Logo 500 3D ESC ? Castle / Jazz

[itsparks]

Some have said that jazz is better than the castle creations hv-110, some say that the Jazz 80-6-18 is good, so witch is better ? I am no where close to 3d right now, but i dont want to buy a cheap one now, then have to replace it for later, one person said that the cc is better because you can program it via usb..

They are the same price, but what one should be good ? I will be running a 5S pack 3700mah with the stock .7 main gear with a 17tooth spurgear. Only light flying rightnow.

hints suggestions ?

My new Baby :P

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[OICU812]

Jazz 80-6-18, superior quality, perfect working governor. Works up to 6S and has a high quality built in BEC. From all the escs I have used now likely over 50 in total the Kontronik Jazz have been superior to anything else. My .02 on the maatter.

[LITHIUMSTATIC]

Congratulations on your new baby!!

[itsparks]

Jazz 80-6-18, superior quality, perfect working governor. Works up to 6S and has a high quality built in BEC. From all the escs I have used now likely over 50 in total the Kontronik Jazz have been superior to anything else. My .02 on the maatter.


Do i need to buy a separate bec then too ? Ken suggested one, but if i can save 60$ woo hoo :P

[LITHIUMSTATIC]

Some servos are AMP hungry and need a separate BEC. Most servos will work great with the Jazz 80 built in BEC. What servos are you going to run?

[itsparks]

Some servos are AMP hungry and need a separate BEC. Most servos will work great with the Jazz 80 built in BEC. What servos are you going to run?

Since i am not a 3d'er yet and i wanted t start flying and learning more, i decided to use the stock spektrum servos, both ken and another flyer said this is perfect if only doing light flying, however i went to a digital servo for the tail. in a few months or less ill upgrade to all digital servos. I think the stock spektrums are, powerful DS821 digital servos with high-tech resin gears.

So do i need a separate BEC right now ? Or should i buy it when i get the better digital ones ?

[LITHIUMSTATIC]

For learning the Jazz BEC and DS821 will be fine. I've heard that servo doesn't last very long on a heli, so for just hovering and slow forward flight it should be fine.

Once you start FFF I'd upgrade to something like a 9252. It's a cheap high quality servo that has proven itself for years. Their are some very nice brushless servos for a little more money like the BLS451 & the BLS251 for the tail. If the money will allow, go Brusless in the future. These should work well with the stock Jazz BEC for sometime to come. When you start really banging the sticks then a separate BEC would be a good idea.

I think the servo that gives people problems when it comes to high current draw is the JR8717.... it's really for the very hardcore 3D guys. This servos requires a high quality separate BEC

Hope that helps.

[itsparks]

For learning the Jazz BEC and DS821 will be fine. I've heard that servo doesn't last very long on a heli, so for just hovering and slow forward flight it should be fine.

Once you start FFF I'd upgrade to something like a 9252. It's a cheap high quality servo that has proven itself for years. Their are some very nice brushless servos for a little more money like the BLS451 & the BLS251 for the tail. If the money will allow, go Brusless in the future. These should work well with the stock Jazz BEC for sometime to come. When you start really banging the sticks then a separate BEC would be a good idea.

I think the servo that gives people problems when it comes to high current draw is the JR8717.... it's really for the very hardcore 3D guys. This servos requires a high quality separate BEC

Hope that helps.


Thanks for your help,! I'll use the stockies for now, then within a month i'll order all brush less ones :)

[Finsta]

Thanks for your help,! I'll use the stockies for now, then within a month i'll order all brush less ones :)

Hey! -Nice Heli! I will be running the same one shortly. I will be running 5s as well. just be sure you DO NOT put thread lock on your servo horn screw as this will cause them to fail. Other than that, they should work perfectly fine.

[itsparks]

Hey! -Nice Heli! I will be running the same one shortly. I will be running 5s as well. just be sure you DO NOT put thread lock on your servo horn screw as this will cause them to fail. Other than that, they should work perfectly fine.

NO! i would never do that :P

[OICU812]

Until you get into hard 3D and are using very demanding servo the built in BEC of the Jazz will work 100% fine. It is rated at 4amps continuos.

[waltsr]

If one was to use a separate bec should the red wire be removed from the jazz connector.
Thanks
Dave

[Mathias]

Yes, the red wire from the ESC should be removed if you are using a separate BEC.

[itsparks]

Thanks guys, its people like all of you that help us new b's :p I certainly appreciate it.

On a side note i have been working on bob's Logo 500 Video, i have removed all the adds and stuff, they will be at the end, and i am working on compressing and putting in separate props to divide each chapter up. It would be cool to download a movie of the whole build.

[Mercuriell]

Thanks guys, its people like all of you that help us new b's :p I certainly appreciate it.

On a side note i have been working on bob's Logo 500 Video, i have removed all the adds and stuff, they will be at the end, and i am working on compressing and putting in separate props to divide each chapter up. It would be cool to download a movie of the whole build.

My videos (http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=48045)don't have ads or disclaimers :P

PS - You shouldn't edit Bob's videos without his permission ;)

[itsparks]

My videos (http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=48045)don't have ads or disclaimers :P

PS - You shouldn't edit Bob's videos without his permission ;)

only edited it for my personal use, it was alot of work watching each movie one at a time, : i will ask bob in a bit when its finished and ask for his permisson before posting it.

good video, I liked it, i just got my quote for my electronics,

6s 3700 evo 25 pack.
Jazz 80-6-18
Futaba 401-s9254 servo
15tooth main pinion gear
Neu 1910-1y motor.

Pretty happy, stuff should be here in 2 weeks after i order it. :P

[OICU812]

3700 is a pretty small 6S pack man, if you are looking at costs then consider a 4350mah evolite at least it will buy you some more flight time in around same cost.

[itsparks]

3700 is a pretty small 6S pack man, if you are looking at costs then consider a 4350mah evolite at least it will buy you some more flight time in around same cost.

Sure, but please remember i'm still learning to fly i am no where close to 3d's or any thing like that, so when i'm ready to get batteries, ill buy some 5000mah's this is just to get me going and some flight time, i don't want expensive batts right now, and no one has them in stock anyways.

Jase

[OICU812]

yea I know you are just leanring, just trying to help. What you have will work, just make sure to make your first flights low like 3-3:30 till you see how much you are pulling from the packs, obey the 80% and under rule and you will be fine with any pack.

[CatchmyCorsair]

Sure, but please remember i'm still learning to fly i am no where close to 3d's or any thing like that, so when i'm ready to get batteries, ill buy some 5000mah's this is just to get me going and some flight time, i don't want expensive batts right now, and no one has them in stock anyways.

Jase

I would get the bigger packs. Learning is all about stick time. Once you fly it you'll be kicking yourself for not getting bigger packs.

Buy once.

[itsparks]

yea I know you are just leanring, just trying to help. What you have will work, just make sure to make your first flights low like 3-3:30 till you see how much you are pulling from the packs, obey the 80% and under rule and you will be fine with any pack.

Isn't there a battery alarm i can use or put onto the heli to tell me the battery level ie a safe level or when to land ?

It's hard to find batt's GRR..!

Something like this > http://www.rcflightstore.com/product_info.php?cPath=40&products_id=865

[OICU812]

Umm mwell you could but that is not a pracitce you should get into flying lipos. You want to ensure that you do not fly over 80% of the capacity. The practice is easy, simply fly a low time say for example as stated 3 minutes, then observe the MAH you put back into the battery. If you put back in 50% obviously extend your timer by half a minute, then see where you are at, shoot for 75-80% but do not exceed 80% ever or you risk damage to the lipo. The best practice is to educate yourself to what your machine will tkae for power, as your skills improve you will see that you will take more out of the packs, then of course your timer will need to be backed down to a lower time limit etc.

[OICU812]

Yea you could use that but why? If you make sure you got your timer low and figure it out as mentioned and always use the timer then you really do not need an additional alarm. Make it part of your pre flight to hook up and before you spool up you turn on your timer, then once you acknowledge that you have turned on your timer and it is counting down simply fly and land when it beeps, simple.

[LITHIUMSTATIC]

Isn't there a battery alarm i can use or put onto the heli to tell me the battery level ie a safe level or when to land ?

It's hard to find batt's GRR..!

Well.... they make a voltage type alarm but seriously it's not a very good way to moniter your packs. If the packs were cheap 3s 2100 packs or such it would be a little different, not as much risk. I strongly recomend you get a charger that will tell you how many MAH your putting back in. This way you time your flights.... it's much better insurence than trusting a LED light or a sound devise on your heli.

I agree with CatchmyCorsair, you will kick yourself big time for not buying a larger pack like a Evolite 6s 5350. If money is the issue then sell stuff around the house on ebay. That what I do. You don't need that couch or that coffee table.:) I'm kicking myself right now for buying a smaller pack than what I really wanted because of money. Now I'm selling stuff and saving up.

[itsparks]

Umm mwell you could but that is not a pracitce you should get into flying lipos. You want to ensure that you do not fly over 80% of the capacity. The practice is easy, simply fly a low time say for example as stated 3 minutes, then observe the MAH you put back into the battery. If you put back in 50% obviously extend your timer by half a minute, then see where you are at, shoot for 75-80% but do not exceed 80% ever or you risk damage to the lipo. The best practice is to educate yourself to what your machine will take for power, as your skills improve you will see that you will take more out of the packs, then of course your timer will need to be backed down to a lower time limit etc.


Gotcha, so runing a 6s 3700mah pack with the .7 main gear and a 15tooth pinion, should i stick to 3min flight or ?

How can i check the battery left over power ? Plug it back into the charger ?

I know on my FMA charger if i plug the battery in it states it's charge and capacity left over.


I DOOOO! plan on buying better batteries, but for testing and light flying this one will work.