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redgiki
04-28-2008, 11:30 PM
So I upgraded my venerable Raptor 30 v1 to a Raptor 46. It had some issues with the engine when I tried to fly it recently at the field, so I took it home and fixed a few things here and there. It turns out I'd lost the two screws holding in the carb on my OS .46FX-H; I pillaged another set from my similar aircraft motor. I bought a brand-new high-performance muffler, got it attached, and started running it up and checking things out.

I was just out in my back yard doing a few test hops, getting the mix just right so that I had good head speed, pitch-pumping to listen to the engine and hear where it bogged, you know the drill. I had it just about dialed in. Second tank of fuel, I landed, adjust my throttle curve to get my new motor running at the right RPM, stood back, and applied a little collective. It got about two feet above the ground, right where I wanted it, so I backed off just a tad... and it kept rising.

I jammed throttle hold. No response. Total radio lockout. Zero control. The helicopter looked like it wanted to fly to the moon. It described a gentle arc at probably forty to fifty miles an hour, sailed right over my house, then slammed upside-down into my front yard, ricocheted into the air on a bounce that went for fifty-four horizontal feet, landed on its skids, and proceeded to spin madly on until the motor quit.

Well, all in a day's work, right? Expensive lesson in radio lockout, but it could have been worse.

Much worse.

There were eight children playing near my front yard. Four of them were mine. This helicopter, luckily, missed all the kids and the four adults doing yard work to slam into my yard and flip end-over-end out into the cul-de-sac.

If it had struck any person on its way toward beating itself to death, I'd have been devastated. I really like my neighbors. I really love my children and my wife. This big beast could have killed any one of them a few minutes ago. Or done significant property damage if it had impacted on someone's vehicle or home.

Yet I was following AMA safety guidelines. I was over 100 feet from my house, downwind (like that matters for a heli, though,, and there was practically no wind) and over 200 feet from the eventual point of impact (250 feet from where it eventually bounced to, according to my Google Earth ruler). I had kicked my kids out of the acreage behind my house, counting on distance and objects to limit the possibility of damage to anybody other than me. I'd counted on a lot of things... but not a radio lockout sending the heli sailing in a rainbow arc toward unsuspecting family members and neighbors.

Upon further investigation, I think I found the cause of the lockout. I had a bad cell in my NiCD Rx pack, which seemed to hold a good surface charge, but dropped voltage under load. I believe the voltage hit the magic "don't run below 4.5v" mark for my Spektrum receiver, rendering the receiver and all servos inoperable while it spent five seconds reconnecting.

I should have cycled the pack.

I almost hit someone because I didn't cycle my pack. Sure, maybe it's a freak accident.

I still feel like crap.

On a side note, the only parts left intact and unbent on the heli were the frame, the servos, and the motor. Everything else is shattered or bent. Maybe it's time to upgrade to a T-Rex 600N... or stay away from large fuel helis entirely.

Lesson learned: cycle your NiCD packs thoroughly at the start of the season. Don't trust the green light on the onboard voltage monitor if it shows anything less than full green. In my case, since I'm so familiar with LiPos, I think I'll probably convert all my NiCD/NiMH stuff to LiPos with voltage regulators. And only test motors out at the field, as much as I hate futzing rather than flying when I'm near my club-mates.

I went to Spektrum because flying over the pastures near my house, I'd had glitches on 72MHz due to the high-tension electrical wires nearby. Several hundred dollars of ruined heli later, I'm not entirely sure it was the right decision.

redgiki
04-29-2008, 10:44 AM
I spoke with a club-mate regarding this incident this morning, and he suggested that for test-hops in the back yard for an experienced heli flyer -- with 2 years flying helis regularly, I think I qualify as reasonably experienced, though certainly not an expert-- that the heli be restrained somehow, much like how I restrain airplanes when tuning the engine at home. A twenty or thirty foot length of light nylon rope would have restrained it in this very event, pummeling it safely into the dirt in the acreage behind my home, rather than hundreds of feet away.

But everything I have read suggests that tethering is usually a bad idea.

Perhaps I should simply restrict all engine work to the AMA flying field 45 minutes from my house. Or else invest in a set of these: http://www.sussex-model-centre.co.uk/shopexd.asp?id=1491 ... having trouble finding anyone in the States selling them, though.

Or maybe some kind of spring on my throttle, so if the servo loses power, the helicopter motor turns off? Is there such a thing?

jeffk
04-29-2008, 12:20 PM
Would setting the fail safe for normal mode at low throttle have helped?

redgiki
04-29-2008, 08:53 PM
Would setting the fail safe for normal mode at low throttle have helped?

Unfortunately, no. This particular failure mode is that the AR7000 (and, I believe, the rest of the AR receiver line) actually shuts itself off if it hits low voltage, so the failsafe can't do anything. Failsafe on the bird was set to 0 pitch, idle throttle. The receiver simply turned itself off because there wasn't enough voltage for it to keep going due to the bad cell in the receiver pack.

Many consider this unusually-high voltage shutdown a defect in the Spektrum receiver line.

I tend to agree, but I won't blame Horizon for this wreck. I was fully aware of the problem, but neglected the "cycle the packs at the start of the season" step that long-time glow pilots are used to (I've only been flying glow for 2 seasons)...

jeffk
04-29-2008, 10:34 PM
That sucks, but that's what I was afraid of. I'm concerned about this kinda thing because I fly Spektrum radio gear. I suppose you're right in that you should've checked the RX pack, but you really hope that your gear can cope with such a seemingly small defect.

I was under the impression though, that Spektrum's new firmware had decreased the link delay to somewhere around a second. I'm guessing your RX was not upgraded.

I think I'll be looking into not only upgrading my RXes (all 8 of them...) and possibly using a capacitor to give that belt-and-suspenders safety factor.

redgiki
05-01-2008, 01:46 PM
I wasn't aware there was an upgrade. Just Googled it. The "Quick Connect" feature to handle momentary voltage drops is exactly what would have prevented this crash... I'd have had a momentary lockout, then likely had enough juice to bring it down.

Thanks for the tip! I need to send this crashed receiver back to Horizon for a checkout anyway.

jeffk
05-02-2008, 10:03 AM
See, one big thing that's annoying to me.... Not to single out Horizon / Spektrum since all manufacturers do it, but they all include those stupid "Product Registration" cards with everything you buy so they can "Keep you informed of updates" yet they NEVER do. I found out about the upgrade here on the Freak. Notification SHOULD have come from the manufacturer.

RĒzĒ
05-24-2008, 01:27 AM
I'm still slighty a newb and I was wondering what exactly do you mean by "cycle" the pack? Do you mean to fully discharge it then recharge it again? Or maybe to chuck it in the recycle bin? ;)

Salamander
05-24-2008, 07:40 AM
Problems still seem to plague radios, Spektrum or the old types. IS 2 .4 it the golden bullet of radio after all? or have we all fallen for the hype of "Interference free"

warpspeed
05-24-2008, 10:35 AM
Wow Red! Sorry to hear about the crash, but glad no one was injured. Reading that gave me the creeps!
I've regretted buying the DX7 since the get-go and stories like this sure don't help inspire any confidence in the system.
Live and learn.
Oh well, the 10C will be available soon!

Spectre1770
05-27-2008, 03:58 PM
Wow, sorry to hear about the accident.. Just a quick note about tethering..

Don't do it..

There are lots of threads and vids on why tethering is a bad idea.

Best option is to test fly at the field and bring your gear along. Course we have all test flown in our front yard and I will probably do it again, just be careful..