ok.. enough.... next flight idle up !!

[barks]

hi all you heli heads.

ive had enough of pussey footing around! the slightest breeze and the heli wants to float!
ive decided the next time i fly it im going idle up, i think its the way forward.
ive made up my mind no matter what im flicking that damn switch ive stayed away from.!

any advice welcome,, im expecting to get into hover and flick it then come up slightly back into hover??

regards
barks

:thumbup:

[Animal]

go on and flip it,, just be ready on the collective to catch the heli.. it may have a tendency to drop if you are running linier pitch curves in stunt, 1 and stunt 2

[Grant_beltcp]

Thats the way to do it!
Just get into a reasonable hover, expect it to jump up a little if your curves arnt matched or using the stock TX - but its not that big a jump. You will fly in idle up all the time then.

[testpilot58d]

Since I finally started I only fly in idle up now.

Well...except to milk another minute out of the battery near the end of the flight I MIGHT go into Norm and do some quick nose in hover, then bring it in to land.

The added stability of the high headspeed makes it soooo worth it.

[jlira]

Someone here commented on switching to idle up on the ground, at nearly 70% just before takeoff. That's the way I plan on doing it my first time. Does anyone see a problem with doing it that way?

[Buz Killington]

I have always fliped into idle up on the ground. that way there is no jump in hight upon switch flip.
Buz

[helihathnofury]

I think if you set your Norm throttle rpms high enough, should be no prob; at mid stick, I set 70% in NORM throttle anyway,so there is lttle change in motor rpm.

[helihathnofury]

.....what do you aces think??????

[Grant_beltcp]

It depends on the weather sometimes as to what I do lol. If its pretty windy I will change into idle up on the ground as its more stable, if its not sowindy I usually give full power to loop or piro's upwards for fun and flick it then as it makes no difference, or sometimes i change it just hovering around - Depends what mood i'm in lol. It doesnt make much difference to be honest

[DierWolf]

doenst matter if your in idle up or not in winds. Winds... depending on its direction into the heli will either Lift or Drop the heli suddenly, its something you ahve to live with and get used to.... I've learned to anticipate it by looking at the trees beyond the heli in the direction in which the wind is coming from to get ready for it.

Dont want to go into all the mumbo jumbo on why this life/drop occures but to put it simple.....

Leading edge of blade moving forward is lets say imoving at 100mph.
Wind coming into that blade head on = 15mph adds to lift because total wind speed over that blade is now 115mph.... Trailing Edge(blade going in same direction of the wind) will have the opposite effect 85mph which is why when it drops its also cycling to one side at the same time.....

so does not matter what you headspeed is, it will drop or rise, just the higher headspeed makes it that much more manageable when it does happen. As your headspeed goes up you get less and less of the Droppage but because of the faster moving air Over the heli blades, the lower the pressure making it lift up that much easier, so even in Idle up you will notice you have to use much less throttle to stay in hover and at times drop throttle alot as it will rise as the wind speed increases...

so again, learn to live with it, dont expect higher headspeed to get rid of the problem of sudden rise/fall in windy conditions.

If i were you i'd go over your pitch settings in idle up, not once but 3 times before flipping that switch to make sure everything is in order on the radio or you'll end up with much much much more headache.....

my final advise to you would be simply to move up in Pinion size to get the higher headspeed or at minimum change your pitch curve to allow higher headspeeds at lower throttle (something as simple as dialing down the left knob to 8 or 9 oclock position on the stock transmitter)

I definatly would not advise someone that never threw the switch to simply "flip it" just to get rid of the problem your having.

[Grant_beltcp]

The main thing with flying in wind is the ability to give negative pitch without sacrificing headspeed - which in wind is very difficult for a begginer in normal mode. Idle up will give a good head speed all the time (whether it be high or not) and the ability for negative pitch when the wind takes the heli up.

[DierWolf]

yeah well.... we'll have a report pretty soon on the idle up switch flick i suppose.

[jlira]

yeah well.... we'll have a report pretty soon on the idle up switch flick i suppose.

I'm doing the same thing I'll let you know how it goes.

[helihathnofury]

Tried the dreaded [but not any more] Idle Up today in gusty winds in the south of UK, and have to say, that i didn't find it a worry. At mid stick in NORM, my head speed is already at 70%, so whilst on the ground, I took off the guard, and went to IDLE UP and went hovering around. Didn't feel much different, as it shouldn't with my pitch and throttle curves.

Still have a health respect for it, and went back to NORM before shut-down due rain!!!!!

But this is England, AND there is a cricket Test Match starting today AND it is a Bank Holiday at the weekend.

BWs
Mike

[barks]

i think some of us missed the point here,
i dont think a higher head speed will stop the heli moving up and down,
but i do think a fixed head speed will alow me to bring it down without having to drop the rpm, which is what happends when the heli gets taken up in a columb of hot air ect.
its happend to me before and even with the throttle off it was still rising! then it fell.
i think that with idle up on it will be more controllable.

here goes......

:arggg:

[rdlohr]

Idle up is where you want to be flying most of the time. When you first are learning, you avoid it just to minimize the complication and the chicken dance when you crash. You have to get used to going up instead of down when you start getting in trouble. The ground is NOT your friend. If you go up, you get a chance to recover. If ultimately you do use your bird as an auger, hit throttle hold quick before you touch if possible.

Not familiar with this bird but you need to adjust things so that switching from normal to idle up has minimal RPM change or you will damage your gears and maybe your motor. I always take off and land in idle up.

By the way, when you start flying bigger heavier birds, wind is less of a factor.

Also, if you fly around 7AM, it is often quite calm. I fly a couple packs on my way to work daily weather permitting. Its also a great time to plan to fly since other activites like wifes plans and kid taxi services don't get in the way.

Rick

[tom dubya]

You can take off in idle up? Do you throttle it up first and then switch to idle up?

[rdlohr]

You can take off in idle up? Do you throttle it up first and then switch to idle up?Yes. I have my throttle curves set up so that mid stick is the same RPM as idle up (90%). I use normal to spin up to mid stick, then switch to idle up with no RPM change. I do this in reverse to spin down.

Actually, my pitch curve for normal mode is a flat line at -2% so I can't even take off in normal mode. Try to go inverted in normal mode and you will see why I have it this way.

Rick