Newbie Questions on: Hyperion EOS0606I AC/DC Balancing Charger 6S, 6A

[stvjeep]

First off I know nothing and am confused with all the info on chargers. I'm looking at buying this charger specifically for charging 6S 5000 mAh lipo's. I have a few questions:

1) How long will it take to "safely" charge the above lipo?

2) Is it quicker to charge via DC instead of off the AC plug in and what do I need to do that?

3) Does it show how much of a charge is left in the lipo after use?

4) Can I charge more then one lipo at a time? ex. 2 3 cells at the same time (so I can use them as a cheap 6 cell)

5) Last one: Is this a good charger for the money?

[Robb]

from my limited experience with lipo's and the hyperion 0606i acdc

1) the 0606i will only "safely" charge at it's own rate, around 1.5 hrs for a 5000
2)wether you charge from ac or dc it'll take the same time.
3)if you hook up your battery and start to charge you can switch to see how much is left in the battery, you can do this with a multi tester and save the time of hooking it up to the charger.
4)no, buy the duo if you want this
5)yes, especially if you get into other types of batteries.

the main reason I bought my 0606i is that I had one cell go bad in an 1800 3s and without the digital display of what's going into each cell I had no idea of the condition of my battery, I did have a few issues with the initial set up of the charger but since then I've used it 3-4 times and now I feel hugely satisfied, if you plan to charge your Tx as well as your flight batteries I'd recomend the 0606i, if all you want to charge is lipos the FMA direct cellpro 4s is an excelent choice for half the money.

hope this helps
Robb

[mjws]

First off I know nothing and am confused with all the info on chargers. I'm looking at buying this charger specifically for charging 6S 5000 mAh lipo's. I have a few questions:

1) How long will it take to "safely" charge the above lipo? The 0606i is limited to 50 watts. Your 6s pack (fully charged) will require 25.2V. 50/25.2 = ~2A charge rate for a 6s pack. That means charge times of over 2.5hrs on a 6s 5000mah pack. The 610i or Duo would be a much better choice for large packs as they are 250w and 180w (per port) chargers. The 610i will charge the HUGE pack at 2C (10A) ~40min. The Duo at 1.5C (7.2A) ~48 min but allow two large packs to charge at once.


2) Is it quicker to charge via DC instead of off the AC plug in and what do I need to do that? No difference.

3) Does it show how much of a charge is left in the lipo after use? When the charge starts it will show the capacity percentage. Otherwise you have to look at the voltage.

4) Can I charge more then one lipo at a time? ex. 2 3 cells at the same time (so I can use them as a cheap 6 cell) Sure. It requires similar packs and similar discharge levels, or things get VERY slow. You need a series balancer harness and a series main harness for 2x3s.

5) Last one: Is this a good charger for the money?Great charger for the money. IF you are charging moderately sized packs. AC built in makes things simple. For large packs like you mentioned, you will end up ditching it for something with the raw power to charge faster.

Mike

[stvjeep]

Hyperion EOS0610I 250W 6S 10A Balancing Charger.

OK so this charger will charge up to 6 Cells at half the time?

There is no AC wall plug included so what do I need to do that, and how much is it?

[mjws]

You need a pretty decent power supply to run a large charger like this at full capacity. None of the higher end chargers work at full power on AC. There are lots of options. From cheap PC Power supply conversions for a couple bucks to full blown highend supplies at a few hundred. The 0610 likes >15V if you are shopping and will run more efficiently on the higher voltage.

I have a set of retired Pb car batts and a AC charger that keeps them topped up. They work great. 2 free PC supplies could also power this easily. Lots of discussion in this thread.

http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=62770

Mike

[arne997]

Is it right that the 0606i only charge Lipos at at fixed rate of max 1C?

[JHickman]

Can i ask a quick question to those of you who have the Hyperion chargers: where did you get the adaptors to connect the Hyperion balancer multi-connector to other makes of batteries and 3S packs? My LHS did not have any adaptors that would allow the connection of other plugs to the Hyperion ones. At least the one sample battery I tried from their shelf had a much smaller balancer connector than would fit on the Hyperion - and as it was a 3S LiPo it only had a 4-prong connector but all the Hyperion ones are 5 - even for 2S and 3S packs. Am i just missing somthing? (Or was the box missing some adaptors?).

Thanks.

[mjws]

The Hyperion chargers will charge at 2C.

There are nice adapters available for pretty much every brand. Your LHS can get them easily and should have sold them with the charger. Here's some pics and info:

http://www.aircraft-world.com/shopexd.asp?id=5112


Mike

[arne997]

MJWS, have you really used the 0606i charger?
What I have found is that the 0606i has a fixed charge rate at 1C for Lipos.
Can you tell me how to change that?

[mjws]

I don't use a 606i every day (have a DUO). But I have set up a few for customers and used them in the shop. You don't set both capacity and charge rate on this charger in lipo mode. Just set the capacity to whatever charge rate in ma you desire. So if you want to charge a 3s 1000mah pack at 2C... you set it to 2000 i.e 2 amps. There is no '2C' parameter. You just set the current directly and the manual happens to label it 'capacity' to simplify things for beginners.

That said I don't have one in front of me at the moment, but can take a look tomorrow.

Mike

[arne997]

OK that might be the way!
I have tried the other way around with charging a 2000 mah with 1000 mah (0,5C),
but that didnt work because the charger didnt want to charge more than 1000 mah in to the battery?

[stvjeep]

After a lot of searching here is what I found:

- a good power supply: (Meets Hyperion 0610i minimum of: 15V; 14A; 350W)

Pyramid PS36KX (15v, 32A, 480w) $110


- What Hyperion Recommends:

BK Precision Model 1692 (15v, 40A, 600w) $300!!!


Now with the pyramid power supply how fast can I charge a 5000 mAh 22.2 6 Cell lipo? Please show the calculation so I can use it myself and stop asking questions.

Thanks in advance guys!



(http://wattsupply.com/s.nl/sc.19/category.2200/.f)

[mjws]

I'll assume you mean on the 610i as you referenced it. Not the 606 as per thread title.

Your 6s pack (fully charged) will require 25.2V.
For a 5000mah pack. 1C is 5A and will take around 1 hour. 2C is 10A and will take around 40min.

Not a whole lot of math involved just pick your charge rate. The reason smaller chargers take longer is they don't have the output capacity to charge at a 2C rate. 25.2V * 10A = 250w only the 610 will get you that much power. The 1210 and DUO would be limited to 7.5A (180w) or around 1.5C.

Mike

[JHickman]

Can I ask another basic question about the 0606i charger?
To monitor the 80% maximum discharge rule how do I tell how much charge was put back into a pack on this charger? I've read the manual but it does not seem to speak to this. I haven't actually used the charger yet (still waiting on the balancing adaptors) so maybe it will be obvious when I try it, but I really don't want to damage my LiPo batteries so any advice is appreciated.

Thanks,
John

[dws6]

Were can I get the series balancer harness or do I have to make it? If i have to make it does anyone have a schematic for 2 - 3S packs?

[BIRDBRAIN]

and where do i get a tp adapter for the 0606i they are out of stock every place i look. has it been like this for a while? can i make my own?

[kgfly]

You might find this information useful:

Bantam BC6 vs MaxproX6 vs EOS0606iAD/MP860DS vs TP610 vs iCharger 106B
kgfly, Apr 2008

Quality/reliability
The BC6 is the oldest of the group and has an excellent track record for simplicity, performance, reliability and quality. It has many features. The rest are too new to know yet although I have not seen any bad comments about quality or performance issues for any of the newer chargers.

Input power:
BC6 and 0606iAD/MP860DS have integrated ac/dc power supplies which is very convenient and saves the cost of a separate DC power supply.

X6/610C/106B require an external DC power supply of at least 125W/100W/230W respectively.

Output power:
BC6 = 50W/5A, 0606iAD/MP860DS = 50W/6A, TP610C = 80W/10A, X6 = 100W/5A, i106B = 180W/10A

If you are looking for higher power, the 100W/5A rating of the X6 is better for 5s/6s whereas the 80W/10A of the 610c is better for 4s and below but the 180W/10A of the i106 eclipses them both. The following table reveals the relative utility of these different output power ratings.
Charger Output Current Estimates v1.1
======================================

LiPo CC charge voltage 3.75
LiFe CC charge voltage 3.4

Charger output rating (max Watts and max Amps)
------------ ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
LiPo 50 100 150 80 180 200 220 250 300
no. of cells 5 5 7 10 10 10 10 10 10
------------ ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
2 5.0 5.0 7.0 10.0 10.0 10.0 10.0 10.0 10.0
3 4.4 5.0 7.0 7.1 10.0 10.0 10.0 10.0 10.0
4 3.3 5.0 7.0 5.3 10.0 10.0 10.0 10.0 10.0
5 2.7 5.0 7.0 4.3 9.6 10.0 10.0 10.0 10.0
6 2.2 4.4 6.7 3.6 8.0 8.9 9.8 10.0 10.0
------------ ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
7 1.9 3.8 5.7 3.0 6.9 7.6 8.4 9.5 10.0
8 1.7 3.3 5.0 2.7 6.0 6.7 7.3 8.3 10.0
9 1.5 3.0 4.4 2.4 5.3 5.9 6.5 7.4 8.9
10 1.3 2.7 4.0 2.1 4.8 5.3 5.9 6.7 8.0
11 1.2 2.4 3.6 1.9 4.4 4.8 5.3 6.1 7.3
12 1.1 2.2 3.3 1.9 4.0 4.4 4.9 5.6 6.7
------------ ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----


Charger output rating (max Watts and max Amps)
------------ ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
LiFe 50 100 150 80 180 200 220 250 300
no. of cells 5 5 7 10 10 10 10 10 10
------------ ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
2 5.0 5.0 7.0 10.0 10.0 10.0 10.0 10.0 10.0
3 4.9 5.0 7.0 7.8 10.0 10.0 10.0 10.0 10.0
4 3.7 5.0 7.0 5.9 10.0 10.0 10.0 10.0 10.0
5 2.9 5.0 7.0 4.7 10.0 10.0 10.0 10.0 10.0
6 2.5 4.9 7.0 3.9 8.8 9.8 10.0 10.0 10.0
------------ ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----
7 2.1 4.2 6.3 3.4 7.6 8.4 9.2 10.0 10.0
8 1.8 3.7 5.5 2.9 6.6 7.4 8.1 9.2 10.0
9 1.6 3.3 4.9 2.6 5.9 6.5 7.2 8.2 9.8
10 1.5 2.9 4.4 2.4 5.3 5.9 6.5 7.4 8.8
11 1.3 2.7 4.0 2.1 4.8 5.3 5.9 6.7 8.0
12 1.2 2.5 3.7 2.0 4.4 4.9 5.4 6.1 7.4
------------ ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----

LCD:
BC6, Maxpro, i106B = very clear from all angles
0606i (assuming it is the same as 0610i) = poor contrast and hard to read from off-perpendicular

Ease of learning/use
Of the ones I have tried, the BC6 and MaxproX6 are both very easy to learn and to use. The Hyperion is slightly harder to learn/remember but if it is your only charger you will get used to it quickly. I don't yet have hands-on experience with the TP610C or i106B.

The BC6 lets you turn off the various beeps and tones which is a feature I really like and is missing from the Maxpro. It is present on the i106B but not sure about beep/tone control on the others.

Feature summaries
FMA CellPro4S (~$75)
- Requires DC power
- LiXx only: LiPo/LiFe(aka A123)
- 2S to 4S integrated balance charger
- 50W/4A output (3s @ 4A, 4s @ 3A)
- Normal, Fast and Storage LiPo cycles
- No discharge feature
- optional PC interface (logging only)
- optional balance plug adapters

Bantam eStation BC6 (~$150)
- ac/dc input
- Full multichemsitry LiXx/NiXx/Pb
- 2s-6s integrated balance charger
- 50W/5A output
- Balance current 300mA
- Normal, Fast, Balance and Storage LiXx cycles
- Discharge features (7W)
- 5 memories
- optional temperature probe
- optional PC interface (logging only)
- wide range of balance plug adapters

Hyperion 0606iAD (~$140)
Mega Power Poseidon-860DS (~$110)
- ac/dc input
- Full multichemsitry LiXx/NiXx/Pb
- 2s-6s integrated balance charger
- 50W/6A output
- Balance current 300mA
- Normal, Balance LiXx cycles (NO Storage feature)
- NO discharge
- NO memories
- NO PC interface
- NO temperature probe
- wide range of balance plug adapters

ThunderPower 610C (~$130)
- Requires DC power
- Full multichemsitry LiXx/NiXx/Pb
- Integrated 2S-6S balancer
- 80W/10A output
- Balance current ???mA
- Normal and ?? LiPo cycles
- Discharge features
- 25 memories
- ?? PC interface ??
- ?? temperature probe ??
- ?? Balance port adapters ??

Maxpro X6 (~$140)
- Requires DC power
- Full multichemsitry LiXx/NiXx/Pb
- 2s-6s integrated balance charger
- 100W/5A output
- Balance current 400mA
- Normal, Fast, Balance and Storage LiXx cycles
- Discharge features (12W)
- No memories
- included temperature probe
- included PC interface (logging and firmware upgrades)
- some balance plug adapters (JST-XH, TP/FP)

iCharger 106B (~$100)
- Requires DC power
- Full multichemsitry LiXx/NiXx/Pb
- 2s-6s integrated balance charger
- 180W/10A output
- Balance current 300mA
- Normal, Fast, Slow, Balance and Storage LiXx cycles
- Discharge features (20W)
- 10 memories
- optional temperature probe
- no PC interface
- some balance plug adapters


Conclusion
If you want the convenience of an integrated ac/dc power supply then the BC6 is the top offering. The extra features, simpler use model and better LCD (at a guess) more than make up for the small price difference from the 0606iAD. The emergence of the MP 860DS, which appears to be the same as the 0606iAD but at a bargain price makes it the value leader.


If you want more than 50W output but don't want to spend more than $150 then the i106B is the clear value leader. On features and performance it competes against other high-power chargers like the BC6-10 and EOS0610i but on price it is down in this group. A new model from a new brand, it is a bit of an unknown quantity, but promising.

Otherwise it is a toss up between the MaxproX6 and the TP610. Both offer good value in terms of features and power. The ability for the user to install firmware updates on the Maxpro is very appealing . In most cases in the US though, it is probably easier to get backup and support for the TP610C and it is bound to be popular.


And this +-----------------------------------+
| KGLFY's Balance Charger Summary |
| 12 Apr 2008 |
+-----------------------------------+

Integrated Balance Chargers
===========================
These offer simplicity and convenience with the balancer and charger combined
in the same case. Simpler, more convenient, take up less bench space and
easier to transport.

--------- ------------ -------------- --------- ----- ------------- ----------- --------------------------------------------
Brand Model Chemistry Balancer Input Output Price (USD) Notes
--------- ------------ -------------- --------- ----- ------------- ----------- --------------------------------------------
FMA Cellpro4S LiXx only 2s-4s dc 50W/4A $75 Excellent, simple, hugely popular, great value
--------- ------------ -------------- --------- ----- ------------- ----------- --------------------------------------------
Bantam eStation BC6 multi 2s-6s ac/dc 50W/5A $170 Proven high quality. Integrated ac/dc power supply is great
Hyperion EOS0606iAD multi 2s-6s ac/dc 50W/6A $150 Integrated ac/dc supply but not as good as the BC6
MegaPower 860DS multi 2s-6s ac/dc 50W/6A $110 Appears to be the same as the Hyperion 0606iAD
TP TP610 multi 2s-6s dc 80W/10A $130 New model from respected TP brand
KongPower 100W6 multi 2s-6s dc 100W/5A $150 New model based on the MaxproX6, likely to be just as good
Maxpro X6 multi 2s-6s dc 100W/5A $140 New brand, good user comments so far
iCharger 106B multi 2s-6s dc 180W/10A $100 New brand, good spec.s, no user feedback seen so far
Bantam BC610 multi 2s-6s dc 200W/10A $180 Same great charger as the BC6 but 200W/10A (dc input only)
Hyperion EOS0610iNET multi 2s-6s dc 250W/10A $170 Most bang for buck in terms of features+output power
Hyperion EOS0610iDUO multi 2s-6s x 2 dc 180W/10A each $270 Very handy if you discharge packs in pairs
--------- ------------ -------------- --------- ----- ------------- ----------- --------------------------------------------
Bantam eStation BC8 multi 2s-8s dc 150W/7A $270 Proven high quality
--------- ------------ -------------- --------- ----- ------------- ----------- --------------------------------------------
Chargery 1010B multi 2s-10s dc 200W/10A $240 New brand, good spec.s, good feedback so far
iCharger 1010B multi 2s-10s dc 200W/10A $180 New brand, good spec.s, good feedback so far
--------- ------------ -------------- --------- ----- ------------- ----------- --------------------------------------------
FMA Cellpro10S LiXx only 2s-5s x 2 dc 200W/10A $190 Not independent dual port. 1A balancer is a strength.
--------- ------------ -------------- --------- ----- ------------- ----------- --------------------------------------------
Graupner Ultra DUO 50 multi 2x-7s x 2 ac/dc 360W/10A $530 Very impressive beast, but expensive. Integrated AC power supply
for up to 120W max output power, else run it off DC to get 180W/10A
per port or 250W/10A on a single port. Appears to be two independent
channels, each with its own display and controls.
--------- ------------ -------------- --------- ----- ------------- ----------- --------------------------------------------



Non-integrated charger+balancer combos
======================================
This is the older style where the balancer is an add-on accessory to the charger.
Less convenient since it means more boxes, more cables, more things to configure,
store and transport.

--------- -------------- -------------- ------------------- ----- ------------- ----------- --------------------------------------------
Brand Model Chemistry Balancer Input Output Price (USD) Notes
--------- -------------- -------------- ------------------- ----- ------------- ----------- --------------------------------------------
TME Xtrema LiXx BAL+BIM 2s-6s dc 150W/8A $265 Includes power meter functions. Complex and expensive
2 x BAL+BIM 2s-12s dc 150W/8A $360 Includes power meter functions. Complex and expensive
TP 1010C multi 210V 2s-10s dc 220W/10A $300 Top performer, hugely popular in US
Hyperion EOS1210i multi 2 x LBA10 2s-12s dc 180W/10A $240 Good value
Bantam eStation 902 multi 2 x PB6 2s-12s dc 200W/9.9A $400 Proven high quality
MEGA POWER Infinity 960SR multi 1 x LCB12 2s-12s dc 180W/10A $200 Good value, great LCD, 2nd NiXx-only port to
charge your Tx in parallel with your flight battery
--------- -------------- -------------- ------------------- ----- ------------- ----------- --------------------------------------------

Notes
=====
1) "multi" means at least: NiCd/NiMH/Pb/LiPo/LiFe
2) "LiXx only" means at least: LiPo/LiFe

[ualdrivr]

Can i ask a quick question to those of you who have the Hyperion chargers: where did you get the adapters to connect the Hyperion balancer multi-connector to other makes of batteries and 3S packs? My LHS did not have any adapters that would allow the connection of other plugs to the Hyperion ones. At least the one sample battery I tried from their shelf had a much smaller balancer connector than would fit on the Hyperion - and as it was a 3S LiPo it only had a 4-prong connector but all the Hyperion ones are 5 - even for 2S and 3S packs. Am i just missing somthing? (Or was the box missing some adapters?).

Thanks.

JHickman,

You need to purchase the other adapters that Hyperion does not include in the package, here is a link: http://www.allerc.com/product_info.php?cPath=10&products_id=3162
but you have to hurry because they go fast.

Just check what battery you have and order the right adapter. Hope this helps.

:cheers Panos

[ualdrivr]

After a lot of searching here is what I found:

- a good power supply: (Meets Hyperion 0610i minimum of: 15V; 14A; 350W)

Pyramid PS36KX (15v, 32A, 480w) $110


- What Hyperion Recommends:

BK Precision Model 1692 (15v, 40A, 600w) $300!!!


Now with the pyramid power supply how fast can I charge a 5000 mAh 22.2 6 Cell lipo? Please show the calculation so I can use it myself and stop asking questions.

Thanks in advance guys!



(http://wattsupply.com/s.nl/sc.19/category.2200/.f)

stvjeep,

this is what you need to run 610i Duo at max power.

I just posted this :http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=71398

:cheers Panos