Gasser gator

[Zaptorgasser]

At middle of process of 3 heli building I have found that Stator Gator is not in production any more. All 3 kits going to gasser newbies - they paid and expecting fully set up ready to go kits. I had to stop at the project and spent some time to develop my own opto-gator.
Some people already know that from Runryder :clappp MR was probably at vacations :tongue So, the life created me new product line even I did not expected - here is new name and new product name http://ga/ - creating the manual now, should be ready by Monday.

[Tom Fiddler]

Well I am pleased to announce that I have found a manufacturer to continue to build my well known line of sensors. There will be a link to the manufacturer at www.statorgator.com as soon as production begins.

I, in no way have given permission to, or will be affliated with gassergator!

Thank You
Tom Fiddler
Stator Gator

[WayneBrown]

I think it's a pretty cheap shot to spin the StatorGator name..

[WillJames]

I figured that was the case when I saw photos where he cut the epoxy off a StatorGator and reverse engineered it. :noteworthy:noteworthy

I guess the people who told me that a Leopard does not change his spots was right about Zaptor. I am glad I have good people to advise me, thank you guys!!

[tad]

If tom did not want to produce SG anymore why does it upset so many people if someone else picks up where he left off.

If you or I wanted to improve upon an existing product would we not find out how the other product works first. Wether we like this person or not, he has every right to produce a similar product. As far as I know there is no patent or copyright, hence, no infringement. By keeping part of the original name he is just being smart. Tom was foolish not to protect his product.

[Zaptorgasser]

WillJames (http://www.helifreak.com/member.php?u=2): "reverse engineered it" - From your point of view you are right . I did the reverse en. and expected some much higher technology than I found in reality. What I found was solution can say historical - end of year 2002 when was the SG sold for USD 40 shipped. I don't know how much was the parts price at year 2002 but today all what is in SG cost less than ONE dollar. So, in this case by RE of the black box i learned nothing :noteworthy. I'm really curious who will show up with the SG in near future with no domain name no product name.
Anyway - big deal about NOTHING here and RR. When Tom stop the production with no any notice, I asked my friend in China - marketing manager in company associated with TT . Described him the situation and asked if can be made in China or Taiwan. Answer was quick and short: No, we have already looked at it few times and there is no market for it - does not make sense at this time. The result of my RE: The system is old, I learned nothing, as described at RR, I'm not electronic professional but as a CNC enthusiast i know lots and much better ways how to obtain the signal for any governor from the Zenoah engines. :noteworthy As TAD said: "As far as backwards engineering goes, that's how an intelligent person would improve on a design." is the reality now. I have looked in it, found nothing what could surprised me in good way and now I have (we have) my own much better and much safer product with unlimited life warranty. Whats wrong here now??

[cbergen]

The problem that I and others who have known Tom Fiddler and used his product since HE developed the idea of the Stator Gator is YOUR use of the GATOR name in your reengineering. It may be legal, but certainly NOT ethical.

We sell quite a few gassers, and have sold a few stator gators with those gassers, but will NOT recommend any of our customers to use "your" product.

Just the way it is....

[Zaptorgasser]

Chris, Nice to met you - thing here is forum about helis not a messenger where people posting personal messages - I'm sorry that I become your competitor and automatically your enemy :noteworthy Have advice for you: VARIO developed the gassers long time before you started produce them - you shold stop to produce the gassers ;)

[cbergen]

VARIO developed the gassers long time before you started produce them

You sure about that??:)

You are the only one making "enemies" here. Just because you may be a "competitor" (and that is a stretch), does not necessarily make you my "enemy". Only YOU can do that.

Back to the point, Your unethical use of "gator" will make MANY people upset. That will win you NO friendship awards here or anywhere.

Good luck.

[Zaptorgasser]

"You sure about that??" Absolute:) they not far from place where I born.
"Your unethical use of "gator"
I'm sure if the product become more profitable, another XY gators appear on the market...
So, IMHO the device is simple and nothing to really develop - thing more than developer is Tom founder of name for heli device - people will say shortly: " Get some gator" ;)
Anyway, glad we are back to the message at header at this forum. Your first message sounds more aggressive
Have nice day :noteworthy

[magasser]

Hey Zap
Chris is right here!! Why don’t you just call the thing a Gasser Poofavalve or something else!!Leave the gator out, it’s not yours to use
After all, if it’s that good as you say it is you might sell a couple of unit’s maybe!!

There’s only one Stator Gator!!!

Cheers Patty

[cbergen]

I repeat, "good luck".

[Zaptorgasser]

CB: Thanks same to you :noteworthy
Magaser: As I said below, there is lots noise for nothing - there is no bussiness yet thats it. And second, this is my hobby and joy not job...

[WayneBrown]

I wouldn't have a problem with banning you to the otherr forums.
Your greed will be your undoing.

[Tom Fiddler]

Who say's this guy will "Improve" anything. I would safely say my product has well over 15,000 flights on it. So just how much improvement did it need?
Now as far as use of the name Gator, Lets say the "improved" gassergator is produced and it causes heli's to glitch or crash. Now what does that do to the good name of Stator Gator?

Paul asked me if it was ok to build them, I told him no and sent him the same buyout plan as I have sent 30 other people. He said he would just go out on his own. I told him not to use the name of my company.
So he twists the name and moves on. (except for his You Tube account)

There is legal and there is right. I am thankfull that most people still know the difference.

[Zaptorgasser]

Sorry Tom going to swoop the You Tube account to domain name.

[Tom Fiddler]

Please do , thank you

By the way, I just ordered 1 of your sensors, can't wait to see it.

[kcflier]

Saw this on the otheRR forum, EVERYONE BEWARE! Zaptorgasser is one of the LARGEST scam artist on the net! HE is a FRAUD and should be treated as such.
That guy truely deserves a good beatdown for the amount of people he has ripped off!
If anyone is not aware of who he is, just do a google search on: Aeroomni
THATS why he allways lists a differant location then his REAL location!

Quote:{Ali.heliali is really in Spain.
You may have heard of him.. Aeroomni }Qoute

[Zaptorgasser]

" THATS why he allways lists a differant location then his REAL location!"
Nice explanation :thumbup: Should I fly just around my house?? :noteworthy
Try to find more info from more sources before you attack somebody. Easy to do hard to take back... :confused:
http://gass

[BarracudaHockey]

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" THATS why he allways lists a differant location then his REAL location!"

How come you're lying about your location?

Same ole Aeroomni :D

[DavidH]

VARIO developed the gassers long time before you started produce them

That is funny. Because Vario was not the first to produce a gasser either. It fact there was 3-4 other manufactuers with gassers before Vario ever produced one.
The Zenoah G23 that is/was so widely use in gas powered helicopters. It use to have KALT embossed on the lower crankcase.

Since you like to quote our motto of Fun,Learning, Friendship and Mutual Respect when someone disagrees with you. You should have thought about the Mutual Respect part before you ripped off part of Tom's business name to use as your own.
I thought you might have changed, but your still dealing the same trash you was dealing under the Aeroomini name.

David

[wren1702]

That is funny. Because Vario was not the first to produce a gasser either. It fact there was 3-4 other manufactuers with gassers before Vario ever produced one.
The Zenoah G23 that is/was so widely use in gas powered helicopters. It use to have KALT embossed on the lower crankcase.

Since you like to quote our motto of Fun,Learning, Friendship and Mutual Respect when someone disagrees with you. You should have thought about the Mutual Respect part before you ripped off part of Tom's business name to use as your own.
I thought you might have changed, but your still dealing the same trash you was dealing under the Aeroomini name.

David

Preach on Brother, preach on.

What a rip of someone else's name......

[WillJames]

This forum is not a place for the back and forth crap. People with good products don't need to take another companies name. People with good reputations who do the right thing do not have to make up and use different alias's on different forums. Zaptor or whatever alias you are, you have a history of bad dealings and we as a site/community/collective generally do not allow that to go on here. I told you when you first came over and wanted to buy ads that this was a good place to redeem yourself and we could let bygones be bygones. You are posting photos of you cutting apart Tom's device and "making your own". As was mentioned before there is a difference between right and wrong. Nothing personal, but why can you just not do the right thing? If your products are good, you don't need to copy anything.

I understand that Tom has sold his business and that there will be production of the original devices. Lets move on, and show respect for all the parties involved and the members of this site. Thank you in advance.