FUTABA

[rexman]

The Futaba Fasst is so cool i just got done putting them in my T-rex 450,my Blade 400 and it works grate,the raido is so much better to work then Jr raidos.

[Pinecone]

Until the GUID resets to all zeros. :)

They all have their pluses and minuses.

[ct420]

Please do not feed the trolls :...:

[Aerial RC Photog]

Please do not feed the trolls :...:

Whats up with the Trolls.?:thinking

Haven't heard that one before?

[gustafh]

Well I think the problem is real...
http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=57288

I agree with you rexman, futaba 2.4Ghz is wonderful.

But it's worrying when this happens.

Not saying you shouldnt get a 6EX or 7C but you might want to check your system and caution is advised when other FASST users are around.
/g

[Shakes268]

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll):

"An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_slang), is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum), with the intention of baiting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baiting_%28Internet%29) other users into an emotional response[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll#_note-0) or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion."

[Pinecone]

Off topic???

A major problem with the system that makes it more vulnerable than 72 MHz?

[Shakes268]

Well I think the problem is real...
http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=57288

I agree with you rexman, futaba 2.4Ghz is wonderful.

But it's worrying when this happens.

Not saying you shouldnt get a 6EX or 7C but you might want to check your system and caution is advised when other FASST users are around.
/g

They do have a real problem with some systems just like other brands have real problems with their systems too.

I have a 12FG 2.4 and it has been amazing. So, the "until the guid resets to all zeros" remark is not entirely accurate and is exclusionary in the systems that work just fine like those using the TM14 modules and the TM-8 once released.

[Shakes268]

Off topic???

A major problem with the system that makes it more vulnerable than 72 MHz?

Sorry if you took that as a personal response to your post but it was not. That was a pasted definition of what an internet troll is. It is a response to illicit emotional reponses from others on a controversial topic.

I just pasted the definition. How you choose to relate it to your own post is your choice.

[Hotwings]

Pinecone, on the futaba 14 site there is a post about the few 6 channel systems that got shipped with 0000 guid. this was a very few systems and were recalled by Futaba. doesn't affect 8ch or 14 ch fasst systems, only a very few 6 ch 2.4 systems.
go here to see Futaba official response
http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=57288

[gustafh]

From what I have read so far, it seems that it is not simply a few units shipped with Zero-GUID from the factory. It seems like there are some 6EX and 7C systems that were shipped with a correct guid and have been reset later.
Some argue that it can happen if you flick the on/off switch too fast.
And I think I have managed to do the same to mine..

Very long thread on another forum:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=798002

[Ah Clem]

I don't think that Pinecone was out of line, or in error, when he pointed out the Futaba issue. Every post I have read of his has been thoughtful and accurate.

Futaba does have an issue with the GUID on some of the six channel system and seven channel modules. We do not know how many radios are really out there with that particular problem.

Futaba is an excellent company and has been for many years. I have no doubts that they will correct the issue on any radios that are returned to them for service.

Hopefully the warning has gotten to everyone who purchased the radios with potential problems.

[jgunpilot]

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll):

"An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_slang), is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum), with the intention of baiting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baiting_%28Internet%29) other users into an emotional response[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll#_note-0) or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion."

I've never heard of that before. Hey, that Barak Obama is really well spoken, isn't he?

[Pinecone]

Actually rstacy and I had a long PM exchange over this. The big thing is for people to realize that NO RF link is 100%. And as long as you use RF for control, there will be loss of control over link problems.

NASA, spending millions at least even loses the link to some stuff at times.

And while my first post was curt, it was in regards that Futaba is perfect. And they aren't. But neither is JR/Spektrum, Airtronics, Assan, XPS, Corona and any other players in the 2.4 GHz market.

Back when RC got use of 72 MHz, the magazines were full of praise for the system that would deliver fliers from all the issues of 27 MHz. It didn't.

And yes, it has been demonstrated that Futaba GUIDs CAN be reset by accident to all zeros. Robbe in Germany went so far as to actually recall the Txes.

As for the official statement, I love the part about it being extremely unlikely that 2 radios would show up at the same field at the same time with ZGUIDs. Of course, it happened at least 3 times before Futaba would even listen to the evidence (at least admitting to listening).

[rexman]

Pinecone JR Pays you to use there Raidos,dont they.

[ct420]

My post about "do not feed the trolls" was actually in response to this:

the raido is so much better to work then Jr raidos.


That statement struck me as being controversial, and probably intended to start yet another unproductive flame war over futuba vs. JR. This is what trolls do. However, my post was meant mostly in jest. I didn't mean to offend anyone :o

[rexman]

Trolls ?

[worldofmaya]

The local distributor for the German area Robbe just started a call back and replaces hf board for FF6 and updates FF7 radios and TM-7 modules. The zero id isn't a FASST problem, it's just a bad implementation of IDs in those radios. You don't lose connection, there could be someone else with zero id and overtake your model. That's the problem... just like using the same channel and protocol with FM (...) systems.
-klaus

[istandalone]

that obama comment was good!
on topic, i'm looking at the futaba 7c fasst. when/if i get it, what do i need to look for as an indicator of this issue? serial#? or just wait and see if there's an issue?

[worldofmaya]

There're serial numbers on the Futaba webside...
http://2.4gigahertz.com/techsupport/service-advisory-tm7-7c-6ex.html
I don't think that this really helps but that's an official Futaba statement. Our local distributor here just says something different...
-klaus

[SteveL]

OMG get a grip. Pinecone do you feel that insecure about your DX7 or whatever it is you fly that you need to bash every Futaba post? And I would agree Rexman might have come off as a troll if he posted this anywhere other than the Futaba forum.
Why would you slap someone right in the face that was so happy about a recent purchase? I can only assume his comment about working better than a JR was due to programming. To my knowledge neither system has a link problem.

[carlangas]

Question:

Isn´t it irresponsible to continue selling these damaged radios despite Futaba/Dealers/Stores are aware of this issue?. Haven´t Great Planes or Futaba tested the radios before sending them to the stores?. Is my perception wrong?

My 7C FASST is on it's way, I think tomorrow I will receive it and I am realy worry about this issue.

Is there any way to test it by myself?.

Thanks

JC

[dvelez3]

JC,

you will probably will be getting a Radio with an "I" sticker in it or a serial number starting with 08.

Doug.

[carlangas]

Doug

You are right, I just received my radio set, it has the 080101448 serial number. Excelent news. So I do not have nothing to worry about. I hope so.

So I hope that the > 5 seconds on-off switching thing does not affect mines too.

Thanks again.

JC

[DavidH]

So I hope that the > 5 seconds on-off switching thing does not affect mines too.


Why would you even want to switch it OFF and ON in that time span? You turn your PC off and on in that time span?

David