2 TP1010C/210 or 1 Hyperion 0610i DUO

[Rototerrier]

I already have a TP1010C & 210 Combo. Would you guys who have used or experienced either it or the Hyperion suggest getting another 1010/210 and using 2 1010s or purchasing 1 610 Duo?

I am not concerned about price, I am only interested in features and capabilities here... whats better 2 1010/210's or the 1 610 Duo for charging 6s 2500s

I have read that the 610 has a 2C limit. I sometimes charge at 3C with my 1010...this is difinitely an issue if that's true. My 1010 is pretty awsome and I am thinking of getting another. Just want some opinions and it seems like this thread is the appropriate topic for it.

I just need to charge 2 batteries at once!!
I already have a 35a Power supply, so I can push either configuration without a problem.

[cdrking]

I am in the same boat, I would like to get some input on this too. I need to charge two 6S packs at the same time.

I too like the 1010 and like the reliability of it and the user friendliness of it.

Thanks,

Jeff

[Skiddz]

I went the 2x 1010/210 route myself. Easily twice as expensive as the Hyperion setup, but I like the ability to do firmware updates. My neighbor has the Hyperion 1210i rig and he's able to charge 2 6S packs at the same time, but I don't know what rate he can maintain. I believe he's got a Fromeco power supply.

I run that Radio shack 13.8v, 25A supply and can run 2 6S packs at about 1.5C each. I can charge 4 3S packs at 2C no problem and if I cobbled up a new charge harness and a balance adapter, I could probably manage 6 3S packs at once. :)

[Rototerrier]

I suppose I could get the Hyperion and that would give me 3 chargers, but I am so afraid of the 2C barrier. Lipos are getting better every day and 3C charging is no longer out of the question.

[rocketmannc]

SKIDDZ,

The Duo has the capability to connect to a PC and has FREE firmware upgrades.

[Smiky]

I'm curious as to why a 2C charge rate would put you off? This quote from my DUO manual.

If 2C is Good, Why not 3C? 2C is the sensible limit for fast charging lithium polymer. Due to the CC/CV nature of the lithium charging process, the returns from increasing charge rate diminish very quickly after 2C. That is, total charge time is only a couple minutes shorter at 3C compared to 2C, yet initial charge rate has to increase 50% for that small gain. Given this, the risk/benefit equation lands squarely on the side of 2C max rates. Additionally, since many batteries are not capable of charging reliably past 2C, chargers which do allow 3C charging are much more likely to cause damage to batteries, or even accidents. It is simply too easy to make a mistake with the Charge Rate setting, and there are no electronic safeguards which can be reliably employed against making such a mistake.

Mike

[Skiddz]

SKIDDZ,

The Duo has the capability to connect to a PC and has FREE firmware upgrades.

As opposed to the 1010's ability to connect to a PC for it's FREE firmware upgrades? :YeaBaby:

maybe I should buy one so I could charge 4 6S packs at a time.... hehehe

[HELINHAWAII]

I'm curious as to why a 2C charge rate would put you off? This quote from my DUO manual.

If 2C is Good, Why not 3C? 2C is the sensible limit for fast charging lithium polymer. Due to the CC/CV nature of the lithium charging process, the returns from increasing charge rate diminish very quickly after 2C. That is, total charge time is only a couple minutes shorter at 3C compared to 2C, yet initial charge rate has to increase 50% for that small gain. Given this, the risk/benefit equation lands squarely on the side of 2C max rates. Additionally, since many batteries are not capable of charging reliably past 2C, chargers which do allow 3C charging are much more likely to cause damage to batteries, or even accidents. It is simply too easy to make a mistake with the Charge Rate setting, and there are no electronic safeguards which can be reliably employed against making such a mistake.

Mike


Well of course! The competitions charger charges at 3C and at that rate "you're much more likely to damage the batteries." I dunno man, I've charged a 1000mah 2S at 4 amps for 4-5 months now and the pack is as good as it was after the break-in. That's 4C charging. I am a Cellpro 4S owner and I gotta say I love it. Have the 10S on order but I'm getting tired of waiting. Thinking about the DUO but I'm not sure.

[Rototerrier]

If you fast charge at 3C is a little quicker. And at 4C, even quicker. So if you are impatient..faster charge rates are great.

The DUO is a fine machine. I have been running it for a week now and it really does well. 30-34 minutes to charge 2 6s 2500s at 2C. Very nice I must say.

But, when you are configuring the Lipo for charge you tell it what mah the lipo is. It them only allows you to run up to 2C based on that number. Again, I haven't tried it yet because 2C @ 30 minutes aint bad...but I am going to run up the mah on the battery setting and see if it will pump out more amps in charge rate.

I am guessing it will do it. I will report back when I get home later to try it out.

[mjws]

You can lie to the DUO if you must. That was the first thing I did to the 1210 when I got it. DUO works the same. There aren't many gains to be had at 3C+. The CV portion of the charge can not be sped up so the higher rates only cut a couple minutes. Not worth the risk and wear on the cells, imho.

Lovin' the duo here.

Mike

[kgfly]

I am not concerned about price, I am only interested in features and capabilities here... whats better 2 1010/210's or the 1 610 Duo for charging 6s 2500s

Other than the rats-nest of cables, the pair of 1010C/210V setups is without doubt more capable in every way than the 610iDUO. Whether you need/use the extra capability is another question.

The double 1010C/210V setup is better because:
* 2s-10s per port (vs 2s-6s)
* 220W per port (vs 180W)
* Discharge and cyle features (vs neither)
* Much better LCD (the LCD on the 610 is crap, poor contrast and terrible angle of view, if your not right above it you cannot read it)
* Separate display and controls for each port
* Simple to do 7s-10s packs
* If one fails you still have the other one
* User tests prove it will operate to over 200W output on 11V input (vs around 150W on 12V, rising to 180W on 15V)
* It is red so of course it goes faster ;)

The DUO is better because:
* More compact and convenient. One box and no interconnect cables vs four boxes and lots of cables
* More balance-port adapters (adapters for the 210V for packs that don't have FP/TP-style balance plugs are hard to find)
* In "Synch" mode can charge and balance up to 12s but it is a little more complex once you go over 6s
* A lot cheaper ($270 vs $560-600)

So, if the biggest packs you want to charge are 6s 2500 at 3C then the output power isn't an issue (you only need 120W output at 2C or 175W at 3C) and since you already have one 1010C/210V setup to cover discharging, charging at 220W or charging packs bigger than 6s, you can spend only $270 on the DUO and end up with three chargers. Plus have the convenience of the DUO for taking to the field for dual port charging with minimum mess and fuss.