Logo 500 3D or 600 3D? flybarless

[saitoflyer]

Im thinking of getting Vbar and wants to know which heli will be better for it? I already have batt. for 5003D so, the cost will not be as much as owning a 600 due to the fact that I have to get new batt. 10S for it,, but its bigger.. does anyone here have exp. with both and would like to chime in? thanks..

[OICU812]

If you know heli pyhsics very well and are very experienced in heli setup than Vbar could be for you, if you are not and are honestly a beginner to helis than flybar is for you. Vstabi is still complicated imho, and if you do not know what you are looking for and able to perform manevuers you will never get it set up right. Just my .03 cents on this...

I own more than a few of both flybared and flybarless, both 500 and 600 and imho the flybar flies likely as good imho,,,,they are just "different" feeling,,, very actually.

[stvjeep]

What about the new easy set-up software? Any of the experienced Logo guys here use it yet?

After reading the Logo site they mention that the V-bar would be suitable for an amateur:

"The V-Bar system allows pilots to set the rotor head up in such a way that the helicopter will show a high degree of stability. As a result, novice pilots will succeed much quicker, even with scale models."

I was also talking to a guy who's been flying helis for a few years and he told me that a V-bar is very easy to set up with the new software and not to worry about it.

I like the V-bar idea a lot due to its increased stability, and ability to handle the wind. Also there are about half the parts in the head as compared to a flybar head. Less to break and less to fiddle with. All great things for a beginner.

Just my thoughts..

[Mercuriell]

Well I'm just about 2 weeks into the process of setting up V-Bar and with 7 flybared 30/50 sized helis behind me I've just got it flying sweet today. I entirely endorse Shawn's comments - I'd start with the flybarred L500 and convert later - you won't save much money by going straight to it.

As far as the plug-in easy panels are concerned I really don't think they are a suitable start for the beginner - more a convenient short-cut for the experienced user. There are several key points in set up that are either not mentioned or else dug away deep in the forums and web-sires - hopefully my experience as a virtual-noob set out on video will help.

[OICU812]

Well for me thing is this, flybarless is different. If you really do not know how to fly then you will not be able to tune to what is right for you, this is the issue. If you can see and feel what is wrong then you can adjust so that it flies properly. Everyone has a style, if you have not developed a style as of yet, kinda hard to get a Vstabi dialed in..... all imho of course. :o

[stvjeep]

I've been thinking about exactly what you just said since my post last night. By actually using a flybar, I can mechanically see what and how it all works. After I adjusting it all to my liking as well as repairing it a few times then I'm sure I will understand it all much better. So, when I upgrade to the V-bar I can understand how the electronic algorithms are replacing the mechanical components and adjust it better to my style.

Also, by buying the vbar up front I'm only saving $100. If I wait until later I will have a nice treat by upgrading and really feel the difference since I will have something to compare it to. So for now I'll stick with the flybar. This will keep my initial costs lower and allow me to look forward to a nice upgrade later!

[Mercuriell]

:thumbup::thumbup:

[Big Fil]

That's the approach i took. That way you have a baseline for what the differences in flight characteristics actually are. Had I gone straight to the Vbar I would have probably thought many of the flight characteristics were a direct result of that, but now I realize that even Fbar'd these Logos flat out rock.

[OICU812]

Yes as I stated before the flybar honetly flys very good, as good or better. I know there will be peeps not agreeing, no matter but the flybar flys dam good imho. I have more than a few of both so not being biased at all....

[billyd]

Well while I am no beginner, I certainly don't consider myself an expert. I've been flying helis for about 3 years and frankly my skills as a pilot are not where I'd like them to be. I fly some 3d but more sport. I am still not comfortable doing tic tocs or other maneuvers close to the ground.

With that being said I have the 500 3d flybarless and I have a Trex 600e (I have others but these are the closest in size for comparison). The biggest difference that I've noticed in flying the two is that the flybarless is extremely responsive. I don't use expo on any of my helis, and I may have to on the logo 500. It is unbelievably agile and quick. Also the flybarless helis maintain whatever attitude you put them in. For example if you put the heli in FFF, it will stay in FFF until you pull back on the elevator. It will not pitch up like a flybarred heli will do. The same holds true in any direction. Left aileron will result in a leftward slide that will continue until right aileron is input. It will not increase in speed as a flybarred heli will do in a sidewards slide, it will just keep going. Also if you get it in a steady hover, it will hold the hover much much longer hands off than a flybarred heli will.

I had no trouble getting the Vstabi setup for my heli. It is complicated, but I believe most people in this hobby lean toward the very technically minded. I suspect we have alot of engineers in the hobby. Or people that are good with electrical and mechanical devices. So given that I think most people could handle setting up Vstabi. I simply loaded the default 500 setup into the module and adjusted the servo travels in the software, and the heli flies great. In fact it is way beyond my capability as a pilot to to outfly the module in the default setup. I am sure expert pilots will want to tweak the settings, and there are a few adjustments I will make in the future to the gains and filters. But the default setup will work just fine for someone who doesn't understand heli physics and how to improve the setup, because they wouldn't know what to do with it as a pilot anyway. I think the knowledge and the skill move hand in hand with regards to heli physics and piloting.