Kasama vs Micro Heli head

[Bayward]

Is either one better than the other for our Mini Titans ? By bettter I mean quality of fit, play in the parts, usability and etc.

Anyone with experience with both of them on the Mini Titan ?

Bob

[mkoutnik]

I really like the Micro Heli parts...

[Aox]

I bought the Kasama head. I didn't like how the blade grips were too snug on my Radix blades, causing me to have to sand them to use them. I emailed Kasama. Kasama, the fellow the company is named after, wrote me back, and he machined me a set of 5mm blade grips, and made a new version to fit the Radix blades. The new grips work so well.

After an experience like that, I won't be buying any aluminum part from another manufacturer, if I can get it from Kasama.

I have no empirical data on the Micro Heli head, but the Kasama head lets you set up some wild cyclic without binding. I freaking love this part. Absolutely impeccable quality. Second in my mind only to Duzi.

-Aox

[Tradhunt]

Go kasama.. great product's and service...

[henrik04]

I bought the Kasama head. I didn't like how the blade grips were too snug on my Radix blades, causing me to have to sand them to use them. I emailed Kasama. Kasama, the fellow the company is named after, wrote me back, and he machined me a set of 5mm blade grips, and made a new version to fit the Radix blades. The new grips work so well.

After an experience like that, I won't be buying any aluminum part from another manufacturer, if I can get it from Kasama.

I have no empirical data on the Micro Heli head, but the Kasama head lets you set up some wild cyclic without binding. I freaking love this part. Absolutely impeccable quality. Second in my mind only to Duzi.

-Aox

That's what I call outstanding service. Which heli / head do you have?

To answer the original question from Bayward, it's hard to compare when you just have one side of the story (In my case got Kasama for my E-raptor 620). I doubt that someone buying Kasama will buy microheli just to compare.. Kasama quality is really outstanding.

Happy flying.

[Bayward]

Mini Titan E-325 Full metal head and swash from TT.

How do you like the TT metal head ? As good a quality as Kasama ?

Bob

[Aox]

That's what I call outstanding service. Which heli / head do you have?

My heli with Kasama parts is my Mini Titan.

-Aox

[henrik04]

How do you like the TT metal head ? As good a quality as Kasama ?

Bob

Sorry about the confusion:
My Mini titan E-325 is with all TT metal parts.
My E-620 Full Kasama.

I love the metal from TT made a completely different heli. The only thing I think could be better is to have a flybar cage as it's always a bit 'tricky' to adjust the C shape flybar holders. Try to zoom in to see the heli head.(If my photo upload works):

I definitely think that the G-Force cage would be a better option.
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:k5JTa6ByaCwJ:www.heliproz.com/prodinfo.asp%3Fnumber%3D801843+GFR2013&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=au

Alternatively (though I didn't try it yet) this one could be a winner:
http://www.infinity-hobby.com/main/product_info.php?cPath=32_102&products_id=2208

My E-325 has *no* plastic except the ball links :-) And it's much much better than the original.. When I originally bought it metal was not available anywhere.. Unfortunately.. Now there are many choices.

Happy flying.

[tomra]

I love the metal from TT made a completely different heli. The only thing I think could be better is to have a flybar cage as it's always a bit 'tricky' to adjust the C shape flybar holders. Try to zoom in to see the heli head.(If my photo upload works):

The SE version has indents in the flybar rod making both the lineup as well as getting proper balance easy. I have searched everywere for this flybar as a spare part but cannot find it anywere.

Is there some clever trick in order to get the C shaped levers to lineup properly with the regular flybar? I mean, something other than eyeballing.

[Bayward]

I have searched everywere for this flybar as a spare part but cannot find it anywere.

I am reasonably sure I saw that flybar on the Heliproz site and the Thunder Tiger 4U site while looking for parts for my Mini Titan this evening. That is the flybar called SU ? I wondered why they would list two different flybars for the same heli.

Bob

[tomra]

Actually there´s 3 different flybar rods, PV0709 is the regular black one, PV0827 is the "regular" SUS and finally PV0844 which is the SE version of the SUS flybar rod which features the indents.

[Bayward]

Okay, what is the difference between the SUS and the regular flybar ?

Bob

[Bayward]

You do not list your locatioin in your profile so I do not know what would be convenient for you. However, here are two places that list the flybar you are looking for.

http://www.infinity-hobby.com/main/product_info.php?products_id=2898&osCsid=cbdbffbfe366e338e360a708e6ac8b23

http://www.fusionhobbies.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=TTPV0844&CartID=1

A good number of european shops have it in stock.

I have ordered from Infinity a few times with it being a good experience and reasonably fast shipping times to Florida.

Bob

[tomra]

Okay, what is the difference between the SUS and the regular flybar ?

Bob

The one that comes with the standard E325 is black, the optional SUS flybar is stainless steel but otherwise similar to the black one, the SE version is stainless steel with small "dimples" for the set screws that secures the C shaped flybar control arms. Makes assembly as well as getting everything lined up more precise a breeze.

Thank you very much for the provided link, seems like infinity is gonna get some of my money today :lol:

(I reside in europe, Norway)

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Sorry for taking this thread off topic by the way, please, lets get back to the Kasama vs Microheli discussion.


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I have no experience with Kasama but the entire web is pretty much raving about it, gotta be good. I bought a E325 tail unit from Microheli, waiting for some bearings (tail housing) in order to try it out. Interesting design. I was a bit disappointed tho...all product shots shows highly polished aluminum products but the parts i have bought has a pretty rough surface. Not a biggy but while we´re in the comparing section it seems that Kasama has taken things a step further in every aspect, it almost looks like jewlery.

[Bayward]

I went with the Kasama complete head combo from Grand RC for $159.00 and got all excited when it came UPS yesterday. Woohoo, I can put it together this eveining and fly it Saturday. :YeaBaby: Then I realized the washout system was not in the box. :mad: A double check of the Grand RC web page to make sure it was supposed to be included. Yep, I was shorted. A phone call to Grand RC got me nowhere. The person that answered the phone was very polite but insistent that it be handled via email, could not be done over the phone. So I send and email and wait.

This affternoon I get an email from Grand RC saying my package has shipped. It must be the missing parts as I have ordered nothing since I ordered the Kasama head. Good service but not very good communication.

Next I realize the Kasama grips are milled for a 4.5mm blade. The blades I want to use are almost 5mm. :arggg: A check of the Kasama site shows 5mm grips for the Mini Titan. I emailed Grand RC with no response so far. How do I buy these 5mm grips ? How do I email Kasama direct ? the "contact us" page on their web site does not display properly on my computer.

I already have a metal aftermarket head on my Mini Titan, but am not completely happy with it. I bought the full head from XMSeller (http://www.cnchelicopter.com/servlet/the-895/Mini-Titan-E325-CNC/Detail). The head is actually good quality, in my opinion. The problem with mine is play in the blade grips and the feathering shaft. The play is not in the dampers. If I remove the grips from the head and put the grips on the feathering shaft I get lateral play. Quite a bit, enough that my main blades droop downwards while the heli is at a rest. It was not like this when the head was new a couple of weeks ago. It seems as though the bearings have worn or the bearings are not fitting tight in the grips or the feathering shaft is a loose fit in the bearings. Both sides do this. I do not have access to the proper tools to check for the real problem. I have forty or fifty flights on the head so I do not feel comfortable asking for a refund. What do all of you think ?

Bob

[Vinger]

I have both the XmSeller ( http://www.cnchelicopter.com/servlet/the-895/Mini-Titan-E325-CNC/Detail ) Kasama head. I fitted both on brand new mainshafts iot to quickly swop between the two, and I used brand new feathering shaft and dampers on the Kasama head. The problem I have is that the XMSeller head works perfectly, while the Kasama head shakes the little heli to pieces.

The vibration is so bad that I cannot spool up past about 1500 rpm without the heli trying to beat itself to death. Tried everything, from changing the mainshaft, feathering shaft, flybar and paddles, no change. All the ball links have been checked and are loose and free. The swashplate and washoutbase slide freely on the mainshaft. Blade tracking is spot on. Any ideas what might be causing this?

Blades are GCT (Maverick) ( http://www.mikes-models.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=229_246&zenid=96fb023e05bce6f0cd5917ecaf96c5cf ) blades and I use the same set on both the heads.

Any help would be appreciated.

[Bayward]

The problem I have is that the XMSeller head works perfectly, while the Kasama head shakes the little heli to pieces.

Have you contacted Kasama about this ? Customer service appears to be one of Kasama's strong points. kasama@kasama.com got me a quick response about the 5mm grips I am looking for. To fix your vibration problem I suggest looking at the blade tightness. When I have a heli shaking on spoolup the cause is usually how tight or loose the blades are in the grips. Too tight and the shakes will not go away at all. Too loose and the shakes usually go away once the blades straighten out from centrifugal force.

An update on my quest for 5mm Kasama grips for my MT. Grand RC emailed a response to my inquiry about obtaining 5mm grips for the complete Kasama head I bought for my MT. Grand RC's short and quick response, "Kasama does not make 5mm grips". :confused: Why does Kasama.com show them available complete with a price in USD ?

An email direct to Kasama got a quick response from Kasama himself. I was told the 5mm grips would be shipped to Grand RC and should be available for me to purchase next week. :thumbup: My concern now is how will I know when Grand RC has them ? I emailed Grand RC with a copy of my email from Kasama showing that Kasama does in fact sell 5mm grips and requested to be notified when they received the grips from Kasama. I shall just have to wait and see what Grand RC does.

I did receive the missing washout system in the mail Monday. That was a quick turn around. However, given the lack of and improper communication from Grand RC I am almost wishing I had bought the Kasama head elsewhere. Who else sells Kasama parts for our Mini Titans ?

Bob

[Vinger]

I think that might just be my problem as the blades do fit rather tightly in the Kasama grips as well as having erratic flapping movement due to the grip design with sharp edges.

Thanks Bayward, will mail Kasama about the proper grips.:cheers

[billm555]

Kasama seems to have really good service. Too bad they don't sell directly.

Bill

[Aox]

I am the reason Kasama has 5mm grips.

I have the first set here now.

They rock :) No more sanding Radix blades.

-Aox

[Bayward]

I have the first set here now.

How did you get your set ? Direct from Kasama, or ?

Bob

[Aox]

When I got the Kasama head, I installed it, pulled my radix blades from the plastic head and went to install them in the Kasama grips and they were stupidly tight. I considered modifying the grips, but as a new product, they let me down. I emailed Kasama and noted my irritation and displeasure. He said "what would you like? I made these from what they guys over here in Asia are telling me" I said 5mm should be great! He said, ok, give me a month or so to set up a production run, and I'll machine some 5 mm grips and sell them too. I said RIGHT ON!

About a month and a half later, I received a package from Thailand with a set of the 5mm grips.

That's about that. I was an unhappy consumer, I voiced my unhappiness with the manufacturer, and they made me happy.

-Aox

[billm555]

So how do we get them?

Bill

[Bayward]

So how do we get them?

Bill

Good question. Kasama emailed me last week and said they were going to send some to Grand RC and they should be available for sale this week, May 5th - May 9th 2008.

I emailed Grand RC this morning asking if the 5mm grips had been received yet. Hopefully I will get a return email from Grand RC today.

My Kasama Mini Titan head is all assembled minus the grips awaiting the new 5mm grips. Hopefully the 5mm grips really will be available soon.

Bob

Here is the latest word from Grand RC:

yes, and it's on the way and should be here in a few days.

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admin

There you have it, straight from the horses mouth.

Bob

[Bayward]

Another update from Grand RC today about the 5mm grips for the Mini Titan:

We are waiting a shipment that got stuck at US customs since 5/12
It should be released any time now. Will post on the website as soon as we receive it.
Thanks,
Ed

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I am really getting antsy about wanting a pair of the 5mm grips. I have had the Kasama Mini Titan head sitting on my desk for close to three weeks now and cannot use it. :mad: How accurate do the grips have to be milled to accept a thicker blade ? If I file the 4.5mm grips to accept 5mm blades will the blades still track properly ? I can file the grips fairly accurate but I am sure I will be out of alignment a few thousandths.

Bob