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psilo
04-29-2008, 03:04 PM
I thought I would just post this to try and clear up some of the confusion around what a BEC is, what it does and the differences between them as it seems to confuse a lot of people and is very relevant to those of us using Spektrum 2.4Ghz

What is a BEC?
BEC stands for Battery Elimination Circuit and that is exactly what it is.

What does a BEC do?
Before lipos and advances in battery technology, the normal method of powering a receiver was through a seperate NiCd battery pack providing 4.8v to the receiver and servos. As battery technology progressed the BEC was introduced to replace the 4.8V receiver pack (making the model lighter) by drawing power from the higher voltage main pack and dropping it down to 4.8V for the rx and servos. So quite simply the BEC eliminates the need for a seperate power supply for your receiver and servos.

What is the difference between built in and external BEC's?

Generally the BEC found in an ESC is a linear voltage regulator (or linear mode bec), quite simply the way these work is to take the input voltage (11.1V on a 3S lipo) and outputs 5V to the rx. The problem is that it has to dispose of the excess 6.1V and to do this it converts it to heat. Generally these linear mode BEC's are rated at 2-3 Amps, however what the manufacturers do not tell you is that this rating is only true with a 6V input. Using a 3S (11.1V) input the BEC will only deliver around 0.5A before it starts to overheat. Linear BEC's rarely reach more than 50% efficiency and can run as low as 10-15% efficiency.

Generally external BEC's are switching voltage regulators (or switched mode bec), these do not care about input voltage and can run up to around 30V+ input. A switching regulator works by taking small chunks of energy, bit by bit, from the input voltage source, and moving them to the output. This is accomplished with the help of an electrical switch and a controller which regulates the rate at which energy is transferred to the output (hence the term “switching regulator”).

The energy losses involved in moving chunks of energy around in this way are relatively small, and the result is that a switching regulator can typically have 85% efficiency. Since their efficiency is less dependent on input voltage, they can power useful loads from higher voltage sources.


A quick Comparison

Lets take our beloved belt as an example. It uses an 11.1V input and the Esky ESC has a 2A linear BEC. In order for the BEC to output 5V/1A the current flow into the BEC has to be at least 1A so the power on the BEC is 11.1V * 1A = 11.1W however the useful output power is just 5V * 1A = 5W so the BEC has to convert 6.1W of power to heat causing it to get very hot. This gives it an efficiency of just 5W/11.1W = 45.%

Now lets say we disable the onboard BEC and replace it with an external switched mode BEC like the Hobbywings 3A UBEC. For the switched mode BEC to output 5V/1A the current flow in is just 0.50A (actual test data), so in this case the power on the BEC is 11.1V * 0.5A = 5.6W with a useful output of 5V * 1A = 5W meaning the BEC only has to convert 0.6W of power to heat and runs at an efficiency of 5W/5.6W = 89%

Do I need an external (switched mode) BEC

If you are using digital servos or more than 3S Lipos then yes definitely as the linear mode bec's will overheat trying to provide any useful output.

If you are running spektrum 2.4Ghz receivers then it is highly advisable as they draw significantly more current than a normal receiver and are very susceptible to voltage drops. If your linear bec is trying to provide a lot of current it will overheat and fail to provide the correct voltage causing the spektrum receiver to reboot.

I hope this clears up some of the questions about BEC's and is useful.

Gerd

Ian 777
04-29-2008, 03:21 PM
Thanks for the clear and concise explaination Gerd

What BEC and ESC would you recommend for the stock motor?

psilo
04-30-2008, 12:12 AM
To be totally honest, I think that the stock ESC is perfectly capable especially if matched with a decent BEC as I think it is the builtin BEC that overheats and causes problems on the stock setup. I use the Hobbywings 3A UBEC but if I was buying again I would go for one of the Dimension Engineering BEC's, probably the sportbec. They are good bec's and do not need you to modify the existing ESC/BEC, you simply solder it up to the ESC deans connector, plug the ESC into the BEC then the BEC into the throttle channel on the RX and it passes through the throttle signal.

http://www.dimensionengineering.com/SportBEC.htm

You can get them in the UK here:-
http://www.technobots.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh000002.pl?REFPAGE=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2etechnobots% 2eco%2euk%2facatalog%2findex%2ehtml&WD=futaba&PN=RC_BEC_Regulators%2ehtml%23a1062_2d011#a1062_2d 011

Gerd

Ian 777
04-30-2008, 01:39 AM
Thanks Gerd:thumbup:

Grant_beltcp
04-30-2008, 06:03 AM
Ahh, you found the trusty technobots website :)
I know the guy who owns that, built the robot M2 on Robot Wars years back.
I also use alot of dimension engineering stuff, theyre BEC's are so nice and light - awesome products.

goshawkben
05-29-2008, 09:15 PM
Hi psilo sorry to sound like a complete twat but do you have pics of what you mean by soldering to the deans etc as I am a complete newbie to this and have bought a dx6i and dont want to fly my belt until I get the bec attached.
I have a hobbywing ubec 3A max 5A will this be ok and how do I attach it
thanks in advance
:roll:

DierWolf
05-31-2008, 10:01 AM
You simply solder on the positive and negative leades to the Deans Connector (the connector that the battery plugs into).

Also everyone has to remember, when you have a seperate BEC you have to cut/disconnect the Red Positive wire from the ESC wire going to the radio or you will be pumping double the voltage to the receiver.

goshawkben
05-31-2008, 05:20 PM
thanks deirwolf do you mean solder it into the same deans as the one that goes to the battery and what about the other plug does that just go into an unused spot on the receiver sorry for the questions but i really am new to this it all seems really alien to me
:thinking

Ber60
05-31-2008, 05:30 PM
or you will be pumping double the voltage to the receiver.

No way :rolling:rolling:rolling

goshawkben
06-01-2008, 08:43 AM
Hi dierwolf just watched the finless bec 101 video confirms what you said many thanks mate :noteworthy

DierWolf
06-01-2008, 11:50 AM
No way :rolling:rolling:rolling

LOL Dirty ole bastard

eaglewwit
06-06-2008, 05:21 PM
I have a DX7 2.4 Ghz with a stock belt ESC. What happens when the receiver reboots? My heli has been doing sudden piros.

eaglewwit
06-06-2008, 06:51 PM
Anyone have a stock ESC, with a separate BEC?

eaglewwit
06-06-2008, 09:30 PM
I think I figured it out. I ran the heli up to see if it would hiccup. When it did hiccup at full power the receiver like blinked. I assume this means it rebooted. Looks like I need a BEC. I saw the Castle one CCBEC, anyone use it.

helihathnofury
06-07-2008, 04:31 AM
It would appear that current wisdom suggests that if you have a decent Rx, then a separate BEC is highly adviseable. I have a DX6i/AR6200 and have recently fitted it with a UBEC; seems to work fine.

Mike

another_finn
06-07-2008, 04:50 AM
Anyone have a stock ESC, with a separate BEC?
One just got replaced by a CC25, but I had two with simple $10 3A UBECs fitted. It's a win-win scenario - the ESC runs cooler without the thermal losses from the built-in linear BEC, the receiver and servos get reliable power, and the whole package remains light and cheap.

DierWolf
06-07-2008, 04:08 PM
I have the CCBEC from CC on my Esmart, very good investment...

Stock ESC is inadequate to run a 2.4 properly even with stock motor, i would upgrade that as well.