Some interesting changes in 550 kit

[xodarap1]

I don't know if it will be the case with your setup, but I know that when I went over 100% (was at 150%) with the DX7 for my honey bee king2's telebee gyro, it flew fine for about a minute, then the gyro seemed to spaz out and lose its mind really bad making the tail of the heli spin one way and then the other at random heheh. I barely got the heli back on the ground in one piece. Maybe my experience was unique, but when i lowered it back down to 100% it flew fine. I ended up moving out to a different servo arm hole instead of attempting the 100%+ gain again. :)

[3D Dave]

FIRST OUTDOOR FLIGHT (note to self... get BIGGER HELI!!!)

Well guys, after learning to fly my Thunder Tiger mini-Titan (first heli other than blade CX-2) indoors for about 12 weeks I finally tried to fly her outside today. It was a "HANDFUL". I went down into this retention pond about the size of 3 football fields and 40+ feet deep. It's a little less windy down there. I had my new Kestral wind guage and in the pit the wind was about 5-8 mph continuous with almost constant gusting to 12 mph. That might be calm for you pro's but not for someone who never flew outside before.

I flew 3 packs almost back to back.

I pretty much kept her in front of me facing away, into the wind. I must say, I did not enjoy flying in that wind. I know there will be calmer days but it was a little discouraging. I've been contemplating a 2nd heli and have now decided to go bigger. I like the Thunder Tiger E550 Raptor but it requires larger, more expensive 6s packs so I've decided on the GAUI Hurricane 550 which will run on 2 3s packs.

I can't decide on getting the CF frame/plastic head or plastic frame metal head (GAUI does not offer a CF/metal head version).

I have just found out that neither frame really fits a 6s pack so I think I'll get the plastic frame/metal head kit. It looks like readyheli has a custom CF frame that WILL fit 6s packs well so I'll upgrade to that when I trash my plastic frame.

I assume any H550's purchased at this point would be the new "interesting changes" kits?

Any input from you heli pros would be GREATLY appreciated.


Dave D.

[xodarap1]

http://flying-hobby.com has metal head versions. Have you checked them out?

[mysticmead]

I suggested those to him over at another site. he only wants to order from shops in the US :D

[xodarap1]

:thinking Oops.. yup, now i remember reading that heheh. Sorry :oops:

[mysticmead]

I assume any H550's purchased at this point would be the new "interesting changes" kits?
Dave D.


never assume anything. so far we have only had one report of the changes, and that was a kit from Flying-hobby. I'll be ordering my Hurri in 2 weeks and I'll make sure to let everyone know if I get the same changes. as of right now, it looks like I'll be ordering from Fung.. but ya never know, maybe readyheli can give me a good price.

[mysticmead]

:thinking Oops.. yup, now i remember reading that heheh. Sorry :oops:


don't worry about it.. he never said he was only wanting to shop with US based stores... for what it's worth.. there is no standard Gaui 550 kit plastic or CF that comes with a metal head. it's all dealer added. and if he's looking at one on helidirect, those probably include the HDX parts.. which have shown to be crap (at least the tail parts)

[Mikej]

I have now tried with a longer arm (and then another even longer arm :) ) and it all seems to be good now. My approach was

1. "guess" the amount of pitch needed on tail - set servo arm at 90 degrees to tail rod, adjust rudder rod until have correct pitch on Tail blades.
2. spool up heli, lift off, check tail drift, set down and adjust tail rod until hovers still without tail trim.
3. adjust gain until get wag, the back it down slightly.
4. adjust "limit" pot on gyro so that no binding of tail slider at end of throws

As I said, I had to do this three times as I used longer arms on the servo until I got the wag, holds fine now - though this is only lazy 8s etc. as that is all that I can do :(

[mysticmead]

great.. I'll give the Gaui gyro a shot when I place my order... 2 weeks from today!

[3D Dave]

mysticmead, xodarap1 and mike,

I'm about ready to order my H550 XES PRO SE. It apparently comes with the shorter boom. I thought a longer boom makes the heli more steady so I'm not sure I want this version.

Any thoughts on this? I guess if I really want the metal head version I'll have to deal with the short boom.

I'm also waiting on readyheli to tell me if the new kit has the 20T OWB.

Dave

[mjdee14]

mysticmead, xodarap1 and mike,

I'm about ready to order my H550 XES PRO SE. It apparently comes with the shorter boom. I thought a longer boom makes the heli more steady so I'm not sure I want this version.

Any thoughts on this? I guess if I really want the metal head version I'll have to deal with the short boom.

I'm also waiting on readyheli to tell me if the new kit has the 20T OWB.

Dave

Lots of folks use the short boom with no problems...maybe turn up the gyro gain a few points...it's mostly to use longer main blades. with the short boom 550 blades are very close to the tail blades. Some think the shrter boom looks better and more in proportion.

I have been using the long boom with 515 blades soon to be 530's and have had no problmes...I like it fine, but I have a CF version with the shorter boom and expect that to be fine also.....we are talking about maybe 2 inch or less, side by side it doesn't seem like much.

[mysticmead]

Lots of folks use the short boom with no problems...maybe turn up the gyro gain a few points...it's mostly to use longer main blades. with the short boom 550 blades are very close to the tail blades. Some think the shrter boom looks better and more in proportion.

I have been using the long boom with 515 blades soon to be 530's and have had no problmes...I like it fine, but I have a CF version with the shorter boom and expect that to be fine also.....we are talking about maybe 20 inches or less, side by side it doesn't seem like much.


that should be 2 or less inches... not 20 :D

[mjdee14]

that should be 2 or less inches... not 20 :D


:arggg::arggg::arggg: Tough being Dyslexic....I meant 2 or less.....:arggg::arggg::arggg:

[Mikej]

Dave,

Even the short boom is pretty long, don't worry I have had to turn my rudder setting down to about 40% speed to calm the piro speed down, the Hurricane is very stable. If you really don't want the short boom you could always "down-grade" :YeaBaby::YeaBaby: to the long boom - you'd only need the boom, belt and rudder link bar probably $15 in total.

My latest kit came with the 20T OWB


mysticmead, xodarap1 and mike,

I'm about ready to order my H550 XES PRO SE. It apparently comes with the shorter boom. I thought a longer boom makes the heli more steady so I'm not sure I want this version.

Any thoughts on this? I guess if I really want the metal head version I'll have to deal with the short boom.

I'm also waiting on readyheli to tell me if the new kit has the 20T OWB.

Dave

[xodarap1]

Hi Dave,

If you get a good gyro/tail servo, the tail will hold well. The boom length is a non issue really and and it's easy/cheap to swap if you ever want to for some reason.
The last few days, i've been working on smoother flying and transitions with the head speed dialed way back on the z30 instead of throwing the heli all over the place when it's running fast and screaming. It is still very stable at the lower speeds but the maneuvers are harder to do smoothly in slow motion. My hope was to learn even better collective management which i figured should help out with flight times when i crank the speed back up again. So far, so good.. no crashes and i'm learning a lot.
You guys will love this heli if you luck out like i did and get one that has no setup, vibration or other issues. I am curious to see how the kits you are buying now will perform out of the box so to speak. Except for the belt guide wheel needing an extra washer on one side, my hurris have been solid from day one.
Man..i'm excited about these new kit purchases and i'm not even the one getting the new helis lol.. :lol: :thumbup: :)

[Crashed Monkey]

I recently bought a second 550 kit from Fung (excellent service as ever)


Hi Mikej, Is flying hobby normally Ok then,as I got my 550 last week with a dent in the boom and the wrong motor delivered. Fast delivery though.

[Mikej]

Hi Mikej, Is flying hobby normally Ok then,as I got my 550 last week with a dent in the boom and the wrong motor delivered. Fast delivery though.

I've bought 6 helis from Fung now - always received excellent service. Have you told Fung that there were problems - he is normally very quick to resolve these. The dent in the boom sounds as if it "could" have happened in transit - my recent 550 had a piece of card taped around the boom near the tail case, but fortunately no dents in mine.

Which motor did you get and which did you order ? I was lucky as I ordered a standard kit (with the upgrade to a Z20A, Spektrum servos and also got the servo brackets, hollow main shaft, heat-sink on ESC, short boom, 50T primary, CNC swash and ARB, and FG canopy etc as un-paid for benefits as I got the SFD version - I think taht what happens is that Fung sells so many that he sometimes runs out of stock and has to make substitutions.

I've always been very happy dealing with Fung - obviously English is not his first language so communication is not always as smooth as one would like, but his service levels are excellent and he always does his best to sort out the situation in my experience. And his prices are th ebest that I have found :):)

[Crashed Monkey]

Yep told them ,when I unwrapped the cardboard there was the dent.mailed jenny straight away,she said send pics and we will send you a new one,cant do better than that.with the motor ,I received a 1100 gaui but ordered a 980. Said i would keep it until i was good enough.... got the Z20a on Monday from them.They even gave me a discount :lol:.trying to get it to work at the mo.It just keeps beepin at me lol.

[Mikej]

Yep told them ,when I unwrapped the cardboard there was the dent.mailed jenny straight away,she said send pics and we will send you a new one,cant do better than that.with the motor ,I received a 1100 gaui but ordered a 980. Said i would keep it until i was good enough.... got the Z20a on Monday from them.They even gave me a discount :lol:.trying to get it to work at the mo.It just keeps beepin at me lol.

Nice one - problems happen, it's how people respond that makes the real difference IMHO, and that all sounds like good service.

Bit of a bugger about the Z20 - I just plugged mine in and it worked - didn't even need to re-programme the ESC :smokin:

[mysticmead]

hopefully I won't have any issues with the heli I just ordered.. but if I do, it's comforting to know that they'll take care of it..

[3D Dave]

Thanks xodarap.

My intentions are to order the H550 XES PRO SE and a separate long boom. That way I can try 550mm blades to start.

The list looks like this:

- H550 XES Pro SE
- Castle Phoenix 60 ESC
- Castle 10A BEC switching regulator
- Tonic-X z20A 980kv brushless
- Futaba GY401
- Futaba 9257 tail servo
- JR DS821's on cyclic
- Gaui long tail boom 204191
- Gaui long tail control rod 204195
- Gaui long tail pushrod 204669
- Gaui Long belt (I can't find this online yet)


Does anyone know if the current kits are shipping with the recommended stuff ei: 20T OWB and 50T main gear? If not, I'll have to get those too. Also, what pinion is now standard? I know I need to order a few more sizes that don't come with it.

Then there's blades. Besides the Gaui 550 wood blades what else does everyone like?

Dave D.

[Phoinix]

There is no long tail belt. There is short "Tail Rotor Belt (522XL) 865002" and standard Tail Rotor Belt (575XL) 865001

I got mine with 14T motor pinnion, 42/61 main gear and 20T OWB.


Why do you need two tail rotor control rods?

204195 is a straight rod for standard tail boom, and 204669 is the bent one.

[Crashed Monkey]

Nice one - problems happen, it's how people respond that makes the real difference IMHO, and that all sounds like good service.

Bit of a bugger about the Z20 - I just plugged mine in and it worked - didn't even need to re-programme the ESC :smokin:

Got it going now ,right got the futaba GY240 gyro with this kit,are they any good,because everyone goes on about the "401".

[mysticmead]

the 240 is a good gyro, it just doesn't have the remote gain control like the 401. so to make gain adjustments, it's land and tweak the gyro.. then test it out

[Crashed Monkey]

the 240 is a good gyro, it just doesn't have the remote gain control like the 401. so to make gain adjustments, it's land and tweak the gyro.. then test it out

Oh good ,that means hopefully its as good as the "401" but you have to land it,fine but with my flying skills getting of the ground is a plus.and landing without snapping anythings a good flight!

Got a blade 400 and cant fly that,so i'm thinking bigger is better and a lot more stable. :shock: