futaba 401 gyro

[shaggybirdman]

ok i watched the gyro setup, ccpm 1 and 2, Jermo's dx7 v3 videos. setup my dx7 as per them (i think it's setup correct). i have my gyro input select set to aux2. i have a s9659 digital servo. gyro set for digital servo. i have gear set for gyro. my radio is the plain ver of the dx7.

using a AR6100e spektrum receiver (see pic below) i have the plugs pluged in as follows:

aux 1-- right front servo
gear -- gyro 1 wire lead
rudd -- gyro 3 wire lead
elev -- bottom servo
aile -- left front servo
thro -- will be the esc
batt -- at the present time a receiver pack, but will be bec via main 3 cell pack

all control inputs move the swash in the proper direction. after it initializes the gyro has a steady red light. in the video it shows a green light. did they just change the color of the light, or does a red light mean something?

now what it does:

i turn on the rx then plug in the batt. gyro initializes to a bright steady red light. with the gear switch in the 0 (back position) and move the rudder stick the tail won't center. it actually sticks off center depending on witch way i move the stick. with the gear switch forward the servo will center, and the light is a steady dim red.

what am i doing wrong? setup a plain, or car not a problem, but a heli, and i'm lost. not to mention finless's videos are for futaba, and i'm using a dx7, so the menus aren't the same. i'm attaching pics in hopes they help.

i think that's all the info to describe my problem.

[Skarn]

Hey,

Well, first off, in HH mode, the slider will not recenter if you give rudder input....that's the normal behavior, so all is fine there. If you want it to recenter, either flip to rate mode, then back to HH mode....OR move rudder left/right 3 times in rapid succession.

But the other thing is why do you have your Aux2 set up for GYRO AND your Gear channel set up for GYRO? You don't even have anything plugged into the Aux2 channel.
I have mine setup like yours but my Aux2 is set to INH.

Post what your gyro sensing menu settings are (showing the gain for each mode).

Skarn

[shaggybirdman]

Hey,

Well, first off, in HH mode, the slider will not recenter if you give rudder input....that's the normal behavior, so all is fine there. If you want it to recenter, either flip to rate mode, then back to HH mode....OR move rudder left/right 3 times in rapid succession.

But the other thing is why do you have your Aux2 set up for GYRO AND your Gear channel set up for GYRO? You don't even have anything plugged into the Aux2 channel.
I have mine setup like yours but my Aux2 is set to INH.

Post what your gyro sensing menu settings are (showing the gain for each mode).

Skarn

ok i have my gyro set to aux2, and gear is set to gear in the radio.

gyro sens

auto
rate
0:72%
1:72%

F mode
norm:0
stunt:0
hold:0

i made a mistake saying both gear, and aux2 were set for gyro. only aux2 is set for gyro.

I have mine setup like yours but my Aux2 is set to INH.

where do i go to check that? these computer radios mess with my head :arggg:

[BarracudaHockey]

If you have a 6100 you don't have an Aux2

[Skarn]

If you have a 6100 you don't have an Aux2


Good point!

Since your reciever doesn't have an AUX2, you should have GEAR set to GYRO.

So turn on the radio while holding down the same buttons you use to get into the programming menu. Then go to the switch setup screen and put AUX2 to INH and GEAR to gyro.

Hopefully that will do it!

Skarn

[shaggybirdman]

ok that makes sense. i fixed that. my next question is why would the servo not center in normal mode? that makes no sense to me. i fire her up, and lift off. the tail (in normal mode) starts to swing to the right. i counter act it, and let go of the stick, and (i assume) it will begin to peroet (sp) till i counter act it again, and again. i thought thats why it has a gyro to stop it from turning, or at least stop turning the tail ounce i center the stick. as i understand set to normal mode the tail will windmill while in forward flight. if that's true how can it if the gyro stops the servo from centering?

ok i just reread Skarn's one post. so heading hold is on when the gear switch is back (at the 0), and normal is forward (at the 1). so i set the switch to normal to take off then switch to hh to practice my hovering? if so that makes sense now. man my head can be thick sometimes. ok allot :lol:

[Skarn]

You almost got it...you should always keep it in HH mode.
Once setup, there is no need to ever switch back.

On the ground, the tail slider will not center itself when in HH mode if you give rudder input...that is normal. It will act fine in flight.

Skarn

[shaggybirdman]

Skarn

did my settings look right to yo in my above post? am i feeling a attempted hover coming up? actually i'll be using Radd's flight school even though i have some hovering under my belt with my shuttle.

i'm going to make my own training gear. how thick a carbon rod should i use? i have 2 3mm rods already. i think they will be to small. my training gear for my shuttle won't let the skids come anywhere near the ground.

i gotta say i'm getting excited the nearer i get to getting her in the air. :thumbup:

[shaggybirdman]

You almost got it...you should always keep it in HH mode.
Once setup, there is no need to ever switch back.

On the ground, the tail slider will not center itself when in HH mode if you give rudder input...that is normal. It will act fine in flight.

Skarn

i gotta arm it in normal mode though correct then switch to HH correct? hmmmm i wonder if that's why my shuttle was a hand full other than i was learning to fly. i had too many things to do. i'll have to see witch switch is setup for the gyro. it has a 401 as well, and a 7c futaba. can you, or anyone tell me where to go to find out witch switch is setup for the gyro? i'd like to get my shuttle on a spektrum radio as well. i'm tired of cristles. i have a friend that won't use a spektrum radio. he worries about black outs. i guess that's what it's called anyhow. the shuttle will stay on the 7c for the time being. i mite even try to get her in the air this weekend. will be cold, but sunny.

[Skarn]

i gotta arm it in normal mode though correct then switch to HH correct? hmmmm i wonder if that's why my shuttle was a hand full other than i was learning to fly. i had too many things to do. i'll have to see witch switch is setup for the gyro. it has a 401 as well, and a 7c futaba. can you, or anyone tell me where to go to find out witch switch is setup for the gyro? i'd like to get my shuttle on a spektrum radio as well. i'm tired of cristles. i have a friend that won't use a spektrum radio. he worries about black outs. i guess that's what it's called anyhow. the shuttle will stay on the 7c for the time being. i mite even try to get her in the air this weekend. will be cold, but sunny.

No, you HAVE to arm it in HH mode. So for example, if you are going to redo your setup, you'd arm in HH mode, then switch to rate mode and set it up, then back to HH mode to fly. Careful with your terminology....it's called rate mode, not normal mode. That can get confusing since normal mode on your transmitter refers to your pitch and throttle curves...yes you can set up your gyro to use rate mode in normal mode, but there really is no reason to do that.

Now of course there are those folk that do not set it up in rate mode, but I followed the finless video's and it worked great for me this way.

As far as making your own training gear....sorry, I used my old training gear from my Blade CP.

Oh and yes, your gyro settings of 72% for your DX7 are good.

Good luck bro, you are close! And Radd's is definitely a good idea.

Skarn

[GreenCello]

Jerry,
Not to add to the confusion, but if you have 72% in both 0 and 1 positions of your gyro set up, you are not in rate mode. On the DX7 gyro set up rate mode is any value less than 50%and HH is any value greater than 50%. So if you want to check your tail set up in rate you would have to make position 0 or 1 less than 50. Finless recommends using rate mode for initial mechanical set up, then changing your gyro value in all switch positions to HH for flying.

See: Jermo's DX7 Setup Video
and 401 gyro setup

Good Luck

[mk1spitfire]

Jerry,
Not to add to the confusion, but if you have 72% in both 0 and 1 positions of your gyro set up, you are not in rate mode. On the DX7 gyro set up rate mode is any value less than 50%and HH is any value greater than 50%. So if you want to check your tail set up in rate you would have to make position 0 or 1 less than 50. Finless recommends using rate mode for initial mechanical set up, then changing your gyro value in all switch positions to HH for flying.

See: Jermo's DX7 Setup Video
and 401 gyro setup

Good Luck

or switch the gear to gear or aux2 to aux2, take out the gyro in system menu and use the switch in flight screen to flick the led off.

That would mean default negative travel adjust resulting in tail wag in rate mode.

[shaggybirdman]

i don't have a aux 2 on the 6100 receiver. i now have it set as gear = gyro.

i installed a battery, and spun her up without the main blades. everything seemed to operate as expected except the tail. i didn't have the push rod installed. in hh the servo was wiggling trying to control the tail, and in rate mode the servo didn't move unless i made a input.

i got Rich's inverted gyro mount (the thingy), but couldn't find my servo tape. well i got it now, and will install it tonight. gotta balance the blades, clean up the wiring, and check the tracking. then i get to start Radd's training :clappp

tomorrow i goto my friends house to fly... well practice, and fly my cx2. i do love that heli. i mite get the ranger body for it, but still debating on it. my lhs just got some on stock. i think i mite get into scale flying. i have always liked the airwolf fuselage. does a trex make a good platform for scale?

well time for supper, and start tinkering :thumbup:

pics to follow

[shaggybirdman]

well i spooled her up in the living room after i ate. what a rush :) i then said "look what i made:) " she my file, or she my crash. ok she will crash, but i'm still proud of her. a heli isn't like a rc car, or plain. yes building is building, but the setup.... hokey smokes is unlike anything you could ever think of in comparison to a car, or plain. just the radio setup alone.

Look what I made!

[Leaf Blower]

i don't have a aux 2 on the 6100 receiver. i now have it set as gear = gyro.

i installed a battery, and spun her up without the main blades. everything seemed to operate as expected except the tail. i didn't have the push rod installed. in hh the servo was wiggling trying to control the tail, and in rate mode the servo didn't move unless i made a input.

i got Rich's inverted gyro mount (the thingy), but couldn't find my servo tape. well i got it now, and will install it tonight. gotta balance the blades, clean up the wiring, and check the tracking. then i get to start Radd's training :clappp

tomorrow i goto my friends house to fly... well practice, and fly my cx2. i do love that heli. i mite get the ranger body for it, but still debating on it. my lhs just got some on stock. i think i mite get into scale flying. i have always liked the airwolf fuselage. does a trex make a good platform for scale?

well time for supper, and start tinkering :thumbup:

pics to follow
You should consider using Gear = Gear. Why? Well, on a DX7, with an AR6100E, your Gyro will be either AUTO meaning it is tied DIRECTLY to Idle Up, or to the SAME switch as what Rudder D/R ( aka Throttle Hold ). There is no other choices on the Gyro menu.

If you configure using Gear=Gear, then using the Travel Adjustment, set your Hi and your Lo to your desired rates and then use the Gear Switch to change the rates. With your heli unplugged, on your TX, you can use the Monitor function to watch what it does as currently configured (Channel 5 in this case) and what it does configured using Gear/Gear. They work the same - just allow you to use a switch that is not in use anyways.

Good luck

[shaggybirdman]

You should consider using Gear = Gear. Why? Well, on a DX7, with an AR6100E, your Gyro will be either AUTO meaning it is tied DIRECTLY to Idle Up, or to the SAME switch as what Rudder D/R ( aka Throttle Hold ). There is no other choices on the Gyro menu.

If you configure using Gear=Gear, then using the Travel Adjustment, set your Hi and your Lo to your desired rates and then use the Gear Switch to change the rates. With your heli unplugged, on your TX, you can use the Monitor function to watch what it does as currently configured (Channel 5 in this case) and what it does configured using Gear/Gear. They work the same - just allow you to use a switch that is not in use anyways.

Good luck

gear = gear is where i am at now. gives me both rate, and hh. seems to be a good choice so far.