My Belt Pics-Just Rebuilt

[Ronniebiggs]

Hi everyone. Just got all my bits and pieces back together and thought I would share some pics with you all.
http://i32.tinypic.com/3586zhc.jpg
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http://i27.tinypic.com/audz6u.jpg
Mods:
Cant fit all my Mods onto my Signiture http://www.heliguy.com/Forum/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif Debating to remove them all and just putted MODDED! http://www.heliguy.com/Forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Here goes:
Trex-
Align Carbon 315 weighted blades
Align Skids/Boom/Belt/Main Shaft/Boom Support/Dampners
Align 220mm Stainless steel flybar

Microheli
Main Gear
CNC Pro Tail

Gorilla programmable paddles
Gorilla low profile landing gear

Carbon Fibre Horizontal and Vertical fins
Full Esky CNC Head/Motor Mount/Swash Guide/Servo And Fin Brackets
Stainless Steel Feathering Shaft
Glass Fibre Canopy

Titanium Turnbuckle Links
Direct To Swash MOD
Castle Creations Phoenix 35A ESC
UBEC
Lipo Led/Warning Device
SG90 Servos
Spectrum DX6I
K&B Rear Blades

Still unsure if I should paint the canopy white or not. Quite like this new canopy. Also I have a yellow set of Gorilla low profile gear that I think I will put on.
Waiting on the Trueblood Dampners off Psilo.

Any other MOD suggestions welcome. Still looking for some http://www.heliguy.com/Forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Andy

[DierWolf]

Looks real good, Get us some video now :) Suggest you fly with all the weight in the Gorilla paddles at first until you get used to them.

The yellow Gorilla Gear would look better, you should put them on.

Also let me know how those K&B Blades work out.

[Ian 777]

Looks really good Andy the tail looks great:)

[helihathnofury]

Nice work Andy. And it still looks more or less like a Belt, rather than a Beltrex!!!!!!!! Like the boom and tail.

Mike

[mfbs17]

Where did you get your cnc pro and main headgear from:lol:?

[Ronniebiggs]

microheli directly for the tail pro. But beware. I ordered it and paid £16 postage to get it here quickly. Was suppost to take 2-5 days and it took about 8 business days. I sent e-mail after e-mail to there support department asking them to refund my postage or offer compensation and they havent replied to any of the e-mails. The annoying thing is that when I was asking general questions to the same e-mail address they replied. Then as soon as it turned to a complaint they ignored me.

The gear was offhttp://www.flightboxrc.co.uk/acatalog/X400ups.html

But TBH if you order the tail order both and save postage.

[Ronniebiggs]

Well what can I say. The new tail is extremely quick. I cant say enough how fast it is now its unbelievable. The amount of power can actually be heard by the tail rotor. Its much louder when you apply rudder. K&B blades are initially looking much better. I think the increase in length has given me that extra thrust the belt needs.

However I havent tested it as well as I would like as I cant get it in the air:roll:

The dam DX6I is a nightmare to setup.

I have set it as per all the guides and vids and my heli is really unstable. It takes much more throttle to take off and bounces up and down. Also the controls (Aileron and rudder) are much slower at response so even holding a hover is really hard.

Cant understand what is wrong. Pitch is 10, 0, -10 (Or near enough that;)). Sounds like on the TX when you turn the top left knob all the way to the right. As if its struggling to get airbourne.

Any advice.

Andy:thumbup:

[Ian 777]

What are your throttle annd pitch curves Andy?

With the stock TX you lift off at about 50% throttle If you've set it up according to finless
it will lift off at about 75% throttle?

What are your swash mix settings ?

If you have +-10 degrees on collective you may not have enough room for the full cylic control when you have full collective input.

High head speed actually gives greater stability

I think you may need to reduce the collective a bit so you only 8 or 9 % and increase
the elev and aile swash mix settings so the swash tilts more when you move the sticks

you can also us the travel adjust to alter the servo arc

Just make sure that with full pitch elev and aile input you dont get any binding of the links or overdriving the servo's

I would set it up to give you the greatest possible control throws, you can always use dual rate to tame it if it's too twitchy.

I was baffled by my heli bouncing up and down so I posted a vid of it and every one said
it was just bouncing around in ground effect. when I flew it out side I found they were right

Out side its as stable as a rock inside it bounces around quite a bit.

I think higher head speed makes it more pronounced when your in a confined space

You do need adequate cyclic movement of the swash though

The DX6i is just the same as other computer TX's to set up... no harder or easier

it has the same basic menu structure just costs half as much:)

[helihathnofury]

... that's another guy having trouble setting up a DX6i!!!!!! Not what i wanted to hear, as mine should arrive tomorrow!!!!!!

MMMMMMMM


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[Ronniebiggs]

Very hard to setup correctly IMO.

I setup as per finless and as you said it takes approx 75% to get off the ground. I dont really like it that way. Liked take off at half stick.

I had the pitch curve on normal at: 40, 45, 50, 75, 100 and a straight line for stunt.

Definatly not the same heli it was before the mods.

I have had someone tell me to set the pitch by having pitch set to default 0 25 50 75 100 then set pitch up. But when I do this the heli acts like its in idle up as there are no curves set. So full throttle gives max pitch. Throttle down give max negative pitch and mid stick zero pitch. SHould I just go ahead and set up like this so that when I put no throttle on pitch is zero? I guess if I did this the full throttle would give a massive amount of pos pitch.

Not Sure?

Andy

[Ian 777]

Mike: it's not hard honest! You just need to be logical, people have problems because you have to set up everything that the pesky TX did automaticaly. LIke I said its the same to set up as any computer TX just a fraction of the price. Unless you want to live with the pesky stock TX this is the only way to go Futaba 6EH DX7 they all require a little involvment to set up, but it's all just logic, take it step by step and youll be fine.

If you want you can copy my settings and just tweak the throws a bit:roll:

Don't panic!!

Ian:)

[Ronniebiggs]

Yes please Ian really would help.

[Ian 777]

Then just change the curve so it lifts of when you want it too.

You can set it up exactly the same as the stock TX if you want too

I'm more concerned that it's less sensitive to cyclic than it was

with mine there is no comparison with its perfomance with the stock TX

It flies beautifully and is much easier to control. and much more responsive

[helihathnofury]

Thank you Corporal Jones!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes Ian, would be of great help for a computer anti-nerd like me.

:noteworthy:noteworthy:noteworthy

:fly

[Ronniebiggs]

Only difference is I have longer servo arms as I fitted my SG90's. But that would give more movement not less.

Ian what about pitch as per my last post?
Could you post your pitch and throt settings, Swash as well, so I can change mine to the same as yours

Thx

[Ian 777]

Ok mate Sorry missed your last post when I was replying to MIke
bear in mind I have a CopterX head so you may need to tweak it a bit

Here goes..... this will take me a few minutes:thumbup:

Mike you fly a flippin AIRLINER man this is childs play for you I'm an anti nerd too...

be patient my typing is naff guys

[helihathnofury]

Ian, I'm a 777 captain, I dont program the bloody computers!!!!!!!!!

[Ian 777]

SETUP LIST
Model type, name, you can sort
your reversers will be different from mine I have different DTS from you.
Just make sure the swash moves up and down when you move the collective stick, every thing else can be sorted out in the swash mix .
Swash type 120 of course
Throttle cut INH
D/R COMBI D/R sw: RUDD

ADJUST LIST

D/R & EXPO.... AILE 0 100% + 15%
ELEV 0 100% + 15%
RUDD 0 100% INH

(this gives a little expo on the swash which you wont need Andy but you might Mike! just set the 15%'s to 0 if you don't want it)

TRAVEL ADJUST... 100% all round except 70% on the rudder ( be sure to set it both ways)

SUB TRIM .... As Finless sayes, for your model, to give 90 degrees on the control horns.

GYRO....I only got rate gyro

THRO CURVE .... NORM 0-25-50-75-100 STUNT 100-90-80-90-10
Andy if you want to lift off sooner try 0-35-60-80-100 in norm or something like that

PITCH CURVE .... NORM 40-45-50-75-100 STUNT 0-25-50-75-100

SWASH MIX .... AILE +80% ELEV+80 PITCH+80
Andy you may need to give more aile and elev and less pitch to get more control
just use these to get the maximum pitch and swash your head will allow. If your servo reversers are different from mine you may need to change the positive value to negative
to get the function moving in the right direction.(obviously you already sussed this Andy)

I used the mix 1 and 2 to compensate for rpm dip when from swash input but dont worry about that for now

hope this helps sorry it took so long to type:cheers

[helihathnofury]

Thanks for that Ian, will give it a go whenever the Tx arrives, hopefully today.

:cheers

Mike

[Ronniebiggs]

My Video[/url]Here is a very short vid of my heli. Note this never happened before I had to reset up my heli with the new DX6I

http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=24509j5&s=3

[DierWolf]

what exactly are we looking for in the video? the bouncing up and down? the tail swinging back and forth?

explain.

[Ian 777]

What pitch and throttle curves are you running with it on the vid Andy?

[Ronniebiggs]

The bouncing up and down and the tail swinging exactly as you said.

I have got the heli more stable now by changing my d/r expo settings and altering my pitch curve from 40 45 50 75 100 etc to 35 63 83 93 100. So now the bouncing has lessoned/stopped. But still the tail is needing constant adjustment. It may be slightly out of true line as there are no holes to line up the new micro heli tail. But as far as my eye can see it looks ok. I havent touched the gyro settings in the TX wasnt sure what to do. Im still using the stock Gyro Not HH and I turned the gain down.

Maybe me but the controls seem different from the old tx. When you put an imput into the old tx say a right input on the right stick the heli would move right. But now the heli appears to tilt right but not really move right. Very hard to explain:roll:. I dont feel as confident in the tx as the stock one (Obviously ignoring the huge problem of the power dips:YeaBaby:)

Andy

[Ian 777]

Keep at it Andy ,mine flies beautifully totally smooth stable and responsive, thought
I must say it did as soon as I installed the new radio, I only had to tweak it a little:thumbup:

[testpilot58d]

Holy crap Ian...80% on the swash mix?

Most folks run around 60% and I think even Finless only uses like 55 in his setup videos.