Where to Purchase Hyperion 610 Duo? Hook me up freaks!!

[Rototerrier]

I just grabbed 2 more Align 2500s and am needing to add another charger to my fleet. Going to go for the Hyperion Duo. This will allow me to charge 3 at once.

Seems there is a bit of price fixing going on out there. Everyone is asking 269 for the thing. Anyone have any tricks, tips, advise on who to purchase this beast from?

Thanks

[tkbr0wn]

I got mine from http://www.allerc.com/ great service and quick shipping.

[heartnspirit]

Amainhobbies.com is where I got both of mine.
Hyperion EOS 0610i Net Li/NiMH/A123 Balancing Charger (6S/10A/250W) (http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_info.php/cPath/2_389_390/products_id/18362)

[tkbr0wn]

+1 on AMain.... Kendall is a great guy! Great Service there as well.

If I would have known he sold Hyperions, I would have ordered there.

[Rototerrier]

That doesn't help me out on the price really. I suppose that's where I will order though. I prefer Readyheli because we are both on the east coast...get things in 2 days. But, they don't carry this charger.

[rstacy]

Get it from allerc. It will be worth the wait. This charger rocks!

Is MAP pricing really price fixing or just a program designed to help the LHS stay in the game? ;)

[Rototerrier]

LHS are irrelevant in my neck of the woods...fayetteville, GA. They ALL suffer from HorizonHobby syndrome. If HH doesn't supply it, they don't carry it (Blade 400 or TRex..hmmm, that's a tough call). The only thing I get from the LHS is glue, pushrods, screws, bolts and other fasteners. A bit off topic.

Anyway, does this charger rock relative to something you have experience with? I have a TP1010C and it rocks. I just don't think 500 worth of 2 1010C's is cool when this DUO does it for 269.

I ordered it this morning and will wait and see before I decide if I want to sell my 1010. I might keep them all...who knows.

[rstacy]

LHS are irrelevant in my neck of the woods...fayetteville, GA. They ALL suffer from HorizonHobby syndrome. If HH doesn't supply it, they don't carry it (Blade 400 or TRex..hmmm, that's a tough call). The only thing I get from the LHS is glue, pushrods, screws, bolts and other fasteners. A bit off topic.

Understood but not the same everywhere.

Anyway, does this charger rock relative to something you have experience with? I have a TP1010C and it rocks. I just don't think 500 worth of 2 1010C's is cool when this DUO does it for 269.

I ordered it this morning and will wait and see before I decide if I want to sell my 1010. I might keep them all...who knows.

Ill do my best to not sound like a sales commercial here ;)
I own 2 of the Duos and sold my 1010 which I hardly ever used. Originally I like the Duo's main feature of being able to do 2 packs at the same time but now the internal balancer is my favorite feature. I have two balancer adapters required to do the different packs that I fly.
It took me about 30 minutes to get used to the menu structure. I can fly through it pretty fast now.
The back lit display is nice.

[Rototerrier]

That's what I gather around the forums. I inquired at my LHS about this issue about a week ago and got the old, "I don't handle the ordering" line. I guess HH caters to the Average Joe'RCer and that must be the best way to make money.

Is there a contract you must sign with Horizon that says you can't sell competing brands? I would love to know what the deal is with that. This is way off topic...I might post this elsewhere.

Anyway, back on topic and one more question for you. Did you stop using the 1010 because you didn't need to charge 3 at once or is the DUO somehow better? I couldn't imagine it would charge faster or produce a better quality charge nor could I imagine it would balance any better than the 210 balancer. That thing goes out 3 decimals and is typically never off on my Lipos more than .015.

Sooo, given that money weren't an issue and you didn't have to sell the 1010 and had a load of lipos to charge...would you have continued using the 1010 or still sold it?

[stew007]

I'm very impressed with the DUO so far, the fact that it can charge and balance up to 12 cells in one go, either as 2 separate 6s packs, or up to a single 12s pack. I can balance/charge 4 3s trex packs at 1 go, or 2 6s packs, so ideal for the trex 500, More time flying and less time spent waiting around for batts to charge.

[Greg Alderman]

Rototerrier, We also have the Duo in stock right now...just checked...5 left...

we ship from Boston...so can ship today and have for Saturday!

http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?products_id=6348

or we have the single charger in stock...

http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?products_id=6349

Best Regards!

[docjoe]

That charger is very compelling. I have an Astro 109 and a TP 1010 but this could take the place of both of these. Plus, with all the electrics I have, it would really make my day at the field go much smoother when flying all my electrics.

[Socal500]

I have the single version but Im picking up the DUO as well. If the DUO is anything like the single.. and it should be.. I will be very pleased.

[dws6]

Do those of you that have the Duo find a need to cycle or discharge? I noticed the Duo doesn't have those features. Maybe a 1210 would be the better choice? Being able to balance charge 4 3s packs at once is very tempting.

I would like that versatility of 2-4 3S packs at once but also cycle and discharge packs if need be. I am looking for a all in one desktop charger for LiPo, Nimh, Nicd, Ld Acid ect... Any suggestions?

[stew007]

Do those of you that have the Duo find a need to cycle or discharge?

Personally, I like to discharge my lipo's in my helis ;) I've never found a need to cycle them yet. I have an old supernova that I use to cycle the last few Ni's i've got, and those are just rx/tx batts to check they are still ok. It's not something thats really essential for lipos. The Duo along with a Futaba BR-2000 Battery Checker / Discharger for your rx nicads/nimh's would be a good charging and rx/tx cycling setup.

[Rototerrier]

Mine will be here tomorrow. We shall see how well it does.

[jared_of_atlanta]

What kind of power supply (in amps) do you need to use this thing to charge two 6s batts? If it depends on charging speed, what do you need for 1amp charge? 2, 3, 4amp? Does it have a way of selecting the input power (amps) like the cell pro 10 does?

[BoysToys]

What kind of power supply (in amps) do you need to use this thing to charge two 6s batts? If it depends on charging speed, what do you need for 1amp charge? 2, 3, 4amp? Does it have a way of selecting the input power (amps) like the cell pro 10 does?

When choosing a power supply remember Volts X Amps = Watts So you figure 2 6s 2500 packs at 1C would be 44.4V X 2.5A for 111W if 100% efficient. Figure real world efficiencicy of about 80% so 111W/.8 for 138 Watts. Most power supplies work at 13.8V, so 138/13.8= 10A MINIMUM. I would look into something around 12-15A just to be safe and even larger if you want to charge at higher rates. On my 0610i it will default at 1C after you enter the capacity of your pack then you can adjust your desired charge rate up to 10A.

I have the single version but Im picking up the DUO as well. If the DUO is anything like the single.. and it should be.. I will be very pleased.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/BBates/Thread%20Animation/iagree.gif I went with the 0610i charger after using my EOS1210i for over a year without any issues. I now have two of the 0610i chargers and have been VERY happy with their performance. I bought both of mine at different times and could have saved some cash if I had gone with the duo in the first place.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/BBates/Thread%20Animation/ack2.gif Now I am looking into getting a larger power supply, around 40A and 800W, to unlock the full potential of my setup. Here is a pic of my Hyperion collection.

[2jet]

Deleted. Boys toys beat me to the post reply button:)

[jared_of_atlanta]

Why do they recommend a $300 40amp psu? For bigger capacity packs? Thanks for the help.

[BoysToys]

Why do they recommend a $300 40amp psu? For bigger capacity packs? Thanks for the help.

Well, because the charger is rated at 180W per side for a total of 360W. If you want to use the charger at max capacity you would need to divide the 360W by 13.8V that most psu supply the charger for a total of 360/13.8=26A at 100% efficiency again divide that by 80% for real world efficiency for a total of 26A/.8= 32.6A. You will probably want about 10% headroom as to not run your psu at 100% and risk overheating and damaging it so. 32.6/.9= 36A. Not quite 40A but pretty darn close.

[rasjax]

I actually had asked this question on the Lipo forum, but here is what I was told by kgfly.

The Hyperion chargers (1210i, 0610iNET, 0610iDUO) all require a minimum of 15V input to be able to run up to their full rated output power. They *will* work using a 12V or 13.8V supply, but simply won't be able to give their full output power. If you don't need the full output power then a 13.8V bench supply will do.

For the 0610iNET the manual recommends at least a 350W power supply so for the DUO I would think 500W would be best. 500W/15V = 33A. So ideally you want a 15V supply rated for 30A or more.

That is a 13.8V/30A supply = 414W output. With the 13.8V power supply you probably will not be able to get the full 180W/port output on both ports at the same time. At a guess the charger input stage is limited to 20-25A and at 80% efficiency you would get about 140W/port output which for 6s means about 6A max charge current.
The DUO clearly states in the specs: "When charging high voltage batteries at high current (charger output 360W) the AC/DC power supply should be 15V minimum..."

You have to allow for less than 100% efficiency in the charger (80% is a reasonable guideline). Hence 360W output requires 360/0.8 = 450W input.

You have to allow for the PS to run below full output all the time or it won't last (10% headroom at least). Hence 450/0.9 = 500W

For lipo charging the power demands are not quite as much as it would seem since the CCCV charge profile never applies max current at max amps. A good estimate of required output power is no_of_cells x 3.85 x current.

You also have to allow for less than 100% efficiency in the charger, usually 80% is a good guideline. So to estimate how much input power = output_power / 0.80
Finally you don't want to be running most power supplies at the maximum rated output all the time, they tend not to perform well and fail early. So allow at least 10% headroom. So to estimate what power supply output is needed = input_power x 1.10

Putting this together:

Required Power Supply rating
= no_of_cells x current x 3.85 x 1.10 / 0.80
= no_cells x current x 5.3
So for:
3s 2200 = 35W
6s 4900 = 156W

Hence your 193W power supply can easily support the DUO charging 2 x 3s 2200 @ 1C (70W), or 1 x 6s 4900 @1C (156W) or one of each (191W).

http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=62770&page=3

[Rototerrier]

I picked up a pyramid 36 (PS-36KX) many moons ago and have charged 8s at 10A and 6s at 5A+ AND had another charger hooked to it charging 4S at 3.5A and did not come close to maxing out the PS. So far I have been very happy with my pyramid.

It is also heavy enough that it would probably hold my house down if a tornado hit, but that's another issue. It was super cheap on the ebay. There are always a lot of them for sale..Power Supply and Demand...rimshot.

I don't think I will be hitting the limit anytime soon. Only running 6S 2500 and 4S 3850 packs.

[jonny_volts]

Guys show me the light!!!
I already have a 1210i which I'm selling as it is not a123 capable. Now I need to know what I need I currently have a 12v 18A supply I have the following lipos to charge 3s 1800-2200, 4s 3700-3850, 6s 2100-5000, plus I have the tx battery. Now I'm thinking its between the TP1010, eos610i x2 or the 610 duo but which one buy the two 610s and you end up with 500w max, wheras the 610 duo only gives you 360w. Help the walls are caving in.

[Rototerrier]

Lets look at your 6s largest pack and see how the DUO stacks up. Based on the largest pack numbers we can estimate the performance on the smaller packs.

1) 2C: 3.8 x 6 x 10A = 228 x 2 = 456. Not happening with the DUO
2) 1C: 3.8 x 6 x 5 = 114 x 2 = 228. That'll work
3) 1.5C 3.8 x 6 x 7.5 = 171 x 2 = 342. This is about max

If you go with the DUO then you can charge your 2 6s 5000's at just above 1.5C which is good. You will be charged in around 45 minutes. Maybe faster if not charging to 100% and using fast charge settings.

All your other packs can easily charge at 2C on the DUO

If you do not want or need to charge more than 1 lipo at a time then the 1010C/210 balancer combo or the 610s can easily charge your 6s at 10A.

The power supply will need to be atleast 12-15V 25A for the 1010C and larger for the DUO.

I am running a Pyramid 12-15v PK36 which is only rated at 32A constant and comes in at around 468watts at 15V. It should do the trick. But, since you have so many larger packs and before it's over, you might go for yet another charger, you might want to invest in a 45-50A power supply and just get it over with. If you look on ebay you can pick up a pyramid PK36-PK50 between $100-$150 based on size.

I hope this helps clear it up. You are looking at the right size chargers, you just need to get that larger power supply and you are in business. I can't make a difinitive suggestion because I love my 1010C and my DUO which was supposed to be here yesterday is having some shipping complications...might not get it till monday. I will have a much better grasp of things once I run them both side by side.

Guys show me the light!!!
I already have a 1210i which I'm selling as it is not a123 capable. Now I need to know what I need I currently have a 12v 18A supply I have the following lipos to charge 3s 1800-2200, 4s 3700-3850, 6s 2100-5000, plus I have the tx battery. Now I'm thinking its between the TP1010, eos610i x2 or the 610 duo but which one buy the two 610s and you end up with 500w max, wheras the 610 duo only gives you 360w. Help the walls are caving in.