View Full Version : Sorry guys, gone to the Darkside.
sparx-
05-18-2008, 10:10 PM
E-flight servos are notorious for not centering. As far as air frame I think it is probably fine w/ good electronics. I do know the balls and links are very substandard, they are an upgraded version from the CP! They don't even work w/ the E-flight ball link pliers! Great engineering.
Substandard? How so? I have well over 100 flights on my B400. Never had one pop off. None of them are wearing. I have had 2 MAJOR crashes and not a single ball link popped. So how are they Sub-Standard?
SPaRX
misterg74
05-18-2008, 10:14 PM
Wow ... i was really hopin to learn from other peoples findings ............ It looks to me like it is all preference ....... I know I have had issues from soup to nuts with my b400 so i'm tryin something else ......... Who knows When i get my 450 I might like my b 400 more .......... I hope that is not the case only cause I'm tired of spending soooo much money ............ I just wannna fly!!!!!!!! :arggg:
Montana_Reefer
05-18-2008, 10:17 PM
Substandard? How so? I have well over 100 flights on my B400. Never had one pop off. None of them are wearing. I have had 2 MAJOR crashes and not a single ball link popped. So how are they Sub-Standard?
SPaRX
The quality of the part and the fact that they don't work properly w/ thier own ball link pliers is why I can make this statment! Go look at the two side by side and tell me all the fine points!
sparx-
05-18-2008, 10:24 PM
The quality of the part and the fact that they don't work properly w/ thier own ball link pliers is why I can make this statment! Go look at the two side by side and tell me all the fine points!
I do not think that because they do not work with a particular tool that makes them a bad part.
So again, I ask, what about the quality of the part makes is sub-standard. As I stated above, I have "tested" the quality of this part pretty well.
SPaRX
sparx-
05-18-2008, 10:26 PM
Wow ... i was really hopin to learn from other peoples findings ............ It looks to me like it is all preference ....... I know I have had issues from soup to nuts with my b400 so i'm tryin something else ......... Who knows When i get my 450 I might like my b 400 more .......... I hope that is not the case only cause I'm tired of spending soooo much money ............ I just wannna fly!!!!!!!! :arggg:
You are not ever going to find a helicopter that does not have its own set of problems. If you think that the Trex is going to save you from this, you are going to find that is not the case. Trex's have their own sets of problems just like any other Helicopter out there and anyone that says different is kidding themselves.
SPaRX
misterg74
05-18-2008, 10:38 PM
K ....... Thanks ........... Believe me i understand that ALL helis have their issues ...... I am just lookin for the least amount of issues ............. I really only know what all of you have told me ............ Am hopin for the best ............ I'll keep my fingers crossed ........... OO and TY everyone for any and all help!
Montana_Reefer
05-18-2008, 10:42 PM
I do not think that because they do not work with a particular tool that makes them a bad part.
So again, I ask, what about the quality of the part makes is sub-standard. As I stated above, I have "tested" the quality of this part pretty well.
SPaRX
You run w/ that!
Let me see same comany (not just some tool) and they don't even work together! Not even to mention the density of all the plastic itself, is extreemly soft compaired to the Align products. Bending and flexing is good for landing gear, but not for tail blades, blade grips, or ball links. This is also why they can be snaped on from both directions!
I'll tell you what I'l borrow one from a friend and put my electronics on it and try it myself.
Oh and BTW I was present when a brand new one was pulled from the box for a demo and the head exploded upon spinup! Lemon? I don't know but that was one of five from the first shipment!
Montana_Reefer
05-18-2008, 10:47 PM
You are not ever going to find a helicopter that does not have its own set of problems. If you think that the Trex is going to save you from this, you are going to find that is not the case. Trex's have their own sets of problems just like any other Helicopter out there and anyone that says different is kidding themselves.
SPaRX
Totally agreed, just look at the 500 and the ESD problems. But knowing this the designers should have designed around these issues w/ the 2.4ghz
sparx-
05-18-2008, 10:57 PM
You run w/ that!
Let me see same comany (not just some tool) and they don't even work together! Not even to mention the density of all the plastic itself, is extreemly soft compaired to the Align products. Bending and flexing is good for landing gear, but not for tail blades, blade grips, or ball links. This is also why they can be snaped on from both directions!
I'll tell you what I'l borrow one from a friend and put my electronics on it and try it myself.
Oh and BTW I was present when a brand new one was pulled from the box for a demo and the head exploded upon spinup! Lemon? I don't know but that was one of five from the first shipment!
And again I will point you to this fact...... I have 100's of flights on my B400. Not a SINGLE plastic part has been replaced in the head. No links, no control arms, no blade grips, NOTHING. One of my crashes was so hard that I snapped an Align Fearthing Shaft (yes I am using align feathering shafts in my B400 head due to them not being in stock) IN HALF. This is a metal piece. There was enough force transfered to that metal part through NUMEROUS plastic parts to snap that shaft yet none of the plastic parts broke. Not a single link popped off. So you telling me that the parts are sub-standard is mind boggling to me to say the least.
What was the cause of the head exploding? Did anyone inspect the heli before spool up? Did they pull another out of the box to demo it? Did it fly? Was it a lemon, most likely.
SPaRX
misterg74
05-18-2008, 10:57 PM
"Can't we all just get along" LOL:hug:
Montana_Reefer
05-18-2008, 11:00 PM
"Can't we all just get along" LOL:hug:
:clappp
jimzpsd
05-18-2008, 11:06 PM
"Can't we all just get along" LOL:hug:
But this is educational........................hold on, I need to get more popcorn.
sparx-
05-18-2008, 11:07 PM
K ....... Thanks ........... Believe me i understand that ALL helis have their issues ...... I am just lookin for the least amount of issues ............. I really only know what all of you have told me ............ Am hopin for the best ............ I'll keep my fingers crossed ........... OO and TY everyone for any and all help!
From the first flight till your first crash, most all helis will give you no issues. After your first crash, well, the sky is the limit.
Guys are complaining about the Trex Swash getting sloppy after 20-30 flights. The bearing is installed in a manner that you cannot replace it and have to buy a new swash. This is just one example.
http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=74029
http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=67572
Like I said, each heli has it's own set of problems. If you are not prepared for that, then you will be disappointed.
SPaRX
misterg74
05-18-2008, 11:09 PM
Hey just sayin I own both now and I WILL value all opinions for or against either one ....... Personally i just wanna know EVERYTHING there is to know:thumbup:
sparx-
05-18-2008, 11:09 PM
Hey, I am not doing this to agrue with anyone. This is a forum that is used to discuss things. I do not interject my personal feelings into this stuff at all.
But, if you are going to make a statement, then at least back up what you are saying with something. Simply saying, "The Trex is better then a B400"?? Why? Saying just that helps no one.
SPaRX
misterg74
05-18-2008, 11:12 PM
Damm:arggg::arggg:
Wow I'm sorry I started such a fight, but I guess that's why the call this a "discussion forum". Keep at it if you guys want, I just read all 4 pages and found it very interesting.
I flew the SA four times today, and it is adequate. The only part in the head that is not plastic is the Headblock, other than that it's just like the B400. Tail is all plastic too, but the frame is aluminum. Like I already said before it does not punch out nearly as fast as my B400 did, but I am using the B400 battery in it, and I think most people recommend a 2200/25C pack for the 450, it is heavier than the B400.
I did not go for the SEv2, because a 450 is not really what my ultimate goal is, I want a 500, and at some point a nice big .90, to go along with the 600E I already have. I find the 400/450 class heli's to be too twitchy, and too hard to see. I want to be able to actually fly high up and far out and still be able to see it, not have to stay relativley close. But having said all that, a 450 is good for learning all orientations and FF. Once I am good at that, I will probably not crash the bigger ones when I get them.
IMHO, there really is not a huge difference between the B400 and the 450SA, they are both relatively cheap, lower class heli's, but excellent for a newb like myself to learn on.
misterg74
05-18-2008, 11:15 PM
Nice at least SOMEBODY made a good decision. BLAH I am way to spur of the moment!:arggg:
Nice at least SOMEBODY made a good decision. BLAH I am way to spur of the moment!:arggg:
What decision, and who are you referring to?
sparx-
05-18-2008, 11:19 PM
Nice at least SOMEBODY made a good decision. BLAH I am way to spur of the moment!:arggg:
Again, do not get me wrong. You are going to enjoy your Trex and it will fly as it is intended. But if you bought it thinking it would be the "Holy Grail" of helicopters and never had a single issue, then you are going to be disappointed.
SPaRX
misterg74
05-18-2008, 11:19 PM
You good decision me bad .......... I think .......... I went for the 450 se v2 ........... blindly ........... who knows i may love it ...... I HOPE :confused:
misterg74
05-18-2008, 11:23 PM
Yeah sparx I really did......... AHHHHH well it's all mine now ........... I'll have to get back to this in about a week and throw my 2 cents in about which one ... I THINK ... is better .... HEHEHE
Montana_Reefer
05-18-2008, 11:24 PM
I did not go for the SEv2, because a 450 is not really what my ultimate goal is, I want a 500, and at some point a nice big .90, to go along with the 600E I already have. I find the 400/450 class heli's to be too twitchy, and too hard to see. I want to be able to actually fly high up and far out and still be able to see it, not have to stay relativley close. But having said all that, a 450 is good for learning all orientations and FF. Once I am good at that, I will probably not crash the bigger ones when I get them.
IMHO, there really is not a huge difference between the B400 and the 450SA, they are both relatively cheap, lower class heli's, but excellent for a newb like myself to learn on.
I have a 450Scf same as yours but carbon frame. First good crash was $116.00 in parts all the plastic in the head broke as well as many other parts. Replaced it w/ all metal for an extra $60.00 now average crash cost is down around $15.00. As for the SEv2 just saved money w/ all the upgrades in the box. And yes the V2 swash sucks! With the right amount of money they become " bullet proof " also no more bent fethering shafts as they are 4mm now!
sparx-
05-18-2008, 11:34 PM
Yeah sparx I really did......... AHHHHH well it's all mine now ........... I'll have to get back to this in about a week and throw my 2 cents in about which one ... I THINK ... is better .... HEHEHE
Well, IMHO it is like this. Most heli will fly great and give you no issues until your first crash unless you get one that is bad out of the box.. From then on, who knows. There is just know way to know the extend of the damaged caused by a crash. There might be something minor that you do not catch right away and will fester into a bigger problem later.
The thing that should conern you more then anything is the "wear and tear" longevity. How do the parts hold up over time. Do they wear quickly. How ofter do the "consumable" parts need replacing.
One thing I will caution you about, with the SE v2. It has a 4mm feathering shaft. If you are still crashing often, you will risk the chance of bending the Main Rotor Block. This part is not cheap.
SPaRX
sparx-
05-18-2008, 11:36 PM
Wow I'm sorry I started such a fight, but I guess that's why the call this a "discussion forum". Keep at it if you guys want, I just read all 4 pages and found it very interesting.
I flew the SA four times today, and it is adequate. The only part in the head that is not plastic is the Headblock, other than that it's just like the B400. Tail is all plastic too, but the frame is aluminum. Like I already said before it does not punch out nearly as fast as my B400 did, but I am using the B400 battery in it, and I think most people recommend a 2200/25C pack for the 450, it is heavier than the B400.
I did not go for the SEv2, because a 450 is not really what my ultimate goal is, I want a 500, and at some point a nice big .90, to go along with the 600E I already have. I find the 400/450 class heli's to be too twitchy, and too hard to see. I want to be able to actually fly high up and far out and still be able to see it, not have to stay relativley close. But having said all that, a 450 is good for learning all orientations and FF. Once I am good at that, I will probably not crash the bigger ones when I get them.
IMHO, there really is not a huge difference between the B400 and the 450SA, they are both relatively cheap, lower class heli's, but excellent for a newb like myself to learn on.
Let me be the first to say thank you for your objective post.
Yes the main reason that the B400 will punch out faster then the Trex is the weight difference. Power-to-Weight is a very important aspect in RC Helis.
SPaRX