Idle up first flight

[LockMD]

Well I didnt do anything special but get used to flipping the switch ---- made no difference what so ever so I am not posting the vid, just looks like me flying around as normal. BUT, I will go that way more often so it will hopefully prepare me for a loop down the road.

[notreallyme]

thats sweet to hear lock when i flipped my idle up switch it jumped up about 4 feet just from the increase in head speed and scared the hell out of me, flipped it back really quick to calm my nerves. still haven't used it again "yet".

Bill

[rdrunr11]

My settings must be all jacked up then because when I switch to idle up, the heli does a complete 180 in about .5 seconds!! I am at a good hover when I throw the switch. Any suggestions??

[notreallyme]

what are your throttle curves in norm and idle mine jump because of the difference in throttle curve between the two my norm is 0-25-50-75-100 and idle is 100-92.5-85-92.5-100 so when i was between 1/2 and 3/4 stick probably 60% to 70% and hovering when i flipped the switch it jumped to between 85 and 92.5 seemed to be a big hs jump. it is possible it was just the torque of the motor spinning you the 180 just from the jump in hs.

[rdrunr11]

I will have to work on bringing the curves a little bit closer to make the transition smoother. I never thought about the jump in curves!! That's why I am here, to learn!!

Thanks!!

[notreallyme]

pitch curve is the same above mid stick in both modes make sure this is the same always or you will get a BIG surprise when you flip it but the throttle mess around a little and see what you like best. again just my opinion.

[LockMD]

I could not tell I hit the switch at all.....BUT

I am used to and fly normal mode throttle curve 60-80-80-90-100

All 3 pitch curves are linear and set idle up throttle as 100-90-80-90-100

Thought I would notice a diff in decline but it declines as fast in both positions, guess I'll have to flip it upside down to notice :confused:

[mupchu]

you'll notice if you are flying in the wind, when you go negative collective it brings her down in a hurry ;-)

[LockMD]

you'll notice if you are flying in the wind, when you go negative collective it brings her down in a hurry ;-)


Seems lately I always fly in winds (you havent seen my vids) actually I'll just be playing around and feel a breeze and head skyward for the challenge.


winds....no winds.....normal 60-80-80-90-100 or idle up 100-90-80-90-100 feels no different what so ever, maybe if I am upside down will be a totally diff story.

[notreallyme]

i'm going to do it again tomorrow, i think it's about time to up the curve a little. i kind of feel like i'm in a hover rut, need to learn something new like quickly hitting the throttle hold as i'm headed into the ground.

[LockMD]

i'm going to do it again tomorrow, i think it's about time to up the curve a little. i kind of feel like i'm in a hover rut, need to learn something new like quickly hitting the throttle hold as i'm headed into the ground.


Pretty much what I am doing........do one thing until it gets old. Good thing is I notice with the 400 anyhow, I dont really think about it anymore, my thumbs just react. I think that is a good thing.

[notreallyme]

yeah i still have to think, at least a little bit. not really good with nose in but i've only been flying for like 2 weeks

[LockMD]

yeah i still have to think, at least a little bit. not really good with nose in but i've only been flying for like 2 weeks


your way ahead of me as I have been doing this since October (slow learner)

[notreallyme]

i think you gave me too much credit, i went out to fly today and really had problems just trying to keep it in the air. i don't know what happened nothing changed but she just didn't seem to be the same heli from the last time i flew her.

[Ti RX-8]

I could not tell I hit the switch at all.....BUT

I am used to and fly normal mode throttle curve 60-80-80-90-100

All 3 pitch curves are linear and set idle up throttle as 100-90-80-90-100

Thought I would notice a diff in decline but it declines as fast in both positions, guess I'll have to flip it upside down to notice :confused:
See, Lock, I told you. With those curves you could flip the idle-up switch back and forth all day and you'd never notice.
Now, next lesson: Flip that baby!

Get it into a hover around 20' up;
Give a quick bump to the collective to get it moving slightly upward;
Push (and hold) full-forward on the cyclic;
As it gets closer to upside-down, gradually lower the collective to ~25%, so that the collective is lowest at the same time the heli is inverted;
Keep the full-forward on the cyclic;
As it gets close to right-side-up, raise the collective back to hover position;
When heli is upright, let go of the cyclic.See how easy that was? (just be sure you don't accidentally give it any aileron or rudder input).

Oh, btw, if you crashed, it was HeliMix's fault. ;)

[LockMD]

See, Lock, I told you. With those curves you could flip the idle-up switch back and forth all day and you'd never notice.

Now, next lesson: Flip that baby!
Get it into a hover around 20' up;
Give a quick bump to the collective to get it moving slightly upward;
Push (and hold) full-forward on the cyclic;
As it gets closer to upside-down, gradually lower the collective to ~25%, so that the collective is lowest at the same time the heli is inverted;
Keep the full-forward on the cyclic;
As it gets close to right-side-up, raise the collective back to hover position;
When heli is upright, let go of the cyclic.See how easy that was? (just be sure you don't accidentally give it any aileron or rudder input).

Oh, btw, if you crashed, it was HeliMix's fault. ;)

just reading that makes my nerves shot - I need a beer ;)

Definitely Helimix's fault........I was thinking when and if I ever do muster the nads a backflip feels more comfy to me that way I'd be pointing the tail to the sky instead of nose to the ground. Thoughts ?

is back easier or ?

[HeliMix]

Definitely Helimix's fault.

Crud! What did I do this time? :oops:

[Ti RX-8]

just reading that makes my nerves shot - I need a beer ;)

Definitely Helimix's fault........I was thinking when and if I ever do muster the nads a backflip feels more comfy to me that way I'd be pointing the tail to the sky instead of nose to the ground. Thoughts ?

is back easier or ?
I think they're about the same. It's all about being smooth with the collective.
Loops definitely make more sense as a "pull back" maneuver. I don't think I've ever tried an outside loop. But doing flips, it doesn't really matter which way you pull the cyclic -- they're all the same. Heck, you could go left or right with the cyclic and do a roll flip. The left stick is the same for all of them. I do all four (in the sim ;)). I've only "mustered the nads" to do loops with the real thing.

[LockMD]

I think they're about the same. It's all about being smooth with the collective.
Loops definitely make more sense as a "pull back" maneuver. I don't think I've ever tried an outside loop. But doing flips, it doesn't really matter which way you pull the cyclic -- they're all the same. Heck, you could go left or right with the cyclic and do a roll flip. The left stick is the same for all of them. I do all four (in the sim ;)). I've only "mustered the nads" to do loops with the real thing.


its just something in my head that would scare the crap out of me making nose in to the ground - physically yeah should be the same - but I will do backwards first to build confidence.

[eugenefelisco]

See, Lock, I told you. With those curves you could flip the idle-up switch back and forth all day and you'd never notice.

Now, next lesson: Flip that baby!
Get it into a hover around 20' up;
Give a quick bump to the collective to get it moving slightly upward;
Push (and hold) full-forward on the cyclic;
As it gets closer to upside-down, gradually lower the collective to ~25%, so that the collective is lowest at the same time the heli is inverted;
Keep the full-forward on the cyclic;
As it gets close to right-side-up, raise the collective back to hover position;
When heli is upright, let go of the cyclic.See how easy that was? (just be sure you don't accidentally give it any aileron or rudder input).

Oh, btw, if you crashed, it was HeliMix's fault. ;)
So what do you call this maneuver forward flip or loop.

[Ti RX-8]

The way I see it, if you start from stationary, it's a flip. If you're start from FF, it's a loop.
I was describing a flip.