Hitech HG-5000 Gyro Setup / Review

[ride1226]

cant seem to figure out what im doing wrong here. I have a spektrum dx7 with a 6100 rx. im trying to have the gyro learn radio type. my rx powers up and initializes the learning part of the gyro just fine. when the gyro stops on its last led i go to center stick and it learns then initializes, but for whatever reason when i flip my gear switch to make the heading and rate mode light go on and off, it does not work. am i messing up the learning part somewhere. on my dx7 i have the gear channel set to "gyro" so i figured that would be how it goes and the single wire plug on the gyro is plugged into the gear channel. any help?

[sd0]

I just put one of these on my Blade 400, and did a quick hover test in front of the house at midnight, with night blades, and it holds so good compared to the crap G110 that was on it. I didn't do any rate mode set up at all, just followed Bob's instructions on gyro setup/install, centered the servo and pitch slider, set limits, and it hovered perfect, no drift no wag no nothing. Tommorow I will make a daytime test flight, but so far I love it.

[davidwp56]

Ok,
I'm back here again, as I have just gone thru the 5000 gyro set up vid again as I'm still having problems with the gyro servo creeping. ( see post #23 ). I have gone thru every setting inside and out but I still get the nose greeping to the left.This happens even sitting on the bench, power up and the servo ceeps to the end point. This is the Logictech 2100 which I believe is very similar to the Hitec 5000. Anyone have any ideas, I've searched the 450 forum, but haven't really found anything that I haven't yet checked already.

[urin8]

Ok,
I still get the nose creeping to the left.This happens even sitting on the bench, power up and the servo creeps to the end point. This is the Logictech 2100.

I had this happen to a 2100t after a one of many crashes, the nose constantly drifted right in HH mode but held fine in rate mode. I could never rectify it, tossed it out and bought a new HG-5000 which has been in one very mild crash and has since started drifting on the bench but still holds fine in the air.
I've had two 2100t's and a hg-5000. my next gyro will be a futaba.

[Vinger]

The 2100 and any DX radio are a bit tricky to setup. The main thing to do is to rebind the system AFTER you have made all the adjustments iot ensure the receiver sees the correct neutral when booting up. On some TX's it even helps to set a little bit of subtrim untill servo stops creeping and then do the rebind.

It certainly cured my setup on the MiniT, DX7, 2100. Had to set R6 on rudder subtrim and rebind.:thumbup:

[davidwp56]

Thanks guys,
This gyro is new and hasn't had any impact/crashes so hopefully thats not it. Vinder, funny you should mention sub-trim, general thinking is no sub trim or trim, but in trying everything I actually put in some subtrim today, ended up with just 1 and this stopped the drift, not sure if for some reason my set up is changing because I have rebound before and seemed to solve the problem but its come back. Have re set everything to zero and rebound again tonite, will give it another go in the morning, if all else fails again will try the sub trim and re bind as you say and give it a go.

Thanks.

[bflores]

Just realize it's not the hottest gyro out there. Again my only complaint is piro rate.

Bob

Bob,

Thanks for the setup video on the HG-5000! We have been waiting for you to save us for a while now, with a Hi-Tec setup video.

This is my 2nd 450, and I too agree... The piro rate rate on the HG-5000/HSG5083MG Heli is not like my older GY401/S9650 combo Heli. I wasnt sure if it was the Hi-Tec servo, the gyro or my setup. I followed the instructions, 777 setup videos (http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=44785) and now your setup videos. All of them end with the same results.

From: http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=4336
I took the HG-5000 out to the field today, and it flew very stable. I just could'nt configure the Hitec HG-5000 gyro / HSG-5083MG servo combo to be as fast or as responsive to rudder input as the GY401 / S9650 servo combo. The GY401 rotates lightning fast and stops on a pin head. The HG-5000 spins the tail much slower. I just could'nt configure or program the Hitec to respond like the Futaba product.

Bob.. Thanks for all your hard work, and for always helping us out. You are truly the best resource the Micro-Heli world has! So what is the hottest gyro out on the market???!!! What are you runnin' or would love to run on that smokin' Beam E4?!!!!!! We need a recommendation from the PRO! Should we just stick with the GY401 / 9650 combo? JR G770, Spartan, etc? In short.. I personally won't be investing any more resources or time into this Hit-Tec product. It's Game Over man.... GAME OVER!!!! :)

[crashgsxr]

hi all just had a trex 500 thank u 4 all the videos i would of bin lost with out them thank u thank you thank you

[Finless]

Brian.... funny as I tried working with the gyro again just yesterday on the beam. Bottom line with rudder ATV at 150 the piro rate is just OK but like you said not NEAR as lighting fast as my 401. It holds REALLY well and response is good but I still like a faster piro rate myself. Most sport flyers will probably be fine with the piro rate.

The Spartan gyro is currently my favorite. as small as the HG/LT, easier to program, the code can be updated, etc etc etc....

Bob

[Vinger]

Please guys/girls, compare apples with apples. Any scientific measurement done to verify the piro rate as being slower or is it just a feel. Test it with the same servo and heli as used on the Futaba gyro. Settings perfect etc etc etc.

Only state facts if you want to shoot down a product, especially a sponsored one.:confused:

I have three of the LT 2100's on helis as well as Curtis Youngblood and Futaba's products, my LT 2100's (with matching servos) are anyday a match for more expensive products and give piros so fast that your eyes water, had to turn down the ATV to 70-75% to get it to my liking. So obviously you guys are doing something wrong.

[Finless]

Ummm dude.... I have in fact tested 1 to 1 on the same damn heli. Not sure what you consider lightning fast piro rate but a 450 with a 401 and rudder ATV set to 110 will spin so fast there is NO POSSIBLE way to tell when you stop what heading your going to be in. That is what I call a lightning fast piro rate.

Have you seen the Rave 450 video from Curtis using the Curtis gyro? That's how fast I am talking about! See it here if you have not already:
http://www.rave-3d.com/raveteaserhd720.wmv

With this gyro I CANNOT get that. As I said most pilots will be fine with the piro rate at 150 ATV but sorry not me. I want it if I can get it and I cant get it with this gyro PERIOD.

So in fact all I can say is this is what I have found. Is it a bad gyro because of this? NOPE.... Is it better than a 401? Well that I will say is a apples to oranges comparison! I like the fact you can set the end points on each side. The 401 lacks this. That is a benefit. Does it hold better than a 401? I will debate that as I cant tell the difference. Is the piro consistency in wind on maneuvers better than a 401? I would say yes.
So see there are some benefits that this gyro does better than a 401 but there are some trade offs as well.... For me I don't like the slow piro rate and sorry to say I myself prefer the 401 at this point on a 450 sized heli. I can deal with the piro inconsistency on the 401 by tweakin end points and flying the tail a little more. I can't deal with the slow piro rate....

Now finally... I have played with setup of this gyro a million times but hey... I am the first to admit I forked something up if in fact I did. Show me a video of the SAME 450 having a piro rate like that and then explain why I cant get it (as many other have said) and I will back down and redo my setup video....

So your turn... Show the proof!

Bob

[Bignose13]

Bob
I found this on another site
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=670786&page=3&highlight=logitech+2100t

Although it is a Logitech 2100t it is basically the same gyro.
But I'm with you on this, I had one on a Mini Titan I had and I could never get a good piro speed and I played with with it a Zillion time also the gyro never felt LOCKED in if you know what I mean, so swapped for a 401 and after 2 mins setting up, I had a smile back on my face, I wont buy another but thats not to say they are a bad gyro they were just not for me.

Simon

[bflores]

obviously you guys are doing something wrong.

For an "in short" Hi-Tec summary… The hitec gyro was very stable, but the piro rate was a little slow for me. I spent 8 months (YES 8 MONTHS) configuring, consulting, testing, experimenting, posting, requesting help… all with an exhaustive, no end solution, to my piro rate expectations (link to 8 month thread (http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=43365)). After 8 months, I just decided to cut and move on. I personally believe we have all been more than fair to the Hi-tec gyro product. We all seem to agree that it holds well, and the piro speed may be fine for others.. just not for me. I don’t think that’s bad mouthing… I sum that up as just plain ole’ HeliFreak’ing. Product reviews are the most powerful feature of helifreak for me.

I ordered the Spartan DS760 Gyro and a Futaba S9257 EP heli digital rudder servo, and they are on their way. I will post my results (before and after). I just hope it doesn’t take another 8 months, to produce a result! :shock:

[muscleflex]

when you guys say slow pyro rate - can you post a vid of how slow you guys are talking about? i just saw that vid finless posted of curtis - and WOW! i've never seen anything like it... which leads me to my next question to those mentioning slow pyro rate - do you guys do it as fast as curtis? that wasn't a flame, btw, just a question coz i was planning on getting this HG gyro...and i can't even do 3d yet!

[Finless]

Yes my 450's are set up that way and I can get that kind of piro rate. I dont do it that often (it's hard on the belt) but I like that it is there if I need it. I run 20% expo on rudder so I can get a smooth control of tail around center and a decent general piro rate as I move the stck out. Going full rudder and yes... I get that kind of piro rate.

Bob

[RMG2]

Bob, as new heli pilot lurking, learning, and taking notes, I see two sides to this discussion regarding this new Hi-Tec gyro. The expert opinon, and "the-rest-of-us" opinion.

Would it be fair, and accurate to adivse that the average (majority) heli pilot will likely be totally happy with the Hi-Tec gyro, especially new folks like myself? And then those fewer (minority) expert class pilots will likely not be happy with the allowable piro rate?

Would this be a fair and honest assessment to end this issue as to use of this gyro?

[Finless]

Yes that is a very fair statement!
As I said the gyro work well, hold really well, is small etc....

If they fixed the piro rate I would be using this on birds that I have 401's on.
Yes that fast piro rate is a advanced pilot desire. Realize though... one day you too may want more piro rate so you may out grow it.

Bob

[testpilot58d]

This may be a dumb question from a relative newbie, but I'm a real world Heli pilot and a maintenance guy, so a lot of the stuff translates between the two worlds.

That being said. Piro rate is going to be based on how much tail pitch you have in is it not? Full Left rudder is full left rudder, is full left rudder, whether there's a logitech, or futaba, or hoover gyro attached to it I don't see where there is a difference. If I give and hold full left stick, the gyro is not changing the output of my servo, its holding it to the endpoint that I set (in this case max deflection left and right), so wouldn't 'piro rate' be based entirely upon tail setup?


or when you guys say 'piro rate' are you talking about how quickly it gets from a held heading to the 'psycho spin'?

or am I missing something?

[davidwp56]

Testpilot58d, good question, I've been looking at these posts myself and thinking the same as you, the only thing I could think of is the gyro for some reason may back away from full deflection?? even at full input. Would like to know the reasons behind Piro rate differances as well.

[ride1226]

I just wish i could get mine to learn my radio right so i could set my bird up completly.

[Finless]

Yes that is correct... the gyro is NOT putting the pitch slider to full or I would get the same insane piro rate I get with a 401. So yes you are correct full pitch is full pitch but it is obvious the gyro is not doing that.

Bob

[bflores]

Ok.. WOW! What a difference!

Just finished in under 2 hours. Removed the Hitec HG-5000 / HSG-5083MG and Installed the new Spartan DS760 / Futaba S9257. With about 30 minutes of gyro programming, and about about another 30 minutes tweaking; I am ready to go!

This Spartan gyro is Heli-FREAKING SWEEEEEEEEET! I am off to the field! wish me luck!

[Vinger]

Ok.. WOW! What a difference!

Just finished in under 2 hours. Removed the Hitec HG-5000 / HSG-5083MG and Installed the new Spartan DS760 / Futaba S9257. With about 30 minutes of gyro programming, and about about another 30 minutes tweaking; I am ready to go!

This Spartan gyro is Heli-FREAKING SWEEEEEEEEET! I am off to the field! wish me luck!
Again as I have said before, compare apples with apples, the Spartan/S9257 combo are nearly double the cost of the Hitec/Logictech combo, so obviously one would get better tail control, REMEMBER YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

There is a market and a place for all products, let's just be fair and compare products equally.

[bflores]

the Spartan/S9257 combo are nearly double the cost of the Hitec/Logictech combo

The cost difference was $94, between both combos. Well worth every penny for me!

Flew and tested the Spartan DS760 this Saturday and Sunday. The Spartan piro rates are wicked fast!!!!! And soooo easy to setup!!!! I feel like I could write a master card priceless commercial with this experience.

Anyone interested in buying my HG-5000 combo? I'll make you one heck of a deal! I'll even sell it for half the price of the Spartan ($137), if anyone is interested. Vinger?

[HeliBru]

Need Help!

Earlier, I had used 401 w 3154 on my Belt-CP, just doing basic flight, no 3D or something harder, and they worked fine until I crashed and I found my 3154 getting so hot. I guess either I damaged the 3154 myself or perhaps it just had a bad reputation in some other discussion I came across.

Thus I bought this Hitec combo but I just can't get it setup correctly. Almost give up but I need someone to help. My current setup with my Tx - Futaba T6EX: -

1. D/R100%, EPA 140%, Trim 0%, no sub trim on this Tx
2. Done the scanning part
3. Servo Type : First LED
4. Gain: TL = +70% Normal = -25%
5. Gyro compensation - This part is weird (maybe I was so used to 401), I noticed you can't check this in Normal mode, it just don't move when you turn the tail. It only moves in TL mode. Anyway, as long it moves, I can then confirm it compensate to the right direction, then I'm not that worry.
6. Linkage setup - the latest manual (Hitec site) recommends 25% gain. This is a bit confusing whether to put -25 or +25 % on my Tx, but anyway I can confirm the first LED lighten up when I switch to the Normal mode.
Q-why can't I get a straight heading in the normal mode? I've done the same thing like 401, moving the servo back & forth, but for this it just go crazy, it likes to turn left and right at the same time?
Well I tot it may due to wind as long it didn't constantly rotate in one direction, then I'm there with the setup. Thus, switch to TL and there the PROBLEM, it holds, but it kicks (about 20 deg wags) whenever I : a. changing the throttle b. when I turn the rudder left or right eemmmmm THIS IS THE PROBLEM.
7. Limit Setting - This is good, I can't achieve this with 401. You can set Left & Right limit indepently on the gyro without messing around with the EPAs in your Tx & your tail slider don't have to be centered too.
8. Piroueette Rate - I leave this to factory default i.e. 1st LED as I found it rotated fast enough at my stage.

Can't give up on something new & works well for others!

Helibru.