Fights on !!

[huskynox]

Well these are build videos NOT reviews... Sure I say things that I like or don't like while doing any build but I do not plan to say which heli I think is best unless there is something so GREAT about one over the other that I feel the need to say that.

So again these build vids are to help people BUILD the heli and provides information over and above the paper manual. It's NOT a review.

BUT I think the neat thing is people can see how they go together and make thier OWN decisions!

Bob

Understood. I should not have used the word "review".

I have a feeling your videos will help me in my decision though. I'm really excited to see how these birds are engineered and assembled..... Exciting times!

The TT assy and tail case look amazing on the Aurora! I can't wait to see how they go together!

[docjoe]

Bob,

It's going to be nice to have both those helis! I guess that you're going to be fuly back into Nitro!

How do we get on the list for one of those 200? ;)

[invertmast]

hey bob.. how about a "comparison" video between the two heli's as well, since they seem to be the top 2 heli's everyone is interested in lately.

[chosen69]

Well so you know about 200 T700 helis will be here next week. They will be going to Align pilots to test and run as much as they can before Align goes into full production. They WANT feedback ASAP from these people. That includes me :)
Mine will be part of that shipment and as soon as I get it I will start videos and test as well. Although it takes me 2 weeks to complete videos thus I wont have NEAR the testing other pilots will.

Anyway this time Align wants some testing from many pilots before going full production. I think this is a good thing considering this is a 90!

Also I will be getting an Aurora about the same time if not sooner. I will thus being doing SIMULTAINOUS build videos on both helis at the same time. Makes me SWEAT and feel under pressure to get them both done in a reasonable amount of time BUT this should be interesting! I may take a week of vacation to do this...
You all will be able to see the builds side by side.

Exciting times folks.... Never before has this happened to me but I am looking forward to it! This is going to be fun for all I think :)

Bob

This is like christmas and birthday falling on the same day !! Shouldn't have told us just yet. Now we're all fired up !!

[john m]

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[Bobbyk]

I feel sorry for the Electric only guys, what are they looking forward too, life is not fair?


Robert

[hamslice]

i was looking forward to the sk360 vids. oh well i guess it got trumped:DOH

[Finless]

The SK360 vids will come.. I am waiting on the new code release for it.

Bob

[Bobbyk]

Bob, do you know if Align is testing their flybarless system? Imagine the 700 with a flybarless. Awesome!!!!

Thanks

Robert

[Tyree]

BobbyK.....

You don't have to feel sorry for the electric only guys.....
Just check out the new Phazor 600's here: http://gohbee.com....

Ty

[chosen69]

BobbyK.....

You don't have to feel sorry for the electric only guys.....
Just check out the new Phazor 600's here: http://gohbee.com....

Ty

What has that got to do with the topic ?

[Tyree]

It has to do with Bobbyk's statement.... is that Ok...????

Ty

[Bobbyk]

I think Align is going to win this one. That was a rush decision to bring out the Aurora, they knew that Align was coming out with the T700N, So they made the decision to put into people mind to wait for the Aurora.



I just thought I quote myself, Mr Align my wallet is ready!!!!

Robert

[jet22b]

My wallet is ready too!!

jet22b

[IS Pilot]

I"m in also just make the price this post # and add a 0

[4cyclic]

I feel the Avant boys might be in for a bit of a surprise if they think the Avant Aurora is leaps ahead of the 700, quality and flying prowess wise.
Time will tell, but don't dismiss the 700. I flew 2 Avants conversions for a while , and then got the 600E and 600N. I can say that after 300+ flights on the 600N , this is one great heli, and extremely reliable. I can slam that thing around all day long.

Although I liked the Avants, I ended up selling both last year.

Based on my experience with the 600E and 600N ,I'm now very ready for the 700 ! bring it on ! I need to feel 90 size power again !!

[ClayK]

hey clay I don't know about you but I would never by an aurora it is to expensive the design of the 700 is going to be almost as good as the avant, and if I had an avant I would not get a sponsorship from align.
Actually, you're wrong. If you ever get a sponsorship, that doesn't mean you can't fly anything else, typically it just means that you are restricted to your sponsored brand at fun flies or similar events. That doesn't mean you can't fly what ever else you want on your own time. However, if you are flying something else on your own time and you enjoy it more than your "sponsored" brand, maybe you need to rethink your sponsorship.
Not trying to be disrespectful, but really how much do you know about the Aurora and have you ever seen one in person or talked to an Avant sponsored pilot? Just curious. Of course, the flip side of that is, how much do you really know about the TRex 700 and have you ever seen one in person or talked to an Align sponsored pilot that has one? I'm going to wager that it's a no on both accounts.... I could be wrong though :dontknow

Not saying the TRex 700 will be a bad helicopter, I will most likely own one (it's a 99% chance). I will also own an Aurora (again 99% chance).
Does anybody here know that Avant Aurora is Made in China??? Avant made the design of the Aurora which is here in the U.S., but it's parts and components are made in China. Whether everyone like it or not the Aurora is not entirely made in the U.S.A. Not taking sides with Align, or any other manufacturer but my philosophy is this: "Whenever a new product comes out whether it'd be tested and proven for over a million tests, there's bound to be a bug that will emerge and will require upgrades and patches to further improve the product. The performance and longevity of a product also depends on the end users usages and how he or she takes care of their property."
How do you know where any part of the Aurora is made? If this statement is true, please support with fact.
Look at Microsoft, a US company that's been in business for several years or decades. Whenever they release a new OS it'll always require update patches and service packs to further improve it's performance and lessen the problems. It's the same fact not just on RC helicopters but as a whole to other manufacters of vehicles, appliances, etc.etc. Bugs and gremlins are here to stay!
Mercedes Benz and BMW, made in Germany, but a heck of problem car. There's bugs and issues with these cars. I use to own a 2000 E 320 Mercedes Benz and after 1 year of usage what happened? My electronic fuel pump gives way and have to cough up $500 just to fix it. I've been following Mercedes's guidelines of using 91 octane gas for this car to make it run efficient and clean and yet this thing still happenes. Mercedes should be a reliable car, but it's not. I traded my Mercedes to a 2003 Toyota 4Runner. I just got this new SUV for a month and the next thing you know there's a big recall because of the design flaw in the fuel system. Bottomline is there will be issues with new products whether it's been tested over and over.
Hmm, one year of driving and your fuel pump went bad? Sounds like a warranty issue and you shouldn't have paid a dime. Actually, the 91 octane is for the advanced timing in the engine. Most performance cars now are requiring a higher octane to keep the timing from being retarded, thereby losing performance. I've had my Acura for 3 years, not one recall issue. No major maintenance issues and she purrs like a cat. Your post sounds a little fishy to me.... I could be wrong though.

We homosapiens always strive for improvement in our life, our health, and our material possesion. Just because a product is well tested and proven doesn't make it much of a better product. Sometimes we tend to improve things that does not really require improving to it because its working fine and dandy.
As for me it doesn't bother me a bit if my RC Helicopter will require an upgrade or add some bling to further enhance the performance and make it look better. Why you might ask? It's because after much tweaking on it, at the end of the day I can stand back look at it and enjoy and be statisfied with the work I have done to my heli. I'm a car enthusiast too and I like to tweak things and make my hands work. It feels good to see something transform in front of your eyes and see an improvement.
As a friend said to me once, "If your time isn't valuable, go ahead and stick with _________". This particular blank was filled with Microsoft with regards to that conversation. You know what? He was right. I've spent almost no time on the maintenance or improvements on my Macs. Can't say the same for the 1,000+ computers I've built or serviced while in the IT field. If the computer analogy doesn't work for you, how about tools? "Buy cheap, buy twice. Buy quality, buy once." If you don't know what the saying is trying to convey, it's the simple fact that if you try to skimp on a product you will most likely have to purchase again. I use to "tweak" my cars (read "ricer") and try to get the most out of my computer systems. Fact of the matter is, in the end, it's still just a Honda or a Windows OS no matter how much bling or stickers you put on it.

You do make a good point, fly what you want. Fly what makes you happy, that's what this hobby is all about. Bottom line, both helicopters will most likely be outstanding models. I plan on owning both. However, keyboard jockeying aside, let's reserve judgement on both until we've flown both. Sounds fair to me...

[LoveMyTrex]

no I haven't seen either in person, but the 700 looks sturdier from the pictures and we all know it will be cheaper and have better parts support, HH is going to carry the 700 and parts, and we will not be carrying the avant parts.

[chosen69]

Finless has both kits now !! This will be awesome to be able to compare them side by side ! Fight's on now FOR SURE !!

[Finless]

Hey... no fighting just building ;)

Bob

[chosen69]

From now on I'll call you the Finless Referee !! ;) Let the games begin oh you great Finless Caesar !! :)

[jet22b]

Now we get the real deal!!!! All hail Finless Caesar!!!!!

jet22b

[Gscott]

no I haven't seen either in person, but the 700 looks sturdier from the pictures and we all know it will be cheaper and have better parts support, HH is going to carry the 700 and parts, and we will not be carrying the avant parts.

How exactly is the 700 sturdier? Despite what Align says it is essentially an upscaled 600N. The frames are wide just like the 600n and it uses the same engine mount. The engine is used for structural integrity so plan on the frame either breaking or replacing the engine case. I've seen this on more than a few 600n crashes and a 90 is going to hit the ground alot harder. Unless they added much better frame stiffeners then expect the frames to flex just like the 600n. I've owned 2 600n's and the frames are not that stiff.

The Aurora uses a much thinner profile for the setup and uses really good frame stiffeners just like the X braces on a Synergy. Go download the manual or look at the pictures at Heliproz and you will see the difference. The Knight 3d frame setup is very similar to the Aurora and it is very stiff and also very durable. The Aurora also uses a real engine mount with a center block for structural integrity. With the 700 all engine vibrations will be transferred directly to the frames.

Then there is the actual parts. The Aurora is all CNC on the metal parts where the 700 looks to be like the 600n which is a mixture of CNC and cast aluminum. Let's not forget Align's inconsistent quality. I really hope they have fixed it with the 700 but from my experience with the 600n I'm skeptical. It's still hit or miss as to whether you will get a straight torque tube or a one way that doesn't lock up.

[LoveMyTrex]

ok have fun with your aurora, I don't even have the money for a 700, let alone an overpriced avant. I love all my align helis, never had any problems that weren't my fault. they are not the best helis ever but they are very good helis that are very reasonably priced. if you want an aurora buy one and enjoy it, but do not dis the 700.

[Gscott]

I'm not dissing anything. You made the claim the 700 was sturdier and I simply pointed out the areas where it wasn't. I also never said I was buying an Aurora. I already have a nice Synergy so until I decide to sell that I will not be buying an Aurora.