New Phoenix HV (12s) controllers

[Albig]

Bobby,

You get something 20c going I'm in the market dude :noteworthy

Al

[misskimo]

Bobby , what you getting TP for ? OH just checking out the competition huh? the 4ps work well in my Fury , which are rated for around 100 amps which Im running way below that ,
I have Ion #2 ready to test , setup same as the fury , except its not lighten up like Ion 1 , right now I will test it with the 1 6s4p and 1 7s4p , and I will also try the 2 7s4ps later , I will run a V curve with around 85% in the middle with 14s , the fury was turning around 2050 on the same gearing .

Tony

[BobbySmith]

Al yea 20c stuff ( that is what i was told) i got a sample of a 3s 1750 15c trex pack here in fromt of me and it is pretty darn impressive 135 grams is the weight and packs some serious punch

Tony i personally dont care what kind of batteries they are s long as you can put a bunch of cycles on them and they have some serious power and the price needs to come down!! it is rediculous what kind of money you can tie up in batteries
I flew some of the Prolites months ago!!
Bobby

[Albig]

Toshiba is going to start selling LiPo cells next year that are going cut our pirce at least in half.

Be nice to set up a pack for an Ion for a couple hundred wouldn't it :clappp

[Garland]

Whats poppin Al!

You and the Bernillio Heli crew holdin it down out there in ABQ? Im itchin and scratchin to move back there permantly bud! Soon....

More lipo competition would be sweet for us consumers

[Darren S]

i ordered a HV 85 from NESAIL on July 19. you guys have me all worried. it hasnt arrived yet. my ion is only half built but i don't want to experiment with it . anyone having similar trouble with the 110. i think i may switch it before even trying it. the 110 is only an ouce heavier.

[BobbySmith]

That would be the shiz nit AL

Darren the 85 is more then enough controller i called castle yesterday and after alittle rif raf they are sending me a new 85

When lipo prices come down all we need is a motor that will kick some a$$ made in the U.S iam going on 3 months waiting on 2 32-3's to come back from Koehler both motors had a manufacture defect
Bobby

[misskimo]

hey , yeh , it would be nice to have a outrunner motor made in the USA , because I have a 32-3 that was sent to Koehler 3 months ago , and had trouble with it since I got it last fall , never ran, when I first got it , a mag was loose , sent it back to dymond , 2 weeks got it back , said they fixed it in house , then it would fire up , and come to find out when they put it back together when fixing the mag they broke a wire , well dymond fixed the wire , got it back , and put it on my Ion to find out they put too much glue when glueing the mag back on , bad vibration , so now they sent it back to koelher , huh? that reminds me , need to call them , plus its the airplane version , dont use that one anymore, my cuz Karl , had his pred shread the winding every where after a friend flew it for 10 minutes straight hard 3D, even sprayed solder from the motor on the battery packs ,

Tony

[Albig]

I have had one apart and can't remember seeing anything soldered in an Actro. Man you got that thing HOT :bomb:

Even the silicone wires are attached with crimp connectors.

I've seen a bunch of them have the magnets come unglued. That has been one of Franks problems for years. I saw 40-4 show up like that, the guy who got it wasn't going to wait on sending it back to Germany. He just put the magnet back and dribble some thin CA behind it and it's still flying fine today. It's in a plank so it doesn't get very hot.

I guess those big Chile Peppers had the right name, because they ran mucho caliente I heard.


Al

[misskimo]

hey , well I really dont know what blew , my cuz left the pred with a friend in tx and he put somewhere around 20 flights on it till something blew, he took the motor , and send Karls heli back, the batteries had solder splats all over them , so I dont know what happen , all he said was he flew it none stop for 10 to 12 minutes , Im suprised it didnt thermal the hacker esc ! I know theres solder right off the bottom of the can . so maybe thats what blew

Tony

[Albig]

I got my PH 85HV back from Castle Creations, supposedly "repaired and tested"

They should call it the "POS 85HV" :badair:

Won't do anything except buzz the 32-3 for 3 or 4 seconds and then shuts down no matter what the software is set at. :bomb:

Going to try to run a can motor and see if it's just an Actro thing. Can't see why though. I've run Actros on PH 80s before and they seem to do OK on the 110HV.

I'm not evn in the mood to call them for while I'm so pissed off.

Al

[Darren S]

hey al,

sorry to hear about your bad luck with the HV 85. i ordered one and was so freaked out about the possibility of problems i placed a call to CC to get a name of someone i could call if it smoked.

well this morning i plugged everything in and it made it's sounds and then fired up the Actro. so it's not an Actro problem. i haven't programmed anything yet and this was just a bench test with no blades, but i thought i'd share my experience.

when i called them they did say that some Beta units were sent out but it was suppose to be only to test pilots, or something like that. my friend here in Calgary is Canada's top F3A pilot flying electric and he got 2 units to test. both of which smoked instantly.

stick with it. it looks like the ticket for the ion.

darren

[Albig]

Yep Darren,

It's not an Actro thing totally. I put several motors in a bench mount. A Hacker, a Neumotor, a Mega, a Plettenberg, an Axi and they all had a hard time starting but eventually did. A 24-4 wouldn't, even with just an 8/4 prop.

I installed the older software 1.15 and now it works OK, but I heard from someone who had the same thing happen and their also repaired HV 85 lasted about 10 flights and smoked.

I know I got one of the beta units, they told me that when I called for service. What sucks is they promised they would test it before it went out and. I'll call them monday if everything is still in one piece and see what they ahve to say about this crap.

I emailed support and all they did is send me a software report / comment form to fill out.

Al

[Albig]

It smoked the first time I tried to start the Heli with blades on it.

POS :badair:

Al

[gorf]

has any one tryed the neumotor 1515 /2y on the 110 hv ?

[Albig]

Strike 3 for them and I'm batting a 1000.

Castle has been bending over backwards to get me new ESCs and every one has been the same. They won't start the helicopter.

This one I put on my bench 24-5 Actro before I bothered to put it in the heli, and it won't start an Actro with 10s. 5s no problem. This is getting really old :bomb:

Al

[pwkpete]

Bummer Al.

Any of you have a choke on your Phoenix ESC receiver wires? I don't think it's an opto isolated ESC, as in order to program it with the link, you need to have main power applied...

Running mine up without blades, I notice that when the ESC pulses/surges, my 9254 tail servo has a little shake to it, otherwise it doesn't move. Doesn't do that on 8s...

[Albig]

Actually Pete it's supposed to be "dual opto isolated".

Yeah it's really starting to piss me off.

3 in a row is ridiculous.

I wonder how many bad units made it out.

This has got to be costing them a fortune.

Just the shipping back and forth since this episode started has been over 40 bucks, about half picked up by me.

This is typical CC crap though every new ESC they make goes out the door as soon as they roll off the assembly line and damage control then takes over and replaces the the junk.

Instead of having good customer service they need to invest in some better quality control and presale testing neither of which is occurring IMO no matter what Castle says.

I know they did some R&D and there were some problems so they shouldn't have started selling them until they were ready.

I have two sitting here now that are worthless. I guess I'll hang on to them until I get one that does work so I can cut that shipping cost. I can ship them a crate full by truck freight to save money :twisted:


Al

[pwkpete]

Ok, how can it be dual opto isolated if the battery powers the logic circuitry, not the BEC? I'm confused! :?:

A friend that bought my other eRaptor, toasted his Hacker 48.. Got a Phoenix 45HV, that lasted 1 weekend... Guess I'm having a bit of better luck with mine, knock on wood...



I have two sitting here now that are worthless. I guess I'll hang on to them until I get one that does work so I can cut that shipping cost. I can ship them a crate full by truck freight to save money



Heh, I know the feeling of being a CC beta tester...

[Albig]

I think the opto isolation IS indicated by the fact that to power them up you need to have the flight pack connected.

The Opto Isolation is in the signal wire isn't it. And in order for it to be totally isolated then all 3 wires have to be isolated don't they.

Al

[pwkpete]

I thought in ESC's like the Kontronik and Hacker, the isolation was between the driver FETS and the control logic... I could be mistaken though...

Need some sensible voltage to drive the control logic, otherwise, not sure how they are getting 10s down to something usable..

[Albig]

If it was in between the FETs and the processor then how would RF chokes on the signal wire help?

Maybe that's what they mean by dual isolated. Perhaps both may be the case.

Al

[pwkpete]

Ok, both make sense for 'dual'...

Now to find where this tiny 'noise' is coming from. Maybe I'll try a dedicated Rx pack again. I don't seem to be able to notice it in flight, but would just as soon make sure there is nothing there to worry about...

It was flying so well for so long. I couldn't be hapy, I needed even more power... Ugh...

[Albig]

BTW Pete,

I have been running a 24-4 Raptor on 10s2p PLs now for about 8 months and it's my favorite. Its fully 6 ounces lighter than with a Boxed Neumotor. I don't think there is a nickels worth of difference in the perfomance at 10s and the extra 6ozs and complication makes the choice clear as to which is best IMO.

At 11s it's AWESOME. When I pugged in 11s2p of the 2100s it was the most power I've seen in any 50 ever yet.

Can't wait to get it up to 12s.

Al

At 12s I'm sure it will make the 1515 blush

[pwkpete]

I thought it was a beast at 10s :) If you ever get an ESC that works, love to hear how it goes! :arggg:

I thought 20 cells was a good number to keep it light and raise the CG a tad. I could feel the weight difference in flight vs the 24 cell 8s setup I used to run. Much snappier rolling and flipping now...