags44]

Alan Szabo flying 500 in tv studio




This is a video that was posted on another forum of Alan flying a Trex 500 in a tv studio.

http://www.wretch.cc/video/moumei&f...id=3578867&p=23


Should he be allowed to break AMA rules and to not be to smart?

[smokin3000gt]

I wish someone had the videos of b rovic saved. I am curious to see what caused the uproar (for good reason I'm sure). All the links are gone and deleted.

[Skiddz]

It's best to not to provide that jackass with any more attention. Just let it go...

[ShinOBIWAN]

[snip]...idot!

How ironic ;)

[ShinOBIWAN]

Who cares what this guy does in his OWN house with his OWN equipment and with his OWN life.

I thought it was a pretty funny video myself. Flying a nitro in a kitchen isn't something you see every day.

Some people are a little crazier than others. Doesn't mean they're 'idiots' or 'dumb'. I hate how you guys look down on folks like your better than them.

[rdlohr]

Who cares what this guy does in his OWN house with his OWN equipment and with his OWN life.

I thought it was a pretty funny video myself. Flying a nitro in a kitchen isn't something you see every day.

Some people are a little crazier than others. Doesn't mean they're 'idiots' or 'dumb'. I hate how you guys look down on folks like your better than them.
If in fact they had no impact on us or anyone else I would agree. However, when something goes wrong with anyone in this hobby it puts us all at risk have people in authority "regulate these dangerous toys". Also, when someone posts vids like this like its OK, the uninformed newbies may repeat it not understanding the risks. Beyond all that, we often see these guys putting others at risk. Helifreak therefore can not condone it and its up to us to discourage it. All that doesn't give us a right to treat anyone disrespectfully though.

Rick

[ShinOBIWAN]

If in fact they had no impact on us or anyone else I would agree. However, when something goes wrong with anyone in this hobby it puts us all at risk have people in authority "regulate these dangerous toys". Also, when someone posts vids like this like its OK, the uninformed newbies may repeat it not understanding the risks. Beyond all that, we often see these guys putting others at risk. Helifreak therefore can not condone it and its up to us to discourage it. All that doesn't give us a right to treat anyone disrespectfully though.

Rick

I think you underestimate the sensibilities of the average human being. The display shown in the video is clearly risky, this is obvious to virtually anyone. I don't think a newcomer needs someone who's been in the hobby for awhile to point this out to them by way of calling the guy an idiot.

I do crazy things nearly every week - I race quads. Its all about calculated risk. If a bunch of folks started calling me an idiot because of what I do and the risks I take then I'd be straight to point and tell them they don't have to watch and maybe a few other choice words too ;)

In this video the only risk I see is to the pilot and his home. He calculated the risk and went for it. What I don't see is him flying in a kids playground or hovering over a freeway - which clearly is dangerous because of the risk to folks who aren't willing participants in any carnage that may ensue.

The way you guys paint it is to vilify any and all risk taking. I'm not big on that whole black and white ethos so here I am calling it as I see it.

[rdlohr]

I think you underestimate the sensibilities of the average human being. The display shown in the video is clearly risky, this is obvious to virtually anyone. I don't think a newcomer needs someone who's been in the hobby for awhile to point this out to them by way of calling the guy an idiot.

I do crazy things nearly every week - I race quads. Its all about calculated risk. If a bunch of folks started calling me an idiot because of what I do and the risks I take then I'd be straight to point and tell them they don't have to watch and maybe a few other choice words too ;)

In this video the only risk I see is to the pilot and his home. He calculated the risk and went for it. What I don't see is him flying in a kids playground or hovering over a freeway - which clearly is dangerous because of the risk to folks who aren't willing participants in any carnage that may ensue.

The way you guys paint it is to vilify any and all risk taking. I'm not big on that whole black and white ethos so here I am calling it as I see it.
I'll have to agree to disagree. His wife (female voice) who was filming was also at risk. He could have killed or maimed her. The authorities would have gotten involved and started questioning why anyone would play with such a dangerous toy. Next thing you know laws start going into place limiting how you and I can play with our dangerous toys and whether we should even have the right to do so. No problem legislating against this toy because only a small segment of the population cares and it is clearly dangerous. (Never heard a similar story to this have you)

Once again I don't like hearing anyone being disrespectful but I have no problem calling him out for using bad judgement. No matter how good a pilot he is, mechanical failure happens regularly on helis. If I lose my heli priviledge over someone like him using poor judgement I will be really upset. All of the sudden its not him in his home impacting noone but himself.

Rick

[ShinOBIWAN]

I'll have to agree to disagree. His wife (female voice) who was filming was also at risk. He could have killed or maimed her. The authorities would have gotten involved and started questioning why anyone would play with such a dangerous toy. Next thing you know laws start going into place limiting how you and I can play with our dangerous toys and whether we should even have the right to do so. No problem legislating against this toy because only a small segment of the population cares and it is clearly dangerous. (Never heard a similar story to this have you)

Once again I don't like hearing anyone being disrespectful but I have no problem calling him out for using bad judgement. No matter how good a pilot he is, mechanical failure happens regularly on helis. If I lose my heli priviledge over someone like him using poor judgement I will be really upset. All of the sudden its not him in his home impacting noone but himself.

Rick

The law will come down on the hobby? I don't see that as the case but it will come down on the folks that abuse the hobby.

Besides that, I think the enforcement would be welcomed here because you certainly police it yourselves. Every time I see some fly in their home or out on their back yard someone comes along and say "Wow, your dumb. Fly at a club field and do that". So yeah, I don't think you'd mind so much if the law said "These things are to be flown only at certified clubs or else". That would certainly drop all those who aren't in this for the hobby.

I know you need to be seen as not condoning this sort of thing but hey, cars are dangerous, walking across the road is dangerous, flying is dangerous, smoking is dangerous, hell even cooking can be dangerous. You know why these things are dangerous? Because we have an amazing knack as a species to seek new ways to test ourselves and get a kick out of it. I have no problem with that providing you rationally calculate the risks.

Also make no mistake, I'm not generalising here. I'm talking about the video in this thread when I say I don't see the problem.

Here's something I do have a problem with, this guy is flying a trex 600 in a kids playground and he clearly has zero control of the heli:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZipYAD9fd4

If I witnessed that I would be the first speak up. But it does seem he realised his error and goes to a field for his later flights in that video.

[rdlohr]

The law will come down on the hobby? I don't see that as the case but it will come down on the folks that abuse the hobby.

Besides that, I think the enforcement would be welcomed here because you certainly police it yourselves. Every time I see some fly in their home or out on their back yard someone comes along and say "Wow, your dumb. Fly at a club field and do that". So yeah, I don't think you'd mind so much if the law said "These things are to be flown only at certified clubs or else". That would certainly drop all those who aren't in this for the hobby.

I know you need to be seen as not condoning this sort of thing but hey, cars are dangerous, walking across the road is dangerous, flying is dangerous, smoking is dangerous, hell even cooking can be dangerous. You know why these things are dangerous? Because we have an amazing knack as a species to seek new ways to test ourselves and get a kick out of it. I have no problem with that providing you rationally calculate the risks.

Also make no mistake, I'm not generalising here. I'm talking about the video in this thread when I say I don't see the problem.

Here's something I do have a problem with, this guy is flying a trex 600 in a kids playground and he clearly has zero control of the heli:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZipYAD9fd4

If I witnessed that I would be the first speak up. But it does seem he realised his error and goes to a field for his later flights in that video.

So let me get this straight. You are OK with the guy in the video flying next to the female who is filming it?

Rick

[ShinOBIWAN]

Of course I'm fine with it. That was the whole point.

She's the one holding the camera willingly recording the stunt right?

Are you trying to police my thoughts and views now?

[rdlohr]

Of course I'm fine with it. That was the whole point.

She's the one holding the camera willingly recording the stunt right?

Are you trying to police my thoughts and views now?

Do you think she has any idea of the risk she is taking?

Not trying to police you at all. You are not putting people at risk. Just trying to understand your differentiation of children at risk in the 600 vid and the girl at risk in this one.

[billbill242000]

:soapboxI was going to make a response to this earlier but thought better...now I thought better again.
Let's say this person gets hurt or even worse he is fine but the female gets hurt bad or even killed. Now there is an investigation into what happens. The guy flying claims he had no idea the thing could cause that kind of damage to a person.
Now let's suppose some young politician looking to make a name for himself gets wind of this horrendous accident with what most people look at as a toy. Well, he has got to save his constituents right? Let's say he is very dynamic and gets LAWS passed that now you or I have to pass a state sanctioned test before we can even by a helicopter.
Kinda like what criminals have done to the gun industry!!

[ShinOBIWAN]

Do you think she has any idea of the risk she is taking?

Not trying to police you at all. You are not putting people at risk. Just trying to understand your differentiation of children at risk in the 600 vid and the girl at risk in this one.

She chose to do that. Just like she very likely chooses to jump in the car and go to work. Last time I looked, their are more car accidents than RC ones and that's even if you factor in numbers ratio.

I jump on the quad at the weekends and go race. I've seen people get messed up real bad and quite few times myself have been hurt by both my own misjudgement and others. I still do it knowing all the risks. Am I an idiot for constantly putting myself and potentially others in harms way? They and I don't seem to think so.

Are the spectators who go watch a rally idiots? They stand there with cars whizzing past on a knifes edge. All it takes is for that one error at the wrong time and you have a potential disaster. Those spectators chose to be there and realise the risks.

The examples I could reel off are legion.

As for as the kids, that's different and it should be obvious why.

[rdlohr]

She chose to do that. Just like she very likely chooses to jump in the car and go to work. Last time I looked, their are more car accidents than RC ones and that's even if you factor in numbers ratio.

I jump on the quad at the weekends and go race. I've seen people get messed up real bad and quite few times myself have been hurt by both my own misjudgement and others. I still do it knowing all the risks. Am I an idiot for constantly putting myself and potentially others in harms way? They and I don't seem to think so.

Are the spectators who go watch a rally idiots? They stand there with cars whizzing past on a knifes edge. All it takes is for that one error at the wrong time and you have a potential disaster. Those spectators chose to be there and realise the risks.

The examples I could reel off are legion.

As for as the kids, that's different and it should be obvious why.

The part I think you are missing, and I'll stop bantering with you after this, is that all the things you have mentioned are known dangerous activities and people choose to take the risk. The general population, and I'll bet the female in the vid, have no clue how dangerous a heli is so when they choose to be nearby they don't realize the danger they are in. Its up to us to protect and educate people who we fly near. Show her these and see if she chooses to film his next indoor event.

http://www.helifreak.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35616&d=1200317289 (http://www.helifreak.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35616&d=1200317289)

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I will agree to disagree with you. The pilot in that video showed poor judgement.

Rick

[ShinOBIWAN]

:soapboxI was going to make a response to this earlier but thought better...now I thought better again.
Let's say this person gets hurt or even worse he is fine but the female gets hurt bad or even killed. Now there is an investigation into what happens. The guy flying claims he had no idea the thing could cause that kind of damage to a person.
Now let's suppose some young politician looking to make a name for himself gets wind of this horrendous accident with what most people look at as a toy. Well, he has got to save his constituents right? Let's say he is very dynamic and gets LAWS passed that now you or I have to pass a state sanctioned test before we can even by a helicopter.
Kinda like what criminals have done to the gun industry!!

You need a license to drive a car. You damn well better have a background check and license for a gun. I think a license to fly the larger and more dangerous heli ain't such a bad idea either.

It goes back to what I said earlier. With some folks here calling out individuals when these videos pop up then it figures the same guys doing that calling out would welcome restrictions to make it harder for the casual thrill seeker to get a hold of a heli and start doing 'stunts' in his neighbour hood or home.

Seems you bring about your own judgement and segregation but not in an official capacity. That approach is not really very effective but making it law would be a better step if you truly want to see less of this kind of thing.

[ShinOBIWAN]

Show her these and see if she chooses to film his next indoor event.

I fail to see the logic in that.

I could go dig up pictures of some charred out lungs or some dead cancer victims - all of which are cause by smoking. Showing these to a smoker might make them pause but they'll likely still carry on.

Same goes with car accidents. I could find some horrible photo's with brains scattered all over the road, you know some really graphic shocking stuff. Guess what? All of us would still drive to work.

[rdlohr]

I fail to see the logic in that.

I could go dig up pictures of some charred out lungs or some dead cancer victims - all of which are cause by smoking. Showing these to a smoker might make them pause but they'll likely still carry on.

Same goes with car accidents. I could find some horrible photo's with brains scattered all over the road, you know some really graphic shocking stuff. Guess what? All of us would still drive to work.
Please re-read the words in my last post. I already explained it ... people know those things are dangerous. If they choose to carry on knowing the dangers, so be it. The general public does not realize the dangers of helis.

Rick

[ShinOBIWAN]

Please re-read the words in my last post. I already explained it ... people know those things are dangerous. If they choose to carry on knowing the dangers, so be it. The general public does not realize the dangers of helis.

Rick

Nothing says danger quite like a fast spinning blurry disk. Everyone will try to move out the way of that.

Like I said at the very beginning, I think you underestimate the average human being ability to identify danger and calculate risk.

[rdlohr]

Nothing says danger quite like a fast spinning blurry disk. Everyone will try to move out the way of that.

Like I said at the very beginning, I think you underestimate the average human being ability to identify danger and calculate risk.
I see it every day in thread after thread. Bystanders just don't get how dangerous it is.
Rick

[Skiddz]

Nothing says danger quite like a fast spinning blurry disk. Everyone will try to move out the way of that.

Like I said at the very beginning, I think you underestimate the average human being ability to identify danger and calculate risk.

I think you underestimate the lack of common sense the average human being has. The average human being has never seen an RC helicopter, much less one in operation. How are they to know the blades are spinning at 2000 (or so) RPM and are made out of carbon fiber with lead weights in the tips?

It's up to us, as supporters and promoters of the hobby, to educate the people that come to watch us fly or blindly encroach upon our flying area(s) when they do. It's our responsibility to make sure these types aren't hurt by our "toys".

Requiring some special type of certification isn't going to mean jack. Certainly you've seen some seriously stupid people behind the wheel of a car... I've seen some seriously stupid people doing seriously stupid things in an aircraft and getting THAT ticket is a LOT more involved than getting a driver's license.

[Laurens]

Nothing says danger quite like a fast spinning blurry disk. Everyone will try to move out the way of that.

I've never seen people that know the dangers of a rc heli. To bystanders its just a guy with his toy helicopter. When I'm not flying in a club (on a closed off terrain, but some people walk their dogs there too) they just walk under the heli if I don't notice them.

Last week a friend was flying there too. The police came, and told him to go. Since its illegal to be there because its a construction terrain, they told him to go to a recreation area, full of children, dogs etc etc. They really don't have a clue of the dangers involved.

[WillJames]

Nothing says danger quite like a fast spinning blurry disk. Everyone will try to move out the way of that.

Like I said at the very beginning, I think you underestimate the average human being ability to identify danger and calculate risk.

I completely disagree.

There are very few of the general public and "up and coming 3D" pilots who grasp the full danger involved with a flying heli or plank either one.

I see it time and time again where people have no idea how much danger they are putting themselves into by their proximity to a flying model.

[BarracudaHockey]

I think you underestimate the lack of common sense the average human being has.

After several years in fire/rescue, I can assure you this statement is correct :D

[ShinOBIWAN]

Well guys, I just don't see it as a big deal when it comes the video shown in this thread nor the ones with folks flying HBK2, Belt CP or Blade 400 in their homes. If they want to do that then hey, knock yourselves out. I wouldn't do it myself because I'd be in big trouble but don't care if others do that.