Slow start

[Charlie R]

I am having an intermittent problem with the soft start on my Ion . I was doing autos ,after I landed I hit ideal up and heli went to full speed
instantly ,as it did 2 blinding fast pirouettes .. WOW ... I then did 3
more autos all went as it should , then it did the same thing .. It scary
how fast it can spool up!
So I put it in the truck before I hurt it or it hurt me !!
Everything else works great .. Is the speed controller about to take a DUMP ??? Any ideas ??
Charlie R

[misskimo]

hey , one thing to remember , when starting up , do it the first time and it will sofestart , never try to fire it up again , unplug and start over , thats the bad thing about the hacker esc , thats why I dont use it ,
what esc do you have ? is it a hacker 77 O- H if so MA programs it for softstart , and RTR
better take a look at the tail bevel gear above the main gear , it will strip out during this faulty esc problem , and if you are doing autos , never start it back up either ,
schulze is a great controller

Tony

[simon109]

Do you have to uplug it or is it ok to start back up as long as the blades have stopped ?

Simon.

[misskimo]

well you can do that , but Im a bit on the safe side , and start over , but then again I use the schulzes now ,

Tony

[MinAirChris]

The Hacker 77's will only enter or re-enter the slow start portion of their programming if the motor is at a COMPLETE stop. If the motor is turning and you flip out of throttle hold, it will apply instant and very nearly full power, which can lead to stripped gears or the controller being reduced to slag and maybe other parts of your heli too.

If you want to set the heli up to be able to abort autos you may want to try setting your throttle hold up so that it does not turn completely off, say down to 10 or 20%. Then make sure that when you abort the auto you go back into normal and not idle up. This way you can at least partially feather up the throttle.

Chris

[DavidH]

I was doing autos ,after I landed I hit ideal up and heli went to full speed
instantly

A glow motor heli will do the same thing. You auto it and then hit idle up, it is going to full power or what ever the idle up throttle curve is set to for the stick position.

Don't see why an electric would be any different.

David

[misskimo]

well , glow engine has a slight lag to full throttle , electrics is like right now , its at full throttle no lag

[Darren S]

so how are most of you guys setting up the ion ? with the throttle hold setting as Chris suggested so that you can abort the auto, or with the auto, full stop and then go again.

thanks, darren

[misskimo]

if you do a auto , its a one time deal and then wait till the motor stops turning , or use a schulze like I do , which it still softstarts

Tony

[Russ McC]

hey , one thing to remember , when starting up , do it the first time and it will sofestart , never try to fire it up again , unplug and start over , thats the bad thing about the hacker esc , thats why I dont use it ,
what esc do you have ? is it a hacker 77 O- H if so MA programs it for softstart , and RTR
better take a look at the tail bevel gear above the main gear , it will strip out during this faulty esc problem , and if you are doing autos , never start it back up either ,
schulze is a great controller

Tony, Man it gets hard to hear you keep pushing this Schultz controller at 4 or $500 and kind of bashing the Hacker controller. I am sure the Schultz is great but it is expensive and heavy and big. None of what you are saying about the Hacker is correct, never restart your model after you auto or otherwise turn the throttle off? This is not correct at all. Faulty ESC problem? It is not faulty because the operator did not realize that the motor needs to be at a stop for the soft start function to work. If you want to run more then 10 series or reduce your throttle below 80% then the Schultz might be the answer but for most of us who just want to go out and tear up the sky then the Hacker is very good, small, light and a lot less expensive.

Electric is different then glow, if your motor comes to a stop during your auto then you can just release hold right into idle up and you will get a soft start every time. As long as your motor has stopped then there is no issue with going into idle up for a soft start

If your model is new and the split gear is tight then the tight split gear is probably keeping your motor spinning causing you to have no soft start, look at your outer main gear after landing an auto, if it is spinning then restart in normal and bring up the power slow because there is no soft start. If your outer gear is stopped then it is safe to start in idle up for a soft start. After some use your split gear will loosen up and let your motor stop during autos. This is assuming you have the Hacker controller provided with the model.

As for my auto set up, I just have the throttle turn off in hold and land every one of my autos without exception; if you are not comfortable with this then what Chris described might be what you want to try.

[misskimo]

:shock: Hey russ , I will not use a hacker no more , once bitten twice shy , and you dont have to get the big schulze , get the little one , or you can stick with the hacker , but IM not , to me thats like looking at a crack down your blade and saying it will make it one more flight , Im going to keep on bashing the hell out of it till they fix this problem , and the schulze even if the motor is still turning will fire back up in softstart , so why worry or wonder when you flip the switch,
Russ if you dont like it , blow it out your :badair: :mrgreen: I think it can be fixed and wondering why it hasnt been fixed.

Tony

[MinAirChris]

You guys play nice!

That all said, I fly like Russ too. Tht is to say, I complete every auto and actually look to see if the motor has stopped before I power back up. The advice I gave above shoul dbe considered experimental as I have not tried it myself, in theory, it should work but proceed with caution.

And oh yeah, that Schultze pop tart is like $650....

Chris

[simon109]

If you want to set the heli up to be able to abort autos you may want to try setting your throttle hold up so that it does not turn completely off, say down to 10 or 20%

I was doing this the other day my Kontronic on my 3dmp, I had the throttle hold set at 20% the heli would just about hover, its a good way to practice auto's. Any lower than 20% the motor would not run.

I never tried it with the Ion, just set it to 0% and went for it :badair: but it was even easier than the mp plenty of reserve left in the blades.

Simon.

[Russ McC]

or you can stick with the hacker , but IM not , to me thats like looking at a crack down your blade and saying it will make it one more flight , Im going to keep on bashing the hell out of it till they fix this problem

Tony,

I guys I am missing something hear, I was not trying to upset you, just trying to give this guy the correct information so he could make proper use of the controller he has, your explanation of how the controller works or should be used is just not correct and could not help him use it and understand how it works.

I don’t understand your quote above, so you’re saying I and others are stupid/unwise for using this controller as if it is some how so bad it is like flying with a blade we know is broken? My two Hacker controllers have been working exactly as Hacker described they would work in there instructions for over a year and many hundreds of flights. These controllers may operate differently then other controllers but that does not mean they are unfit for duty, you just have to operate them accordingly. Is this different operation what you are displeased about or did you have a controller that did not operate correctly as per the instructions?

Any way I would never tell you not to use the Schultz, I am sure it is a good unit, just trying to help people use there products correctly that I also use when they ask questions about these products. I also try never to badmouth the products they are asking about, they paid good money for them and hate to hear how someone else thinks they are unusable, in this case the product has worked well for me and many others as described so why should it be bashed anyway. If you had one malfunction then I understand but this is the exception not the norm.

[misskimo]

Hey , Russ , well I can understand where you are coming from , and yes most 90% of the fellow pilots might get used to the way a hacker works , but if 100% would use it without the worry of it starting back up at 100% throttle would be the best little esc on the market , and no Im not calling anyone stupid , but to let them know what not to do , I had a logo 10 do this 2 years ago , my buddies hawk , and his litttle ep concept went full throttle went 100% with a tad throttle , and the motor was at a stop on my logo , then hearing on these forums of fellow pilots having problems with the bypass softstart, and then my cuz on 2 mishaps with the Ion go wideopen with little throttle , so I know that people can make mistakes and it would be easier if the "grip" (miltary way of saying it ) could be eliminated
100% bullit prof , so whats wrong with asking for that? why deal with it when we could ask them to fix it , some of the fellows might get out of electrics just because of that , seen them do it for other simple reasons , and the my way of thinking is different than most , because I make sure , 100% it will fire up in softstart, unplug and plug back up , thats just me , it makes my brain relax some , but once its up and running I dont worry none , like Chris says , theres nothing out there that this esc will run , if they can fine tune it , will be best , is all

Tony

[Russ McC]

Ok

[misskimo]

hey , Russ , I can also see after reading what I said sure makes me look like a jerk , or a know it all , Im going to have to work on that :arggg: , and if I see fellows having this type of problem, I will give them your way of starting it since its 100% a softstart your way,
but I did go alittle farther today , called up Shawn P today and asked a pile of questions , and hes working on getting them to change the programing on the esc , and it looks like from what I gather , that the new HV controller will be like the schulze , so they are listen , thanks to Chris on that one , and a pile of other fellows too , but he also said , that useing the prog box you can help it by feeding in the slower softstart will slow it down some if you make the mistake of throttling back up , and what Chris said too Shawn said, go to about 20 to 25% on throttle hold but watch the bleeding headspeed , nice fellow to talk with , and cant wait to see the outrunner motors , next year for the Ion , and maybe a peak at one soon for a Ion 50 and the logo 14 , way cool , I do like to here problems getting solved , but I can see it takes time

Tony

[Russ McC]

Don’t worry about it Tony, Maybe I come off to strong also, I tried not to, sorry.

I do understand now what your pushing for, soft start weather the motor is turning or not so the operator can’t screw up and hot start it, this would be better. I have heard the new Hacker out runner is cool, will be fun to try it when it becomes available.

[misskimo]

hey , dont sweat it , its no biggy , maybe I need to slow down and word it better , family life and no time , I can get so far off track that I have problems rereading it myself :glasses2:
going to IRCHA this year?