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SurfCity
04-09-2008, 08:22 PM
There's something magical about flight. Even the most humble.

Noob here, as you know. Never flown a single-rotor heli. In spare moments for six weeks I've been tinkering with my Gaui, fitting this, tightening that, upgrading whatever. Everything's mounted and wired. Battery's out front for balance, gyro's beneath the main shaft, the center of rotation. Receiver's out front in free space. All good locations. I've replaced a few stock plastic parts with CNC aluminum -- tail servo mounts, swashplate guide and canopy mounts, tiny parts from China that combined cost $22 (plus shipping) and add maybe three grams but work better. I added wooden blades, which are lighter and stiffer than stock plastic. I've checked and double-checked blade tracking. I've balanced the blades by feel, not weight, meaning now when they rotate they add no vibration. I've set blade pitch not with a gauge but by eye, which I trust. I've set throttle and pitch curves in the transmitter. I've set the gyro to "rate" mode, in which final yaw tuning must be done before converting to "heading-hold" mode. I've fussed over sticky links, which can adversely affect control, but you guys said don't worry about it; they loosen as they run in. Four months ago I knew none of this. It's been very engrossing.

My wife last week brought home from the grocery store a cheap, plastic lazy Susan, maybe 10" in diameter, to which I taped the heli so I could spool it up safely to check and correct yaw drift. I set zero blade pitch to occur at the recommended 50% throttle; below that there's slight negative pitch. Tonight I needed low head speed to adjust the tracking, so I dialed out the negative.

Well, okay, so I'm running the motor, blades on, and 50% throttle is FAST, probably 2,000 rpm. With each spool-up I've been daring a little more head speed. Pretty soon the heli's tugging at the tape, listing left, then forward, then right. Tiny corrections send it quickly the opposite way -- or semi-opposite way, or back or right or left, drunk. Feels like if it got loose from the tape it would INSTANTLY shoot across the room into a wall and a hundred pieces. This is not reassuring.

Still, I push it. Tape it tighter, then add more head speed. Settles into a smooth, steady hum. It's off the skids maybe a micron. Control still feels manic, though; I have NO IDEA how I'd correct (at least quickly enough) if it wasn't tied down. Still faster, slightly. Now it's pulling HARD but getting curiously steadier. Add a little more head speed -- now it's a low wail, and I'm SURE I haven't reached 60% -- and, just like that, quite unexpectedly, it lifts the plastic turntable completely off the floor! Airborne and free. And it just makes me giggle. Steady but extremely brief hover. Power down. First flight. A mere hop. But it's magic. Something about it is magic.

The lazy Susan is two-thirds the weight of the heli. Yet the lift appeared effortless. I imagine at full head speed and blade pitch, it could lift twice its weight, maybe more. And here we are, counting fractions of a gram.

So that's where I am tonight. I got out my Blade CX2 training wheels -- orange ping-pong balls on sticks -- attached them to the Gaui and set the turntable aside. Now the whole thing feels light. Power up again to 50% head speed -- it's still planted because there's no blade pitch -- throttle up just a little, slight pitch kicks in, and that's all it takes. Light on the skids. Steady, steady, then airborne. A whole inch this time. Yaws slowly left -- I'll have to adjust that -- but the heli's stable, more than its drunken sashaying suggested when taped down. Quite different from the Blade, which wants to be lazy and stable but is sloppy to control. This thing is serious; it wants to GO -- anywhere. Power down, shut everything off, and I'm grinning ear to ear. I don't know why.

I did notice that stick inputs do not equate directly to flight outputs; the heli's about an eighth-turn behind. Straight forward stick yields forward-left motion. Straight right stick yields forward-right motion, and so on around the circle. Has to do, I think, with precession -- the rotating-wing effect -- but I need to read up.

Stay tuned.

Surf
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Gr4yb3ard
04-09-2008, 08:45 PM
I figure'd it'd be you that provided a post like that!

Cool Runnings dude!!! Good Stuff!

Is'nt it amazing when a chunk of metal and fabric comes to life? (a paraphrase from larger a/c, but very true)

Don't worry too much with the darting about on takeoff, lest it's extreme, most heli's will do this until you get dialed in. No, Not flown my 200 yet, but that's the way most of my takeoffs with my training birds started at first. (Instructor mode: way more worried than pilot needs to be... and did you ever get that simulator???")

I'm sure you've got your servos level, and swash level. Eyeball the pitch, well, I'm a techno freek, but i'd bet you've got that okay. Check the blade tracking and go fly it!!!

When I first solo'd, my instructor, bless his dark soul, wandered off, head down, with his hands in his pockets. I took off, and when I got back, I asked him, were you pissed at me? No, he said, I was praying... ;-)

Gr4yb4ard
"...we're gonna get new pilot!!! :):):)..."

rotorhead58d
04-09-2008, 09:06 PM
once you get about two feet in the air, it really settles down. don't fly it in a constricted area...yet. don't get close to inanimate objects. simple, right?

crabfu
04-09-2008, 09:25 PM
Congrats!!!! Yeah.... I don't think the lazy susan is a good idea, you can do all of the checks in hover, strapping it down is just asking for trouble imho, you've got big ones man :)

And yes, like rotorhead said, get high enough out of the ground effect, and it will be a lot easier to handle, practice hovering tail in ONLY and try to keep it in one place... fine tune your adjustments to how it hovers. Once you can do that in your sleep then it's time to move on to the fun part! :)

congrats again, and keep us posted, have fun, be safe, and no more strapping the heli down! training gears is the way to go :)

-Crabfu

SurfCity
04-09-2008, 10:24 PM
Servos level, swash level, blades tracking; I'm ready for that first hover. Taking baby steps. Still have memories of my first U-control, gas-engine plane way, way, WAY back as a teen in the 60s. It was heavy and slow and easy to fly. No aerobatics. Round and round it went in circles, some high, some low, all gentle. Got confident and built a balsa model -- cut out the spars, papered and doped the wings, all that. Took me weeks. Probably one-tenth the weight. Attached my Cox .49 engine (18,000 rpm) and fired 'er up. TOTALLY unprepared for what came next. Took off like a shot from a gun, straight up into an arc over my head and straight down, hit the ground at full speed and splintered into atoms and toothpicks. A month's work gone in three seconds. A blur. So fast. Gasp. Shock.

Not wishing a repeat . . . you get the idea.

But I'm ready now. I'll report back.

Gr4yb3ard
04-09-2008, 11:57 PM
Ahh,, the .049!

...and the Carl Goldberg "Demon" or "Wizard, what was the name, little u-control wing.
The smell of Cox nitro, a paper route to buy the stuff at the LHS or *Send Away For It* ;-)

But, this is not the time to share good times. I've read every word that you've written, all of it in great appreciation, you're already a pilot, you know the risks.

*I* think it's time! Yes, I, the great and powerful Gr4yb3ard! {lots of echos...}

Get up in the morning, or your next day off, check your aircraft, and *** go forth, and fly the damned thing.***

Wake me up and tell me how it went, assuming, of course, that you're still alive.

Gr4yb3ard
"...think he'll make it?... ....yep, buckets of andrenaline, but he'll be back..."
"...think he'll post it?... ...yep, 'bout six pages at a guess, lookin' forward to it actually.."

Buzzkill
04-10-2008, 12:12 AM
Well I have to post my $1.25.

Please don't take this the wrong way. It's just my opinion. Try to imagine a person saying these things in a nice way.

1. Fly the heli because your going to crash sometime.
2. Fly the heli because your going to crash sometime.
3.Stop tinkering with all the details.You'll have more than enough time for that after a crash.
4. IF you spend weeks getting things "perfect" your frustration level increases with each day because of all the work you've done.
5. Fly the heli because your going to crash sometime.
6. I say this because I've seen a lot of people spend weeks building their bird and getting out of the hobby after their first crash due to frustration.
7. If you have to get things perfect after each crash you'll get about 3 hours flight time a year.
8. A persons first flight is like your first piece of ass. So stop jerking it and get in the air!!! :thumbup:


.......and I say these things with good intentions and with a warm heart. Flame suit activated. :Fan

Buzzkill
04-10-2008, 12:21 AM
Sorry it's the meds........ :smokin:

crabfu
04-10-2008, 01:03 AM
lol....

I spent a lot of time on setting up and learning on my trex... got really anal about setup, and really scared of ruining my nicely tuned machine. I puckered up flying the darn thing, fingers literally shook, making the heli twitch lol.

I did not really learn until AFTER I crashed it the first time. After that, I realized that it's no biggie, as long as I didn't harm anything but the heli, I can rebuild it - which is half of the fun anyway. Yeah it cost some money & time, but after the first crash things finally started progressing. Don't get me wrong, I still am a nervous pilot, and the last thing I want to do is to crash any heli.... but it's part of the hobby, you fly, you crash, you fix & tweak and usually get it flying better than before.

So overall I'd agree with buzz, and I am trying to say all of this in the nicest way and intent as well. It's liberating to crash your first time, just don't crash it do to stupid circumstances like lifting off from being strapped down :) crashing because of dumb thumbs is perfectly OK, it's part of learning. And I hate to say it, but you'll probably be crashing a lot, you want a perfectly set up machine yes, but don't be afraid to ruin the time spent on it by your flying. If you really don't feel that you are ready to hover, then sim sim sim. Otherwise fly! that's when the crack really kicks in. Tweaking with the heli is just icing on the cake... now go eat some cake! Woohoo!

-Crabfu

Gr4yb3ard
04-10-2008, 01:04 AM
Nope,

Not hardly, good judgement, good advice...

Gr4yb3ard

SurfCity
04-10-2008, 01:41 AM
This hobby's been good for me, and that includes the tinkering and poking and learning. Mental vacation from the hard work of real life. I'm not afraid to fly. But I do want to prepare intelligently, not overlook something stupid and have two milliseconds to correct the oversight midair. You know, get the chute packed right; the jump will be hairy enough.

I remember the summer I was 18, working toward my pilot's license. Had about eight hours total flight time, not much. One morning we'd done about six rounds of touch-and-go's, when my instructor tells me to pull off the runway. He opens the door and gets out. "Take it around," he says. Which I did. First solo.

A windy afternoon six weeks later, at maybe 20 hours, we're high above a dry lake near Fallon, Nevada; he reaches over and shuts off the ignition. Sput, sput, sput, kachoo, prop stops. Only sound was the wind, an unexpected sensation. "Why'd you do that?!" said I, to which he replied dryly, "Land it." I reached for the ignition, but he said, "No, no. Dead stick. Hold your airspeed, find a landing site [conveniently, a dry lake], find the wind direction [look for trees or smoke or whatever] and stay with it. It'll flare fast; don't let it balloon." Biggest surprise was the bumpy, noisy lake surface, not smooth, quiet asphalt.

A month later he throws the plane into a spin, nose straight down; I'm seeing rooftops out the windshield, the world whirling like a top. "Pull us out," he says. "Full opposite rudder will stop the spin, then firmly but not abruptly back on the stick." I'd guess we were pulling 2 Gs. Felt like a ton. Before I got my license, he had me flying loops and rolls, both illegal. On one trip I had a friend along; a good snap roll and he turned green, groped for, what? anything -- an envelope -- and tossed his cookies. Turns out the flight manual was in that envelope! Ewwwww. Man, pop open the windows!

In 1982, ten years after I last flew, I soloed a single-seat, ultralight airplane after zero flight instruction. Amazing sensation. Slow, slow, slow, and nothing but a thousand feet of air between your tennies and the ground.

Anyway, flying stories. When you're in the seat and your vehicle is not on the ground, failure is not an option. Tomorrow we fly.

Surf
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"Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. Anyone seen my diapers?"

rotorhead58d
04-10-2008, 01:52 AM
now add getting shot at by 57mm :)

J-Heli
04-10-2008, 08:02 AM
I'm thirteen. I've been flying r/c planes for 6 years now. I liked planes, but I was always to more mechanical type (helis :)). The first R/C heli I ever saw fly was a Robins R22 in my LHS in Hong Kong. That day my Dad bought me one, and I staid awake two days straight learning how to fly this heli. This was about 4 months ago. Finally when I got good, my Dad got me a T-Rex 450 SE V2 for my birthday. I spent almost 3 months tweaking and tunning and making everything just right. When I went to fly it for the first time. I got it up about three ft. in the air, and the wind almost blew it up into china. So I landed her. The next weekend, I took my rexy to my middle school gym to hover her. I got about two ft, off the ground this time when 2 failed servos threw my baby in the bleachers of the gym. This is going to sound really weird, but it almost relieved me. It made me realize that what everyone else has said on the thread really is true. Your going to crash, and crash a lot, but rebuilding is half the fun because you learn so much each time you do it! Basically the moral of the story is just to get out and fly. That's what the hobby is for! Soon after I got my rexy, I had to get an ep 200 :YeaBaby:. I couldn't help it! I just posted some pics of my gaui in the show off your gaui thread. You should check them out! Good luck!

psindrup
04-10-2008, 10:18 AM
Wonderful story. Looking forward to follow your progress.

And remember, it is easier to fly once you get it a meter off the ground (chest level)

Peter

J-Heli
04-10-2008, 10:24 AM
Wonderful story. Looking forward to follow your progress.

And remember, it is easier to fly once you get it a meter off the ground (chest level)

Peter

Thanks, wasn't trying to get sympathy, just trying to spread the little wisdom I have to help someone out. Was workin' on gettin' that high, but didn't really have the time :thumbdown:!

psindrup
04-10-2008, 12:47 PM
Thanks, wasn't trying to get sympathy, just trying to spread the little wisdom I have to help someone out. Was workin' on gettin' that high, but didn't really have the time :thumbdown:!

I was referring to SurfCity's initial story. ;)
(Not to take anything away from your story, though)

Peter

Gr4yb3ard
04-10-2008, 06:51 PM
Oh, Pete, quit being so carefull about our feelings ;-)

Well said, Heli Cuz!
Welcome aboard!!

Gr4yb3ard
"...and here, you'll not find a darker den of thieves and brigands north of Sumatra..."

psindrup
04-11-2008, 03:02 AM
Oh, Pete, quit being so carefull about our feelings ;-)


Can't help it - not with you. :)

Peter