Hyperion EOS0610i Duo

[rasjax]

I just picked up the Hyperion (http://www.rcuniverse.com/buynow/keywordclick.cfm?bid_id=3405) EOS0610i Duo, but just noticed it doesnt have an AC plug. What is the best way to rig this up to a AC wall outlet??

The specs say it can do up to 10 amps at 44.4 volts. With a 10A 180W limit per power port. So I found this one... You think this should work?? :confused:

http://www.voltage-converter-transformers.com/mycgi/voltage-converter-transformers/catalogs/images/products-small/light-1763.jpg

DF 1763 AC TO DC CONVERTER
This unit converts from AC to 13.8V DC Power. Ideal for household transceiver, automobile/mobile equipment, and portable equipment.

Input Voltage: 110V AC or 220V AC
10% Load Regulation
Output Current: 10A
Applies Current Limit Short Circuit protection for DC output.
5% Voltage Regulation
Current Limit Protector for AC Input
One Hour Continuous Working Time

http://www.voltage-converter-transformers.com/heavy-duty-voltage-converter.html (http://www.voltage-converter-transformers.com/heavy-duty-voltage-converter.html)

Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated.

[mjws]

The specs on the DUO are:
Wide Voltage Input Range 11v~28v for higher efficiency when charging high-voltage packs, and compatibility with a wider selection of AC/DC power suppliesTo find the current you will need to run the charger at full capacity just divide 400 (360 + overhead) by your input voltage. So at 13.8V you need roughly 29A. The 10A unit isn't even close.

I run mine off a deep cycle in parallel with a pb charger. I also have a pair of PC power supplies I can run in series that are adequate. But that takes a little knowledge and research.

If I was buying off the shelf I'd look for 15V or more (likely 24V) to cut the current requirements and costs. The cheaper units will struggle to supply this beast. That said if you are only charging smaller packs and not really putting the DUO to work, something smaller will be fine. You can even program the DUO to limit it's draw on the supply if you wish.

Good Luck. You'll love this thing.

Mike

[kgfly]

The Hyperion chargers (1210i, 0610iNET, 0610iDUO) all require a minimum of 15V input to be able to run up to their full rated output power. They *will* work using a 12V or 13.8V supply, but simply won't be able to give their full output power. If you don't need the full output power then a 13.8V bench supply will do.

For the 0610iNET the manual recommends at least a 350W power supply so for the DUO I would think 500W would be best. 500W/15V = 33A. So ideally you want a 15V supply rated for 30A or more.

[rasjax]

For the 0610iNET the manual recommends at least a 350W power supply so for the DUO I would think 500W would be best. 500W/15V = 33A. So ideally you want a 15V supply rated for 30A or more.

Well thats good to know, since I do plan on charging both my batteries at the same time and probably will need as much power as I can. I went ahead and placed an order for a 30A one.


http://www.rckenon.com/public_html/shop2/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=67_76&products_id=2811

Input Voltage: AC110V~220V
Output Voltage: DC 13.8V
Output Current: 0~30A
Instant Output Current: 55A
Dimension: 33cm x 6 cm x 15 cm

[gatorbait450]

If you want a 500 watt power supply that runs on 120vac wouldn't that be 4.16 amps on the ac input side and 36 amps on the 13.8 vdc output side?

Ron

[kgfly]

The Hyperion chargers (1210i, 0610iNET, 0610iDUO) all require a minimum of 15V input to be able to run up to their full rated output power. They *will* work using a 12V or 13.8V supply, but simply won't be able to give their full output power. If you don't need the full output power then a 13.8V bench supply will do.

For the 0610iNET the manual recommends at least a 350W power supply so for the DUO I would think 500W would be best. 500W/15V = 33A. So ideally you want a 15V supply rated for 30A or more.

That is a 13.8V/30A supply = 414W output. See red note above. With the 13.8V power supply you probably will not be able to get the full 180W/port output on both ports at the same time. At a guess the charger input stage is limited to 20-25A and at 80% efficiency you would get about 140W/port output which for 6s means about 6A max charge current.

[RexChop]

I use a 28 volt 13 amp PS from blmotorking through e-bay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/24v-Power-Supply-27v-dc-13A-Adjustable-5-24vdc_W0QQitemZ320125104669QQihZ011QQcategoryZ5828 6QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l126 2

Mine works great, I crank it up to 28 volts using the limit pot and it can charge my FP 6s 5000 in 30 min with my 0610i.

[kgfly]

Here is another eBay candidate, 11-18V/540W, about $100: http://cgi.ebay.com/540W-11-18V-30A-ADJ-Switching-Power-Supply-RADIO-CCTV_W0QQitemZ260214092234QQihZ016QQcategoryZ48636 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[rasjax]

Hmm... but if the max charge rate per battery port is 180W, and one 6S 22.2V battery needs to be charged, the max amp is 8A (180/22.2). If you have two at 360W running two 6S batteries (44.4V total) then you have 360W/44.4V = 8A as well right?

The duo clearly states in the specs:

"Two built-in Hyperion LBA10/300 Balancers with 10A max rating"
"Up to 8A@ 6S per port (180W Max), or 8A @ 12S (360W max) in Duo Mode."
"Charge rates are possible even with the largest 6S packs, with up to 8 A @ 22.2V (6S) or even up to 8A @ 44.4V (12S)"

So how it is I need 500W, 30A, and 15V powe supply? Based on that information from Hyperion, I'm confused even more now.

[RexChop]

We're just saying that a higher voltage power supply will charge a 6S pack easier and more efficient than a 12 volt power supply. Having a 500W PS is not a bad thing anyway, then you can hook 2 chargers to it! ;)

[kgfly]

So how it is I need 500W, 30A, and 15V powe supply? Based on that information from Hyperion, I'm confused even more now.

a) Because the Mfr says it is required. The DUO clearly states in the specs: "When charging high voltage batteries at high current (charger output 360W) the AC/DC power supply should be 15V minimum..."

b) You have to allow for less than 100% efficiency in the charger (80% is a reasonable guideline). Hence 360W output requires 360/0.8 = 450W input.

c) You have to allow for the PS to run below full output all the time or it won't last (10% headroom at least). Hence 450/0.9 = 500W

d) Did I mention that the Mfr specification is for a minimum of 15V for high power usage ? This relates to the max allowable input current.

[mjws]

Yep. Pretty good reason the manual recommends a 15V 40A (600w) power supply.It felt like pretty significant overkill for me, but by the time you take inefficiency of the charger into account, and allow some overhead for the power supply to breathe... it isn't really out of line.

You have to consider whether you will really be asking for 6S at a full 8A from the charger on both ports. Charging A123's I'd gladly take more power, but even a 12s 3700mah rig charging at 2C doesn't tap that...

A good PS isn't really a purchase you'll regret but there are many ways to skin this cat.

Mike

[kgfly]

BTW - If it is for a DUO then you can get a 24V/25A supply and keep the losses to a minimum.

[tkbr0wn]

Not knowing any better, I bought this a month or so ago thinking it was plenty....

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?parentPage=search&summary=summary&cp=&productId=2103961&accessories=accessories&kw=power+supply&techSpecs=techSpecs&currentTab=techSpecs&custRatings=custRatings&sr=1&features=features&origkw=Power+supply&support=support&tab=summary


Do I need to sell it and get something beefier? I am charging (2) EvoLite 6S 2500 mah batteries simultaneously at 1C.

Thx!

[HPSOV2]

The great thing about this charger is you can tell it what your power supply is capable of. For anyone who doesn't have the full 40A supply simply tell the charger what you have, and it will limit the charge current as required to not ask too much of your power supply.

I only have a 13.8v 20A supply, but that is plenty for what I need, there is no need to get the 15v 40A supply unless you really need all that power.

tkbr0wn- To charge two 6S 2500 at 1C means the total output will be 25.2v at 5A, which is 126 watts. If your power supply is 13.8v at 25A (thats what the specs in your link say) thats 345 watts. So you have way more power than you need. Even at 2C you would be looking at an ouput of 252 watts, which would still be fine after taking into account less than 100% efficiency.

[Rototerrier]

sorry, wrong topic. Removing...

[tkbr0wn]

The great thing about this charger is you can tell it what your power supply is capable of. For anyone who doesn't have the full 40A supply simply tell the charger what you have, and it will limit the charge current as required to not ask too much of your power supply.

I only have a 13.8v 20A supply, but that is plenty for what I need, there is no need to get the 15v 40A supply unless you really need all that power.

tkbr0wn- To charge two 6S 2500 at 1C means the total output will be 25.2v at 5A, which is 126 watts. If your power supply is 13.8v at 25A (thats what the specs in your link say) thats 345 watts. So you have way more power than you need. Even at 2C you would be looking at an ouput of 252 watts, which would still be fine after taking into account less than 100% efficiency.


Thats what I needed to hear.... Thanks!

[rasjax]

The great thing about this charger is you can tell it what your power supply is capable of. For anyone who doesn't have the full 40A supply simply tell the charger what you have, and it will limit the charge current as required to not ask too much of your power supply.

Yeah, I figured that out. However, in the process I manged to blow the fuse on my wall outlet and now need an electrician to come out and fix it. Oh fun... :arggg:

[808v2]

hi Im a noob and i purchased this charger and had a question about my power supply. I was told it would work with my lrp 14amp power supply. heres a link to the power supply I have

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXLGF3&P=7

is this enough to charge two 3s 2170mah flight power packs at the same time? another thing is I plan to upgrade to a trex600 and wanted to know if this power supply will allow me to charge two 6s lipos for the trex600.

thanks guys

ps I tried to find out where all these watts and volts are coming from but have no clue as to how they are derived.

[HPSOV2]

hi Im a noob and i purchased this charger and had a question about my power supply. I was told it would work with my lrp 14amp power supply. heres a link to the power supply I have

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXLGF3&P=7

is this enough to charge two 3s 2170mah flight power packs at the same time? another thing is I plan to upgrade to a trex600 and wanted to know if this power supply will allow me to charge two 6s lipos for the trex600.

thanks guys

ps I tried to find out where all these watts and volts are coming from but have no clue as to how they are derived.


Watts is equal to Volts multiplied by Amps.
Your power supply is 13.8v at 14A, so 193 watts (13.8 x 14).
Your output will be two channels of 2.2A, so a total of 4.4A at 12.6v (this being the maximum charge voltage of a 3S pack). Thats 55 watts, so you have more than 3 times what you need.

The Trex600 will use 6S 4900 packs I think. To charge 2 of them at 1C the output will be 247 watts, so no, you wouldn't have enough for that. You would get away with one 6S pack and one of your 3S packs at the same time.

[kgfly]

For lipo charging the power demands are not quite as much as it would seem since the CCCV charge profile never applies max current at max amps. A good estimate of required output power is no_of_cells x 3.85 x current.

You also have to allow for less than 100% efficiency in the charger, usually 80% is a good guideline. So to estimate how much input power = output_power / 0.80

Finally you don't want to be running most power supplies at the maximum rated output all the time, they tend not to perform well and fail early. So allow at least 10% headroom. So to estimate what power supply output is needed = input_power x 1.10

Putting this together:

Required Power Supply rating
= no_of_cells x current x 3.85 x 1.10 / 0.80
= no_cells x current x 5.3

So for:

3s 2200 = 35W
6s 4900 = 156W

Hence your 193W power supply can easily support the DUO charging 2 x 3s 2200 @ 1C (70W), or 1 x 6s 4900 @1C (156W) or one of each (191W).

Same answer as HPSOV2 just using a more detailed model ;)

[808v2]

thanks guys that really helped me understand what i need to be looking at and how to figure things out.