E-Smart 600 build thread

[Kamikazi]

Maybe they aren't all as bad as mine. But since the original and the metal upgrade seemed about equally bad, I suspect that many others are sloppy also.
Grab the flybar paddles and gently rotate the flybar back and forth (don't turn it so hard as to move the servos) - watch the swashplate closely. Can you see the inner part of the swashplate moving at all relative to the lower part? It was obvious on mine. With the Swift swashplate, there is basically zero slop.
Any slop here (or in the linkages, or various other places) just makes it that much less precise.

[nuttcaze]

my all metal swash has no slop, my semi-metal swashplate has a little slop, and my plastic one has tons of slop, but thats why I never used it, just got a all metal one.

[Design Engnr]

Where are you guys getting the Semi-Metal kit for the Esmart? All I can find is the all pastic version and the all metal or Carbon version of this Heli.

Dave

[nuttcaze]

BPHobbies has them, I just ordered one, but they sent me the wrong one, now I have to send it back :thumbdown: but on their site its listed as the plastic version but if you click it it will tell you it is a different kit

[LockMD]

So what do you call the kit from Heli-Direct w/motor for 200?

its a metal frame, that is the one I have but have since blinged it out to all metal.

[nuttcaze]

The heli-direct kit is a plastic kit, all kits that come with motors will be plastic kits, its the only way the can sell them, ESky doesn't make the plastic kit anymore so retailer are just trying to get rid of them

the differences between the semi metal kit and plastic kits are this

the Semi-metal kit -
Has the longer boom, upgrade fins, 550mm Blades, head center button, metal/plastic swashplate, metal flybar cage, use the newer style head with larger feathering shaft, also has the bigger tail fins

the Plastic kit
Has the short boom, 520mm blades, no center head button, all plastic swashplate, plastic flybar cage, older head design with smaller feathering shaft and small tail fins

if you upgrade the plastic kit to just the semi-metal kit it makes the plastic version much more expensive.

[nuttcaze]

this is from ESky's website


"For E-smart electric helicopter,Now we only supply semi-metal version,All-metal and carbon fiber edition are the upgrade edition of semi-metal edition,you need to buy upgrade spare parts for own installation.
EK5H-E004D:E-smart Electric helicoper(semi-metal version); "

http://www.twf-sz.com/english/products.asp?prodid=0203

[Design Engnr]

So the version on BP's website for $239 is the sem-metal version? I did not notice where it mentioned the differences between it and the standard plastic version.

Dave

[nuttcaze]

I don't think the kit that comes with the motor is a semi-metal edition. thats just a guess, but underneath the picture of the $170 kit, you will see where it says its a different kit, but I know what the differences because I already bought one before as well as buying a plastic kit w/ motor from Ka-Planes, so I was able to compare the two, and the semi-metal kit is a really really sweet deal. Just gotta make sure they send you the right kit, they're usually good at this stuff, but the boxes for the 2 are identical

[damyxz]

The $199 kit with motor from HD is the semi metal kit. I just have a flying buddy order one and I'm setting it up for him.

[Swashmix]

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sweet thanks :thumbup:, this is my latest flight vid from yesterday

That is some of the sharpest video I have seen on YouTube taken via the heli.Pink Floyd is perfect for it too.
What type of camera are you using?

[Kamikazi]

On the subject of BP Hobbies, their 60 amp Helicopter ESC seems to be holding up fine on my ESmart. The soft start mode works well and it also has a governor mode. I'm running on 6S and it's supposedly good for 7S. The $28.45 price is crazy cheap if it holds up. It has a finned heatsink and only seems to be moderately warm after a 6 minute flight.

http://www.bphobbies.com/view.asp?id=A0780193&pid=C1506849

This BEC is also working well. (I've used it in other aircraft)

http://www.bphobbies.com/view.asp?id=V718224&pid=V181660

[nuttcaze]

After getting screwed on my last ES600 kit I'm not sure if I'll use BPHobbies again, but its interesting to know that ESC holds up.


doering1 (http://www.helifreak.com/member.php?u=56278) - thanks, I'm using a Samsung L100 bolted to the canopy

heres a vid from today, I have the cam on my hat


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[nuttcaze]

it looks alot better if you go to the youtube page and click the "watch in high quality", its the same for my floyd flight, much better quality that way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsUDpDDxd6I

[nuttcaze]

a few more vids, oh and depending on your comp, going to my youtube page might give you an option to view the vid in high quality, I have 2 comps right next to each other, one gets the option the other doesn't :confused:

this is from the top of a hill not too far from my house, right next to a golf course.


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and this is when I stuck the cam on the heli and went for some loops and inverted hovers :YeaBaby:


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[DierWolf]

I'm just a noob so what do I know. BUT, I am very pleased with my all metal E-Sky swashplate.

Greed,

I am not a noob, and the metal swashplate i got was perfect no slop, in fact it was very tight at first until i worked it in.

Perhaps you got a dud.

[eightythree]

i want to comment on the esky metal swash also.. maybe there ARE duds?
mine was waaaaay sloppy out of the box. im afraid it may seperate. maybe ill try a swift swash.. but there are 8mm helis out there like the T500, GUAI Huirricane.. etc.. maybe something will fit. but swift parts are nice and shiney just like the esmart.

i finally realized what my vibration was coming from, a bent flybar. one of the threaded ends had a bend in it, causing one of of track flybar end and one out of track blade. no big deal as these things are cheap.

7 flights in a KILLLED my stock maingear. people may have better luck, but i was banging on the rudder stick back and forth. while doing piros i swtiched very fast to piro agaisnt tourque doing a pitch pump and GRINDO!! im sure the pressure from the tail gear started it and the motor took care of the rest. only 3 teeth were left.. LOL

anyone find any other gear replacements?

other than these little quarks (and binding issues solved by a dremel) this thing flys damn great. not as smooth and docile as my Trex600, but man it is damn quick. going from hover to FFF is just amazing. plenty of power for pop and stop tic tocs. and 5:30 seconds of 3D at 100% throttle :clappp

[nuttcaze]

I'm getting about the same flight times. Freaking love this heli. But like you I have gone through a few too many main gears (buy them 4 at a time now) so if anyone finds a better gear, for the love of god please tell us.

[eightythree]

from a build thread on rcu or groups the dude said something about a Quick of Japan gear for a possible replacement.. ive never read through the thread or asked anyone on the net personally, but i really think it will come down to peeps like us going trial and error. well, i know wasting money is pissing it away, but for the health of the hobby im all for it :thumbup:

as far as buying multiples, i had one extra before even finishing the heli, and i have 3 extra now. not much on the wallet but just a pain!

[Kamikazi]

Greed,

I am not a noob, and the metal swashplate i got was perfect no slop, in fact it was very tight at first until i worked it in.

Perhaps you got a dud.

My metal ESky swash was tight on the ball, the slop was in the bearing - between the two parts that spin against each other. It caused a dead spot in the cyclic - had to keep chasing it in a hover.

As it turns out, the Swift Swash that I did the ball swap on had to much slop in the ball retainer - even though the bearing itself was much tighter. The sloppy ball was allowing the entire swash to wobble - which showed up as a vibration in the skids. Went back to the ESky swash and the vibration went away, but the dead spot in the cyclic returned.

I'm going to order ANOTHER metal swash from HeliDirect... hoping to get a better one this time.
I hope poor QC isn't going to be an issue with this Heli... I've had my share of poor QC on parts for my Swift.

[damyxz]

I think the main gear for a swift will work, but you have to go to a 1.0 module pinion and maybe use the swift tail drive mechanics(transmission gear, TR shaft with pulley, tail boom and belt for the 620). I also found out that if I retard the pitch curve against the throttle curve( delay the pitch shift a little) and reduce the max attack angle, I prevent stripped gears. I have not had a stripped gear in a while.

[nuttcaze]

I've just been extra careful with mine, I just try to pay more attention to what I'm doing. Seems to be helping.

[henryd123]

hi guys ,I decided to join up here as there is some good reading on the esmart,I recognise some of you from rcg so hope to catch up with you all soon
henry

[nuttcaze]

welcome :YeaBaby:

[LockMD]

yeah come on in and sit a spell :)