What are you going to run on your G5?

[Gscott]

Anyone tried to fit the G5 in the Align carrying case? Of course you would need to either paint it or get some decals from Callie Graphics to cover the Align logo :).

[Foxden]

Yes the G5 does fit in the Align box with just a little cutting for the paddles and seasaw to allow it to move forward in the case.

Charley is also working to have a special Outrage G5 box made that will allow you to put your radio, charger, some batteries and even the Heli :lol:

Not sure on the time line, he is quite busy right now just trying to get the manual done and get the heli out for the end of the month, but in a pinch it will fit in the Align case for now.

[fsusmithc2]

I was under the impression G10 was the stronger of the two materials.

I won't say it is or isn't because I don't have the details or specs on it's strength but generally, whenever I've seen a heli offered in both G10 and CF versions, the CF is always more expensive and generally viewed as and usually even marketed as, the higher performance version (eg. the 600 Nitro Pro vs. the 600 Nitro).

It is my belief that carbon fiber is a stronger material but G10 isn't as far behind it as its price or popularity might lead you to believe. Cost of the material has a lot to do with its availability and cost to make as well and in that regard, CF is understandably more expensive (carbon filament has to be made, woven, glued, formed and/or cut, etc.). To be honest, I'd be curious to see actual strength test data on the two materials. It would definately help me rest easier and save some money too. Knowledge is power... The more you know... Blah blah blah. :-)

[HFG]

I could very well be wrong on this as i just took it as fact when i heard it long ago. I always assumed G10 was a cheaper and stronger material. CF had the advantage in the lower weight which is why its used in "performance" versions of kits. Someone wake charley up so he can chime in on this :)

[LITHIUMSTATIC]

I've heard G10 weighs near the same as CF.

[perryj676]

Bah,

had a long technical reply typed out (letting my synthetic chemistry backround shine through :OK, but hit the wrong button on the mouse on accident and lost it all doh!:arggg:

Long story short - Carbon comes in a lot of flavors, some a lot stronger than g10, but typically the stuff we see isn't all that much. G10 is a compressed fiber composite and as such has very slightly higher density than most standard modulus carbon fibers. For our applications, likely the only things to consider are 1)looks 2) price 3)conduction. They share similar impact and shearing strength (CF has higher tensile str, but that likely isn't going to be noticable at this scale).

G10 is not conductive to electricity (actually a common material in PCB's) where carbon is.

Now I just need to find out how to amend/specify what I want on my preorder. The options weren't posted yet when I ordered lol!

-Perry

[Greg Alderman]

Perry...no problem on letting us know what you want for the canopy or frame material...just PM me and I will put it in the admin notes of your order...if you are wanting either the Silver frame or the CF frame then of course there will be a small price increase over the G10...

[HFG]

Greg can you accidentally send me 2 kits ?? :) I will be ordering a G5 soon as this credit card business gets sorted out.

[LITHIUMSTATIC]

Greg can you accidentally send me 2 kits ?? :) I will be ordering a G5 soon as this credit card business gets sorted out.

:lol:

[Rotorworkz]

Hey im still here :D Busy but here

Perry cut it short and sweet on G10, CF thingy

With all my years cutting these little frames, weight difference was about 15 grams with CF being lighter
G10 is noticeably more flexible than CF when unsupported. performance factor........ well who's to say it seems to minuet to really tell in a small chopper

[fsusmithc2]

Yes, nice writeup Perry. You pretty much said exactly what we needed to know. I was thinking we had to have a chemist around here somewhere that would speak up and lo and behold, there we go. I was thinking that G10 was a bit denser and a tad more "bendy" with strength properties close to CF, I just didn't want to guess and be wrong. After all, I'm just an IT guy. ;)

For me, at this point I'm willing to say it's a toss-up. I like the look of CF better but the non-conductive nature of G10 has some good applications in our hobby. Decisions, decisions...

Oh well, the kits are almost ready so I won't really care as long as I get mine and start flying the beast. The suspense is killing me! :YeaBaby:

[Mathias]

I'm wondering if I should preorder the Outrage G5 Black Carbon Frame kit now or wait until it is in stock (Saturday 31 Mai - next weekend, right?).

However, if I want the canopy in the middle on the picture with three G5's standing beside each other, should I put a comment in the comment box?


Thanks,HeliDirect?

Also, I ordered the Spartan gyro and the Jazz today. Now I'll only need the kit, blades, motor and Hitec digital serovs to get airborne with the setup I want. I have the receiver and the tail servo. I'm also thinking of getting a Western Robotics Spektrum Lipo Battery Monitor as the one I have in my Logo 500 3D.

[Greg Alderman]

Mathias, Yes...please put in the comments section of your order which canopy you would like...and we should be able to accommodate your request!

As for preordering...well that is up to you...if you want to that is fine...if you want to pay up front when you order you can...or if you prefer just to have one on preorder and pay when we are ready to ship...please email me at my address below and I will set you up a preorder without payment...and we will contact you for payment when the heli is ready to ship...

[Mathias]

I'm asking to much... :P

1. What is the weight on the stock paddles on the G5?

2. What is the length on the stock tail rotor blades from root to tip?

3. Will the Gorilla Gears fit?

4. Still wondering if the Trueblood dampeners will fit, but I remember Charley didn't knew that one.


Thanks,

[Mathias]

2. What is the length on the stock tail rotor blades from root to tip?Well, this (http://www.helidirect.com/product_info.php?cPath=38_568_569&products_id=7512) replies to number two... "All size of 450 helis and G5". Almost the same as the 450 K&B's (59,6mm tip to end). I take it the 60mm length is from tip to end then? Also, they looks pretty much the same as the K&B's. Thats great thought...

Instead I'm asking what the length is on the G5 tail boom. I thought I read that the frame was shorter on the G5 so that the 350's would fit instead of making a longer tail boom. Maybe the Mavrikk belt will fit?

[Rotorworkz]

I'm asking to much... :P

1. What is the weight on the stock paddles on the G5?

2. What is the length on the stock tail rotor blades from root to tip?

3. Will the Gorilla Gears fit?

4. Still wondering if the Trueblood dampeners will fit, but I remember Charley didn't knew that one.


Thanks,


1. 7.7 grams is weight fro stock paddles the paddles the team pilots are using a 5.5grams used with the lower Head speed
2. Outrage Tail blades are a true 60mm measured from root center to tip.
3. No if you are referring to landing gear?
4. I would think they will work, I have tried many of the 450 upgrade dampers and they fit fine except true blood as i Don't have any to test......

And to answer your other questions

G5 Uses a longer boom and belt than align
Also the frame is shorter but that is in height not length

[Mathias]

1. 7.7 grams is weight fro stock paddles the paddles the team pilots are using a 5.5grams used with the lower Head speed
2. Outrage Tail blades are a true 60mm measured from root center to tip.
3. No if you are referring to landing gear?1. What about using the Gorilla Paddles with no weights in? Will these light weight paddles be an optional part to buy later? Do you feel that light weight paddles are necessary for 3D at a lower HS (2400)?

2. What about using K&B's? They're 59,6mm end to end... To short for a high performance tail?

3. Yes, I'm referring to the Gorilla landing gears. What about drilling them to fit, will that work? Or does the G5 landing gears mount in a different way?


Thanks,

[Foxden]

Mathias,

Look at the picture on page 10 of my pair of G4 heli's, the G5 uses the same landing gear mount, it's a piece of the same material as the frame you purchase ie (G-10, Silver or Black CF) and it mounts with two holes to the lower gear frame support, I suppose if your clever you could figure out a way to mount gorilla gear but then in my opinion it will just look like everyone elses landing gear, the landing gear design is one of the things on Charley's G4 and G5 frame that set it apart and you can buy and replace just one side without having to buy a complete set of gear in a mishap.

I beilive the Trueblood dampers will fit and will be trying a set in our G5 when I change out the 3mm spindle to the 4mm.

I'm not sure about the K&B blades, we haven't tried them on ours yet, I may stick a set on next week and Steven ring them out to see if the tail holds up for his style of flying and let you know.

[Mathias]

Mathias,

Look at the picture on page 10 of my pair of G4 heli's, the G5 uses the same landing gear mount, it's a piece of the same material as the frame you purchase ie (G-10, Silver or Black CF) and it mounts with two holes to the lower gear frame support, I suppose if your clever you could figure out a way to mount gorilla gear but then in my opinion it will just look like everyone elses landing gear, the landing gear design is one of the things on Charley's G4 and G5 frame that set it apart and you can buy and replace just one side without having to buy a complete set of gear in a mishap.

I beilive the Trueblood dampers will fit and will be trying a set in our G5 when I change out the 3mm spindle to the 4mm.

I'm not sure about the K&B blades, we haven't tried them on ours yet, I may stick a set on next week and Steven ring them out to see if the tail holds up for his style of flying and let you know.The advantage of the Gorilla Gears vs. a harder landing gear, is that if you come down hard, the Gorilla will almost act like a shock absorber to the heli. If you come down hard with a hard landing gear (not sure how the stock gear is), you'll might have the result of breaking the frame. Also, the Gorilla will never break.

Oh, well, now I'm starting hear like "Finless"...

Yeah, try the K&B's and the Trueblood Dampeners. Looking forward to hear the results.

Talk about doing upgrades before getting the heli into the air! :o But it would be nice to hear the results. I'll most likely going to sell my Trex. Then I can include the parts that doesn't fit to get rid of unnecessary parts hanging around.


Thanks,

[Gscott]

Any further updates? Is it still on target to ship this week? I noticed the canopies are not listed at Helidirect yet. Any idea on price?

[HFG]

$350 for G10 frames
$360 CF white
$375 CF black

[Gscott]

Sorry I meant the price of the replacement canopies.

[HFG]

Between $0 and $350 is my guess :)

[WayneD]

Sorry I meant the price of the replacement canopies.

http://www.helifreak.com/showpost.php?p=682137&postcount=10 - about 65 usd

[HFG]

Those are canomod canopies NOT stock ones so they will cost alot more.