comments on mikado logo 600

[SpoonEK]

Hi all! i am flying a mini titan at the moment. i m looking around for a 50 size electric heli as my second heli. have seen trex600E, hurricane and raptor. A friend of mine said y not take a look at logo 600. Can anyone enlighten me wat are the difference between logo600 and the rest in terms of bulit and performance ? Thanks in advance?

[wiltonh3]

Spoon,
Just went through the same process between the Trex 500 and the Logo 5003D. (I am staying in the 500 range mainly because I want to fly in smaller spaces and am trying to keep the cost within some range of reason) I finally decided on the Logo. It boiled down to quality and length of flight time for me. But that comes at cost, more than just monetary. Here is my take.

THE PLUS:
Logo 500 3D has most of the upgrades included, better bearings, metal swash, etc. It also appears to have better quality, newer engineering of the main drive and is lighter, faster and flies longer. (The Logo 600 3D appears to be the same basic copter with larger tail boom, head, etc. One can upgrade at a later date if so desired)

THE MINUS:
The cost for the Logo is somewhat higher. The base 500 3D kit is as much as the GF Trex500 and the Logo does not include a motor, rotors, or speed control. When things are not included with a kit, we tend to take that free choice and buy even more expensive options than might be comparable. Also, with the 3D, the choice of dealers is very small compared to the choices for the Align products. This means parts will be harder to get and will be less competitive in price. (The Mikado forum here is very helpful and I trust in great enough number to help me through whatever may come)

When all is said and done, I expect to have about $1,400 - $1,500in my setup. That is with everything very good quality but no "bling" or "latest and greatest" That does not include the batteries, about $300 each for the 6s 5000, nor a transmitter.

I don't think you can go wrong with either the Trex or the Logo. Side by side for my type of mild sport/scale flying it would probably make little difference. But I would rather buy the best I can afford even if I have to do that slowly. That will of course will force me to spend more time with my CX, my simulator and my friends Axe. I intend to make sure I am ready before I do something stupid and costly.

Good luck with your choices. And remember, there are those much wiser with much more experience than me on here, although I did do some intense reading, questioning, etc. It's a major expense for most of us.

Wilton

[Aox]

Wilton, you may have already thought this out, but I just wanted to chime in anyway.

The Trex 500 is a fair bit smaller bird than the Logo 500. The Trex swings 425ish mm blades and the logo 500-560mm. It's a pretty significant bird, the Logo 500. Align's "500" is based off of motor size, and Mikado's "500" is based on blade size.

Anyway, ignore me if you've considered all that. Just thought it may be worthy info.

Spoon, the Logo is a breed apart from all the heli's you've mentioned in quality. It's just plainly a higher spec machine. If you want to keep costs down a bit, the Logo 500 in 6s is a rocket ship, but the performance of a 10-12s Logo 600 is downright nutty. Battery costs are high though.

If you bite the bullet on a Logo, you'll never regret the performance or quality. Just that initial sting in the wallet.

-Aox

[Aox]

oh, and PS, I fly a Mini Titan too. Just something about superior engineering with plastic that I dig. Kind of like HK MP5's and Glock handguns. German made plastic, high quality, just like the Logo :P

I always avoided the Rex's because everyone had one, but I'm consider a Trex 500 now for that 425mm slot.

-Aox

[jamesotron99]

I always avoided the Rex's because everyone had one, but I'm consider a Trex 500 now for that 425mm slot.


Don't forget the Logo 400.

[Aox]

Don't forget the Logo 400.

For some reason, it just doesn't appeal to me... I don't know...

-Aox

[wiltonh3]

Aox,

Your point is well taken. From my standpoint, I will probably start out with 500/520 blades and can work my way up. (I understand that actually more stable at 560 but also a bit more intimidating) The ability to transform the Logo into a wide range of animals is kind of it's appeal to me. From a 5S 500mm mild mannered jewel to the full conversion to a 600 extreme machine.

At this point my intent is of course learning, but eventually more into multi-blade scale use. Again, this is the machine for that. It just seems like although more expensive, I am getting a wide range of possibilities for the one purchase. (Again aware that the conversions will not be cheap)

And as always, QUALITY!

Wilton

[jamesotron99]

Just get them both. I am :D

[SpoonEK]

Hi Wiltonh3,
U mean the head & boom of the logo500 can be change to the logo600 head & boom and be a pure breed logo600? Roughly wats the size of a logo500 and logo600? is it logo500=raptor50 and logo600=raptor90??

i kinda like metal parts on my heli. Are the plastic parts on the logo be changed to metal parts? Or is it not neccessary?Aox,

Your point is well taken. From my standpoint, I will probably start out with 500/520 blades and can work my way up. (I understand that actually more stable at 560 but also a bit more intimidating) The ability to transform the Logo into a wide range of animals is kind of it's appeal to me. From a 5S 500mm mild mannered jewel to the full conversion to a 600 extreme machine.

At this point my intent is of course learning, but eventually more into multi-blade scale use. Again, this is the machine for that. It just seems like although more expensive, I am getting a wide range of possibilities for the one purchase. (Again aware that the conversions will not be cheap)

And as always, QUALITY!

Wilton

[Eyon]

L500 = raptor 30
L600 = raptor 50 with BIG BOOM :D

[LITHIUMSTATIC]

i kinda like metal parts on my heli. Are the plastic parts on the logo be changed to metal parts? Or is it not neccessary?

No benefit at all going to metal on this heli. The Mikado plastic isn't soft like Taiwan's plastic. It's very dense, hard and precisely made.

[SpoonEK]

Jus went to a LHS to see the logo600 combo with V-bar. Can someone kindly explain wats the use of the V-bar?

[Aox]

Vbar eliminates the flybar hardware on your heli, and electronically stabilizes the bird, instead of mechanically. When you eliminate the flybar, you eliminate a lot of mass and drag, which increases performance all around, primarily in cyclic speed.

Makes for silly badass helis.

-Aox

[dogfart]

Hi all,
I'm building the Logo 500 with V-Bar. Out of curiosity, what does it take to upgrade to a 600?

[Mercuriell]

Hi all,
I'm building the Logo 500 with V-Bar. Out of curiosity, what does it take to upgrade to a 600?

Head above the swash (same shaft), tail boom & frame adaptors, tail boom struts, tail case, landing skids and canopy (and .7 gears if you're using .5)

[x RayoVac x]

Quick question (sorry for the hijack of Spoon's thread):

If I pickup a 500 3D with Flybar, can it easily be converted to V-Bar down the road?

I have gone back and forth over what to get for my first heli, stuck between the Trex 450, 500 and Logo 500. After weighing everything back and forth, I have decided bigger is what I want and when comparing the Trex 500 vs. Logo 500, I just keep coming back to the Logo.

Even though it will be more money and parts will be harder to find... I just can't seem to shake the desire for the Mikado Engineering (also like that I won't be flying the same thing everyone else has).

[x RayoVac x]

Head above the swash (same shaft), tail boom & frame adaptors, tail boom struts, tail case, landing skids and canopy (and .7 gears if you're using .5)

Do you have any idea (ballpark) of what it would cost to upgrade a 500 to a 600 given the parts you mention?

[BOOGIE]

Quick question (sorry for the hijack of Spoon's thread):

If I pickup a 500 3D with Flybar, can it easily be converted to V-Bar down the road?

I).

This is the part you need to covert the Logo 500 http://www.espritmodel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=5555

[jamesotron99]

Converting to VBar is just a matter of buying the upgrade kit, which is all the parts you need to upgrade the head (ie remove heaps of not-needed junk) and of course the vbar electronicsn are seperate (you can use other stabilisation systems such as Helicommand RIGID instead of vbar if you want).

[SpoonEK]

May i know wats the feeling of flying a flybarless heli and the heli with flybar? lets say on a logo600.

[jamesotron99]

It's hard to describe. Flybarred Logo's are amazing to fly, my Logo 10 has been a faithful machine for years now. Flys like a dream and out-performs any other .30 size at the field. Flying my Logo 600 is like taking a step up into something you can't imagine. It's stable - like rock solid - in the air, but the slightest move of your thumb and it's flipping or rolling or climbing like crazy. It's powerful, it's agile, it goes like stink and you'll never want to fly anything with a flybar ever again.

Oh and it stands out in the crowd of T-Rexes and Raptors, that's for sure :)

[SpoonEK]

I cant wait to get a flybarless logo600.. but the only thing that hold me back is the lipo.. running it on 10s is quite costly to me..It's hard to describe. Flybarred Logo's are amazing to fly, my Logo 10 has been a faithful machine for years now. Flys like a dream and out-performs any other .30 size at the field. Flying my Logo 600 is like taking a step up into something you can't imagine. It's stable - like rock solid - in the air, but the slightest move of your thumb and it's flipping or rolling or climbing like crazy. It's powerful, it's agile, it goes like stink and you'll never want to fly anything with a flybar ever again.

Oh and it stands out in the crowd of T-Rexes and Raptors, that's for sure :)

[x RayoVac x]

I cant wait to get a flybarless logo600.. but the only thing that hold me back is the lipo.. running it on 10s is quite costly to me..

I guess that is why I am going to go with the 500. I like the idea of the 600 better but 6s seems a bit more manageable. ;)

[SpoonEK]

wat is spec. of the lipo i should get for a logo600?

[jamesotron99]

wat is spec. of the lipo i should get for a logo600?

check my sig.