DX6I Problem. Losing Connection?

[Ronniebiggs]

Just had a flying session in the field and had 1 battery. Landed then changed battery. Plugged the new battery in and no controls!

This is the 2 nd time this has happened its as if its lost its memory with the rx?

Anyone experience this?

Also my gyro hardly works at all I havent touched the gyro settings any advice on this?

Andy

[helihathnofury]

Andy, as you have seen from other posts on other threads, i amhaving "fun" setting up the pEsky HH gyro and the Tx settings. Fro what Erwin said, it appears i have the correct setup, but for some reason I always get rate mode irrespective of my "gyro" switch position!!! I too am seeking help on this. What gyro are you using?

Mike

[DierWolf]

2 different problems, one of which is the same (Gyro not holding)

sorry cant help, not a 2.4Ghz Freak (only when it comes to internet wirless) so cant help you there on the setup..... all i know is i wount be getting a dx6i :) or DX Anything for that matter..

All i can suggest to each of you on the tail problem is turn the gain all the way up and move down from that point.... think there is also a gain setting on the radio itself that might be affecting it.

[DierWolf]

Some of the things i never wanna see my heli do.


Alan Szabo's lockout/brownout resulting in chicken dance, This is a pro with a Pro
setup with all the nice things like BEC's installed so this shouldnt happen but yet
it does.....fast foward to 5:35

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FPV Flight ending with one Lockout/Brownout but was saved becuase he was high and upon attempting to land yet another brownout causing the crash.... and i know this guys setup, and its superb... yet it still happens....

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Same guy.... 2 lockouts... (remember this is the guy that went 3000 ft high with his heli!)
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So much for reliability, sorry i just dont see it, i dont see crashes like this caused by FM radio's going stupid.

The sound alone of the motor simply stoping and the rush of air as it tumbles to earth puts me off from these receivers.... I had a 82mph rc boat that i used a 2.4Ghz on, needless to say it ended up in a pile of cracked fiberglass on the breakwater because of it, never used 2.4Ghz since.

As you can see in my video on the camera mount at 2.4Ghz where i am at, there is interferance everywhere (as our island is flooded with 2.4Ghz wireless towers) which is why i say i will never get one.

In the end everyone can talk to me about computer radio's and i should get this and that... Yes Computer Radios' are great, but i wount be getting one in 2.4Ghz.... Nope i refuse :)

[Jonnyheli]

DierWolf... I would like to see you go that high with your stock TX. I bet yours couldn't go that high without something going wrong either! IT would probably loose signal and fly where ever it wants.

Btw Andy, I have posted what might be the solution to why this is happening on the other forum you posted this topic on....

-Jonny

[Ber60]

There can be many reasons for loss of control, bad connectors/connections, loose wire's, interference and all hard to find.
For the gyro problem I am still pondering on it I can't let it go, I still have a esky HH gyro and will try it on my heli this weekend aldough I will be testing it with a futaba and keep you guy's informed

[DierWolf]

Actually i can check exactly how far my bro went with his heli... one sec time to open Google Earth..... BRB...

PS FM has been out for Ages and been flown in RC planes for AGES for very very far distances...

why isnt there 2.4Ghz Radio stations yet??? Its all about Signal! 2.4Ghz trys to send a shitload of information and when that info isnt good its ignored. Not so in FM..

BRB

[DierWolf]

Ok this was with a LAMA that got blown and blown away with wind and my bro faught it all the way back from the rooftop, i can confirm where it was becuase i took his quad to see where it would crash in case he coudlnt get it back, he was already getting it back towards the house when i was under it so its safe to say it was Further away from where i met up with it and as google says thats 1/5th of a mile away and about 100 ft in the air.

In case you didnt know 2.4Ghz gets WORSE in distance as the line of sight goes lower to the ground....

Now this is with a shitty Esky 4 channel FM radio with Milliwatts of power, it didnt loose signal or brown out at that distance where you cant even see the helicopter but a white dot on the side of a green hill. Dont think anyones intending to use a 2.4Ghz for even that distance using just the naked eye but yet here we are 20 ft away in some videos with brownouts on 2.4Ghz.

I am not saying there not good... Its just the technology is the problem, my bro owns a wireless ISP so i know the issues with 2.4Ghz and how quick radios can disconnect because of interferance... and yes that Second or 2 for that radio to rebind is a killer... FM Gets NOISE when your about to go out of range and you will notice it but yet your still in some sort of control and can turn back... Not so with 2.4, your just Disconnected and hope you get reconnected.

Anyways heres the aerial shot with measurement, like i said it never went out of range so dont actually know how far it could have gone.. but i know for a fact FM travels Very Very far (which is why they moved away from AM, Better Quality and Better Distance) FM Can also penetrate Walls Etc Etc, 2.4 Can manage one or 2 Walls (Concrete)

For me here on my island, 2.4Ghz is definately a NONO, and even if i lived in the US i wouldnt loose it... FM has proven itself... and an FM Computer Radio can perform just as well as any 2.4Ghz Computer Radio.. I'm not talking about sticking with ESKY radio, i am talking FM vs 2.4 in general (reliability wise)

I'll be going with Futaba's Optic 6 FM computer radio myself, as thats what i know performs and is also compatable with FMA's Co-Pilot


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[Ian 777]

Do you have other info on 2.4 GHZ being unreliable Wolfie? I know the new spectrum RX automaticaly rebinds to the TX within a fraction of a second if it suffers brown out.
One catastrophic incident cant be enough to turn you so far againsed it?

I know the early UHF stuff was notorious and had very high power consumption.

EDIT (I wrote this before you posted your last post)

[DierWolf]

In RC boating one catastrophic crashed caused because of a shit radio is more then enough.

Heli's a motor costs under 100 bucks... a motor for a boat that weighs almost 15 pounds and getting it up to 82 mph costs $1250 bucks.. thats just the motor... Look up Quickdraw Engines.. and that doesnt include the 150 dollar tuned pipe or for that matter the racing sleeve.

Heli's you can get replacement frame parts for pocket change, when you crash a boat its no more good and you have to fork out another 200-300 for a new one and build from scratch all over again.

Yes trust me, 2.4 turned me off in more than one way, that boat crash and having to help my bro (who died last year) with his company with constant problems because of interferance... all was fine with a few radios but as clients grew and more and more equipment got deployed it jsut became a nightmare, having to have to switch out equipment to 5.8Ghz radio's which has just as much problems if not more.

PS maybe things may get better here but doubt it :) Since my bro's departure 2 more providers popped up putting up their versions of the 2.4Ghz (different brand equipment, as if we didnt try them all already)....

Good news is the blood sucking partner that he had that took over everything after he died has finally gone under and closing the doors on the 15th :)

[Ian 777]

Thats terrible about your bro

Your basically saying that 2.4 GHZ doesn't really work?

[DierWolf]

It works... when there is little to interfere with it... (i.e check my video on the helicam you will see all of a sudden there is bars running thru the video) thats from my wireless router in the house... both 2.4ghz running on totally different channels.

but when something does, its reboot time and hopefully your high enough for it to reboot and let you recover.... so they say the newer ones reconnect instantly.... if so why disconnect PERIOD?!?.

On the Towers up high in the hills where the wind is blowing like crazy against the tower there is alot of static building up for instance, those radios loose connection most often. Another 2.4Ghz devise even if its on a completely seperate channel (you can actually set which you want on the internet radios) will still cause problems for another one (why dont ask me but it does) not all the time but it happens periodically and you have to fight to find out exactly why, ending up havign to change the channel on the radio to correct the problem, which means you also have to change the channel on all the clients radios that were connecting to it. (just an example)

Its kinda like watching a really really good movie and just at the best part something happens like tons of rain

would you rather have Dish Network and the signal is lost completely and you miss the best part of it all

or have Cable and just get some noise in the picture??

Dunno bout you but i rather see that very important part of the movie than not see it at all.


As for my Bro... yeah was sudden, Cholestrol is what did him in... Mine is also very high and i am on Lipitor 80mg (4 times the normal amount) for the rest of my life coz its hereditary (spelling).. in my family....

People always think you have to be big and fat to get a heart attack, not so, even my bro who is thin and built with 6pack and all has high cholestrol..

So yeah, i dont need the stress of crashes not caused by myself :)

[Ian 777]

Really sorry man, I'm so close to my bro, it hurts just thinking about whats happened to you...

I think there's pros and cons with 2.4 like any other system I read that most of the friction induced noise generated by helis that could affect other systems. is at too low frequency to affect the 2.4 GHZ systems, My Esky one was so glitchy i could not really enjoy flying with it.

[DierWolf]

The "Glitchiness" of the Esky stuff is not coz its FM...

its cause of

1. Shitty Servo's
2. Shitty Pots in the radio

Ever notice when you put it down and not touch it everythings nice and quite on the bird as soon as you handle the radio you get servo twitches... thats because of the shitty pots they used in the radios.

so lets not blame it on its because its an FM Radio, has nothing to do with it. My radio doesnt do it by my bro's does, and its because of the pots, on top of that substandard servo's.

[Ian 777]

No mine still glitched when no one was trouching it but I'm not saying it's cause its FM
its due to build quality issues because they make it for a bout 2 bucks. its amazing it works at all but my old futaba FM in my plank was fine.

Still not sure 2.4GHZ can be as bad as you say though:)

[DierWolf]

like i said many times, its fine 2.4... just for me... here where i am living.. .its a nono..

just lemem know when you get a brownout :)

[Ian 777]

Will do :)

[Jonnyheli]

DierWolf I understand what you are saying. It's like digital tv and a tv with an aerial.

If you loose signal with a TV aerial you get a fuzzy screen but you still have the picture. But with digital, when you loose connection the screen just goes completley:D Am I right?

I know that the 2.4 ghz has down sides but it does have its good sides and I am glad I have one. Right now I have analog servos and a stock gyro so hopefully I wont experience a brown out. But if I get a better gyro or serv's I will probably also get a better esc and a bec.

PS. A computer FM radio sounds good to me.

-Jonny

[Ronniebiggs]

Them vids are unbelieveable. Cant understand why my tx is losing conection after a flight with my heli. What about my UBEC. Its set to 5V should it be 6V? Would that make the difference?

My gyro is the stock esky gyro not HH. I was really struggling today in low wind as my gyro hardly moves the tail. If you adjust the gain it gets loads of shakeing. Will play about tomoro.

Andy

[Ian 777]

Definately getting a BEC though after hearing all this

[DierWolf]

Ronnie its not the voltage its the available amps, how much does your BEC allow for max amps you want 4amps minimum to be a little safe but like i said these pro's use even higher and still yet they get brownouts.

so its not just all about low current lockout..its got to be somethng with the signal quality.

[DierWolf]

Castle creations has a really good bec out that can provide up to 10 amps available for radio/servo's gryo.

Thats what i will be getting for my Esmart.. even though i wount be running 2.4Ghz.

[DierWolf]

Here it is... tried tested and approved :)

http://www.castlecreations.com/products/cc_bec.html

[Ian 777]

Thanks Wolfie:thumbup:

[DierWolf]

No Problem :) I rather blame you guys for shitty flying than a 2.4 radio ... the radio cant debate with me LOL.