check out this video (brown out problem?) IT IS STATIC!

[Finless]

Chas, any chance you can make a post in the lockout sticky? e.g. just make one post and put your Youtube video links in. This way it will be up top for all to find later. I know that is extra work but I think this is important stuff man.....

Hehehe anti-static spray... I guess that shows Aberdeen even more proof! Not sure why he has been so dead set against any other possibilities of issues other than his ESC ground mod WHICH by the way probably was not the root cause. This issue was!
I have yet to do that mod and still have no problems probably because I lubed my belt day one.

Bob

[ChasHeliCop]

Bob, I didn't do his mod either. Personally, I felt the ESC mod was simply a way to give the static charge a path to dissipate. just like anyone working with computers knows to ground hisself before touching the circuit boards..... ummmm, static ! I never said anything before, cause I thought I would get bashed. ask JC, i think I told him about this a couple of weeks ago. Sure, no problem posting to the sticky, think I will wait for the 500 vid to finish loading first.

[Finless]

Thanks Chas! The basher is gone so no worries now ;)

Bob

[warpspeed]

LOL. Sometimes common sense isn't common. I never considered the gears.
Rick

What's interesting is just how MUCH ESD is getting to the gears! Dosen't this pretty much leave us back at square one-grounding the boom/pulleys? Lube appears to be a perfectly acceptable bandage but a permanent fix would be nice. Has anyone tried using some sort of 'wiper' dragging on the pulley shaft and grounded to the frame? 'Course as Chas mentioned that probably would have the same effect as the esc mod-just a different path.

Just ignore me-thinking out loud here. Definitely interested to see the next vid!

[rdlohr]

I understand probably half of the high tech mumbo jumbo that has been going on with the fixes to the ESD. All i can say is that i am glad everyone here is respectful regardless of how much knowledge one has or contributes. Arberdeen may be smart, correct, incorrect, better than "Finless and his Puppet Fireup" but that is just wrong to put that on a World Forum. It just shows how childish he is no matter what or what isn't in his head. I am glad the Admins did what they did because it is the right thing to do. I would rather shave with a dull knife before a vasectomy then to listen to his comments. Then again, I am contributing by replying.


Don't worry about shaving with a dull knife. From what I have seen Aber say, he is NOT the sharp knife he thinks he is. Your fellow freaks are on the cutting edge here.

Rick

[rdlohr]

The 450 doesn't show anything on the boom because as some have said it is electrically connected to the frame and thus cannot build up a potential.

Bob

Seems to me you could take that conductive ink pen that I saw in another post and run beads between the two halves of the boom block that would electrically connect the bearings from the front pully to the boom. You could additionally even electrically connect this circuit to the frame.

Not sure if connecting the bearings is good enough or if a wiper is required ...

Rick

[ChasHeliCop]

Ok, I just ran two packs, interesting development. After Flying, sitting on the bench, I ran the Voltage detector around the entire edge of the frame and inside the frame and it's picking up a charge. This would explain why the ESC mod had some good effects. The gears are not the only problem, it's two fold. The gears are generating an ESD and the Belt is also generating a charge. After flight, with the static treatment, the gears are NOT showing a charge, but the boom block is, as well as the boom and tail section. 500 video is at 96%, so it will be coming shortly.

http://a1061.g.akamai.net/7/1061/5412/home/www.walgreens.com/dbimagecache/388511.jpg

[warpspeed]

My wife is going to laugh her ass off when she see's that.....

[JC]

... I never said anything before, cause I thought I would get bashed. ask JC, i think I told him about this a couple of weeks ago.Yea it was just about the time Aberboy was doing his best to get the boot, Chas & I had a conversation about this. His videos weren't done yet though. Nice work Walker. :thumbup:

With that Static Guard, your heli will smell good too. :YeaBaby:

[ChasHeliCop]

Ok, so here's what you have been so patiently waiting for..........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCT6fcIh4Wc

tCT6fcIh4Wc

[DenisFerrari]

Excellent video! So, what lube did you use? Syntetic oil? Silicon spray? Or what? and also, did you ground something so far?

[ChasHeliCop]

I must note, this stuff says extremely flammable. Use with caution, especially around anything producing sparks. ........and probably contains something that causes cancer in CA. hehehe

[ChasHeliCop]

Excellent video! So, what lube did you use? Syntetic oil? Silicon spray? Or what? and also, did you ground something so far?

Denis, see post #82 above, I just put "Static Guard" on the gears. And no, I have not done the ESC Mod or any grounding yet.

[th3tick]

Youtube is saying that last video is no longer available? :confused:

EDIT: All better now.

[ChasHeliCop]

That's odd, let me see what I can find out. Hope I don't have to upload that again.

[Iwreckhelis]

You mentioned that static guard is really flammable. I can back that up. I use it as a fuel in potato launchers that shoot 1000+ feet. Be really careful around ESD sources like the tail belt and main gear unless you want a Hindenburg effect.

[ChasHeliCop]

It appears the last video was pulled. Hmmm, I am uploading AGAIN.... that took forever ! Check back later.

[rdlohr]

So, it seems pretty certain that we have two separate sources of ESD, the gears and the tail.

[ChasHeliCop]

Ok, the video is up and running again. I think the common factor between the two, the tail drive gear is the culprit !

[torkboy]

Great great videos!

Question is, how to make a permanet fix.:thinking

[t-rexn8]

So as it stands, is there a simple solution besides the TT?

[ChasHeliCop]

Not as far as I am concerned, all we have so far is a bandaid. I am going to try to remove the entire tail, boom block and all tonight, then sppol it up to see what lights up. This should tell us if the drive gear is a possible solution. Cross your fingers.

[th3tick]

So as it stands, is there a simple solution besides the TT?

And given what ChasHeliCop has shown, a torque tube, with its own gears, may also not be a solution, but yet another cause.

I now have two remaining questions:

1) How long does the Static Guard last?
2) Is it the motor/main gear or the main gear/tail drive that's causing it?

Good work on the video! I wonder if it would have gone away only applying it to the upper main gear, or the lower, both, etc.

John

[bobby619]

The 450 doesn't show anything on the boom because as some have said it is electrically connected to the frame and thus cannot build up a potential.



Sorry for the noob questions...

Will the metal boom blocks electrically connect the main gear to the frame? Thus, disapating the static build up?

[Justin911]

i went out and flew 5 packs today with out a single problem.. I was using a 9ch JR 2.4 receiver that I borrowed from my buddy and i sprayed the belt through the tail case holes with WD40 before every flight. A local pilot that is a pro flies a 500 and has around 50 flights on his bird so far. he is flying with the AR7000 and sprays his belt before every flight with wd40 to lube it up and he hasn't had a problem yet! we will see how this works for me.