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aceman365
03-04-2008, 08:25 AM
I'm a relative newbie to helicopters as experience would go, however last weekend I logged my first flight, and as luck would have it, my first crash with my Trex 450se. I made the mistake of being over confident, and chose not to put training gear onto the helicopter. Having been the instigator and observer of the crash of my helicopter, I'm fairly confident that I could have avoided the entire accident had training gear been attached to the skids.

I began researching training gear immediately. I searched the internet high and low for the best solution. I've seen the $10-15 dollar options on the internet, but also read how people were having issue with getting them to fit the 450's skids. And several people suggested just making your own for free. So that's what I did using 2 wire coat hangers, some solder, and a little electrical tape.

It was as simple as first unwinding the neck of the wire hanger, snipping off the corkscrew shaped ends, then spending 10 minutes with snub nosed pliers straightening the wire out. I did this for two lengths of wire. I then cut them so they were both 35 inches long, and then found the exact center of each. I placed one over the other, putting their center points together forming a large wire "X" and put a decent amount of solder around there area where they crossed. After it cooled a wrapped that area with some blue electrical tape, criss crossing the "X" till the area was well wrapped and secured. Using needle nose pliers, I grabbed each of the ends of the "X" and twisted the ends up and over making a small eye-let. This will allow the ends to slide and not embed themselves into the ground. Finally, I pinched to of the adjacent ends closer to one another and push them between the braces of my skids and centered the "X" area under the chassis of the helicopter, I then bent the lengths out a little to ensure my "X" arms stayed relatively close to 90 degrees to one another. Using some mirco zip-ties I secured the training gear to the skid supports.

I haven't yet flown with the training gear on the helicopter. But I will be doing that tonight. I'll report back any odd experiences I may have with this setup. I MAY bend the training gear downward a 1/2 inch out from the skids of each so the training will rest on the ground when the heli's skids are on the ground, it could cushion a hard landing a little. Additionally, I've considered making the eye-let ends alittle larger in diameter to ensure they will not stick to anything on the ground, but rather slide along the ground in the event I come in at an angle.

Have a look at the attached images to see what I made, and how I may revise this design. If I'm way off one on this, I hope a pro would point out my mistakes.

I hope this helps someone else. Enjoy and happy flying.

Aceman

WayneBrown
03-04-2008, 08:34 AM
I have doubts that the wire coat hanger will be stiff enough to keep the chopper from rolling over.
You may want to look at the local arts and crafts store for 3/16" o 2.5mm wood dowels or carbon fier/ fiberglass rods and some ping-pong balls.

aceman365
03-04-2008, 08:48 AM
I definitely wouldn't suggest this for a larger helicopter such as a 500 or 600 size machine as their weight would over power the wire hanger easily. In the few, non-powered, tests I conducted last night while hold two ends and allowing the heli's weight to rest on the wires, with the other ends on the ground. I bounced the helicopter pretty good and it never was able to bend the wires. I will retest this again tonight and report back what I find regarding the strength of the wire vs. the weight of the helicopter.

aceman365
03-05-2008, 10:37 AM
Ok. After alittle testing on my part. Haven't flown it yet due to high winds in my area. But I did play around with the heli and it appears that hanger wire is infact too weak to support the helicopter without possible putting your aircraft in harms way. I will be going to my local hardware store tonight and purchase some upgraded materials. I will report back what I find.

OH.. and the Ping Pong balls are definitely the way to go.. my hangers dug into the ground in a test..which had I been flying.. would have translated to disaster.

Aceman

franky92
03-05-2008, 11:18 AM
I think, personally, that the wire will retain the chopper enough time for the pilot to shut down the motor...

GreenCello
03-05-2008, 06:59 PM
Aceman

I purchased ready made trainig gear which consisted of four 1/4in dowels and a cental block made of mdf (sawdust + glue). Unfortunately the dowels appear to be luan mahogany which is brittle and cracked the first time I set the heli down moderately hard. Tougher dowels made of oak or birch would have been alot better.

I had some carbon fiber arrow shafts around so I used two with a velcro band at the center, velcro bands at the skid struts and practice golf balls on the ends. Very strong, 80grms.

Mod 2- Because of the diameter of the arrow shafts crossing the training gear would not sit level. I cut the shafts in half, put aluminum inserts in one end of each piece (arrow heads are screwed into these inserts in archery) then connected two shafts each with a short piece of 8-32 bolt. Any archery shop will have old shafts and inserts.

GreenCello
03-05-2008, 07:05 PM
Pictures.

aceman365
03-05-2008, 08:44 PM
After reading what everyone has suggested I rethought my concept and got myself some 3/16" wood dowel rod, and some ping pong balls. I secured the balls to the wood rods via zip ties and then to the heli with more zip ties.

I flew the helicopter tonight (FLIGHT #2 logged) and she flew awesome!!! and OMG.. I didn't crash this time!! I can't wait to fly her again.. alittle breezy tonight so I only few for a few minutes.. but she hovered great!

Aceman365

WayneBrown
03-06-2008, 12:36 AM
good deal! Looks sturdy enough now.

Pinecone
03-06-2008, 11:24 AM
Whiffle gold balls, like shown in the one picture work better. :)

And the balls should be able to rotate, so if you set down with side motion, they act as wheels and spin, keeping the training gear from digging in and flipping the heli.

I bought the Tech Model Products gear for the some $15 to avoid all the issues. :)

And I did crack one dowel, but not from flying, it got cracked in storage after I stopped using it. And I passed it on to a friend. :)

shamen222
03-06-2008, 11:34 AM
I like to make sure the whiffle balls are free to move so you can see the heli skate to get used to counter act the side movement at liftoff and to make sure the tail is not pushing the heli around.

aceman365
03-06-2008, 01:02 PM
My Ping Pong balls freely rotate. And I did notice that I had to give the bird more collective before she became light.. but man it was nice to get a flight under my belt where she didn't crash. (I only have 2 flights in reality, and the first ended in a crash). Flight #3, and 4 should be tonight as I've charged my batteries, and I the weather is great!

Aceman