New Futaba 10 channel (with pic)

[DebianDog]

Man if Futaba would have released this and the 2.4 Ghz module to replace my 9C I would have got it over my x9303.

http://www.helifreak.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=37594&stc=1&d=1202129251

http://www.helifreak.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=38344&stc=1&d=1202780717

[enahs]

I have a 9C and I am very interested to hear more about this.

[BarracudaHockey]

Where did you see that Dan?

[DebianDog]

A site in Germany had some information

[DavidH]

Where did you see that Dan?



http://www.hobbystar.de/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=4580
Paste the link in Babel Fish and you can translate to English, Unless you speak German. LOL

David

[DebianDog]

Thanks David here is the bad translation
Completely developed 10-channel computer system of the elevated performance class with 2,4 GHz technology. The system is a Spread Spectrum system with frequency Hopping (FHSS). It may radiate therefore a maximum output of 100 mW EIRP and possesses thus sufficient reserves, also for large flight models and jets.

# no quartz, no frequency channel choice, highest security before gleichkanalstoerungen.
# by the Spread Spectrum modulation, the frequency Hopping as well as the coding from transmitter to receiver also over 130 million codes, quasi troublefree.
# a detailed description of the seizing system advantages find it on the seizing introduction side.
# central point is large, highly soluble 160 x 72 DOT diagram display with specially-large Dot's for good legibility, over which all attitudes are entered and indicated. In connection with 4 command keys, the 3-D-Hotkey and the graphically led user surface the plant is very easily programmable.
# new precision cross control sticks with digital trim and adjustable incrementation. A retrimming or a trim value storage makes redundant with model memory change. The position display of the trim value takes place as bar diagram in the LC display.
# the laterally attached rotation transducers make a practical operation possible of auxiliary functions without releasing the control sticks.
# of the transmitters is equipped with 5 analog rotation transducers and 8 switches already fully and needs no further accessories. For almost all functions the switches or tax giver are freely selectable.
# new with logic gear function for switches and control sticks.
# an extensive software offers also for function-pregnant engine -, segelflug and helicopter models all necessary functions.
# sufficient free program mixers, also with 5-Punktkurve, solve also complex mixing functions.
# can be used the transmitter in the FM or PCM enterprise in addition is necessary alternatively the HF module FM-POWERPLANT 10. It is then compatible with all current FM and PCM-1024-Empfaengern robbe/Futaba of the program.
# in SEIZES 2.4 GHz mode possesses the plant altogether 10 channels (8 prop./2 signal paths).
The software is implemented in 6 languages: German, English, French, Italian, Spanish or Dutch.
# of integrated H3 (1:1:1) swash plate mixer for CCPM Rotorkopfsteuerung (140°), as well as H4X control for 45° swash plate turn.
# integrated teacher pupil system with single function change-over.
# the control stick mechanics is laid out in the universal mode and can be changed over by the user by "throttle right" to "throttle left".
# of 15 model memory internally, infinitely expandable by CAMPac modules.

Channel raster: 2048 kHz
Power input: 230
Current supply: 9.6 V of NiMH Akku
Transmission system: FSK
Functions: 20/10 Servos

Scope of supply:
1 transmitter T10C SEIZES 2.4 GHz
1 Senderakku 9.6 V of 2000 mAh
1 SEIZES HF module TM10
1 SEIZES receiver R 6014FS
1 switch cable with load socket

[BarracudaHockey]

http://at.robbe-online.net/rims_at.storefront/en
Click on the left on NEW ITEMS then RADIO CONTROL SYSTEMS
Its listed as an FF10 and has the full English specs

[istandalone]

highest security before gleichkanalstoerungen]

ahh, what does that mean?

[worldofmaya]

hehe... I think this is a bad translation... original was English because it's funny to read for a German speaking...
"gleichkanalstoerungen" means that if someone else is on your frequency and interferes.
Die price will be nice but no G3 and it seams if everything is true that it will be slower than a FF7 or a T12/14 with G3 and 2G4...
-klaus

[DavidH]

The list price is $670 USD on the Robbe site. That is the list price, so I am guessing it will most likely be $500 plus here in the USA.

David

[DebianDog]

hehe... I think this is a bad translation... original was English because it's funny to read for a German speaking...
"gleichkanalstoerungen" means that if someone else is on your frequency and interferes.
Die price will be nice but no G3 and it seams if everything is true that it will be slower than a FF7 or a T12/14 with G3 and 2G4...
-klaus


Thanks:hug: my Euro Freak!

[DavidH]

I may be wrong. But this is 2048 resolution
Channel raster: 2048 kHz

And from what I was told a couple of weeks ago, I think it is suppose to be 2048 resolution.

David

[worldofmaya]

hi!
I think there's a difference between PPM/PCM mode and 2G4. They don't use PPM (...) to communicate with 2G4 modules. That's how it works in a FF7... so hopefully this is the same for T10. The T12 use G3 over 2G4 and some people tested the setup and they found out that it's at least as fast as a native FF7 solution. Some people at a German forum are always complaining about modules.
Here's a link about FF7 testing:
http://members.aon.at/flug.fiala/t7-2G4.html
Sorry it's German. The one who did the tests just found out how FF7/2G4 works and how fast it is. On another side he's testing T12 with TM-14...
-klaus

[ClayK]

My German is extremely rusty, but it looks like FM/PCM will be on 1024, but 2.4 will be on 2048. :dontknow

[worldofmaya]

There's quit a lot of technical stuff that I don't really understand... but the point there was that there's nothing faster (latency time) than FF7/Fasst... hope to see some G3/Fasst comparison or at least how a TM7 module performance too. What makes me think is, that when using a TM7 for example in an FF9 you have to set PPM mode. The question is where PPM is generated.
Here -> http://www.2.4gigahertz.com/modules/modules-receivers.html
Futaba writes something about a resolution of 32,768 which would 2^15... I think that's just marketing or that's for all channels...
2048 which would be 2^11 sounds good. I don't think that one needs more or better a servo can resolve...
And Futaba writes in a T12 description that it uses 2048 with G3:
http://www.2.4gigahertz.com/systems/futk9200.html
Hopefully the T10 can do this too... but than again where's the benefit of G3? Perhaps waiting a few months helps :)
-klaus

[DebianDog]

There's quit a lot of technical stuff that I don't really understand... but the point there was that there's nothing faster (latency time) than FF7/Fasst...

You mean a 12Z is the fastest (http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=60181) (by average) ;)

[worldofmaya]

You're right... that was the chart I was looking for!! Strange that they don't ship 12Zs anymore...
-kaus

[DebianDog]

You're right... that was the chart I was looking for!! Strange that they don't ship 12Zs anymore...
-kaus

No I think your thinking of the 9Z the 12Z is one of the newest Futabas (http://www.futaba-rc.com/radios/futj9300.html) you can buy :thumbup:

[worldofmaya]

Wasn't the 12Z canceled and now you only get the 12FG with less functions?
-klaus

btw I've a 9z :)

[DebianDog]

Wasn't the 12Z canceled and now you only get the 12FG with less functions?
-klaus

btw I've a 9z :)

No it was not canceled the FG is just a Z with a few less options (http://www.futaba-rc.com/radios/feature-compare.html) and a different card (SD vs CF).

[worldofmaya]

Okay just checked it and it seams that it's not possible to get a 12z here on the German market :(
-klaus

[DavidH]

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXNXZ5&P=0

http://www.ronlund.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=heli&Product_Code=FUT12Z-50

http://homepage1.nifty.com/ishiimokei/english/radio/propo/fu_all.htm#FU-??T12ZH

12Z still selling in all the shops.

David

[worldofmaya]

The only way seams to be to get a 2G4. 72MHz isn't allowed here. Don't know if one can use a local 35MHz module because they use a region code in all 14MZ. So maybe this affects the 12z too... no confirmation about that by now.
-klaus

[DavidH]

Shops in the UK and Europe will have the 12Z on 35 mhz
Here is the 12Z at Skyline models
https://www.skylinemodels.co.uk/Links/xcart/product.php?productid=28029&cat=308&page=1

It will be on 35mhz.

I am fairly sure if you look around at some of the online European shops that they have the 12Z on 35 mhz or 40 mhz.

David

[worldofmaya]

Thanks for the link! Price is way too high as always with UK pricing... but that's a good starting point!
Thanks again,
klaus