Problems with the newer swash plate

[wakebum187]

Hi I bought a new align swash plate because my old one had a lot of slop but the steel ball were to close to the bottom plate and poop the ball links off the swash plate I had to grind the swash plate down so the plastic links would clear has anyone had this problem?
what should I do?
Thanks Sean

[erniefritz]

????? not sure what your talking about ????? can you post pic's? i've Never heard of someone having to grind the swash... Sounds like you got something out of whack...

[poptart]

are you using align linkage?

[malc1]

This sounds a bit strange????

[wakebum187]

I am using Align links and here are some pictures

[Bobbyk]

your pics are not very clear!!!!

[invertmast]

CSS = Cant see &*it use a macro function.. but i've never seen anyone have issues w/ the ball link ends hittin anywhere on the swash.

[wakebum187]

Sorry I will take a better picture my camera is not that good

[Tim Smith]

you know I just put a new swash plate and the full metal up grades linkage.
Mixing arms .Wash out lever and block. and the new metal bearing blocks for the main shaft.

And the main bearning were notchy and tight after TWO - 2 - flights they were crap
And the swash plate was also showing MASSIVE SLOP. I took the stuff off and returned it. I am waiting to see if they are going to put some Quality bearings in the next one s.
I think ALign has a great Design . But they have screwed it up trying to cut production cost to make more m oney .Kinda Like Cheveron Posting 18 Billion in profits this quarter. What the F%#* Is up with them they are getting ready to lose a Customer .

My Favorite hobby shop left me out in the cold after they sold me a Nirto with Spektrum DS 821 servos and then they failed in Flight..... They said they would replace or rebuild my heli .But this was a month and a half ago .....They lost a customer for sure also . I think we should all get a class action suite going aginst Horizon hobbies for sending out kits to hobby shops thay were ILL Equiped a sold .Then when they crashed you were on your own .......This kinda of Capitalism sucks big POO POO

[wakebum187]

I here yeah. I put my old swash plate back on because I know the links are at least gonig to stay on.

[invertmast]

My Favorite hobby shop left me out in the cold after they sold me a Nirto with Spektrum DS 821 servos and then they failed in Flight..... They said they would replace or rebuild my heli .But this was a month and a half ago .....They lost a customer for sure also . I think we should all get a class action suite going aginst Horizon hobbies for sending out kits to hobby shops thay were ILL Equiped a sold .Then when they crashed you were on your own .......This kinda of Capitalism sucks big POO POO

Ok, first off you flew that heli after being TOLD by numerous people including myself NOT to fly the heli w/ those servo's installed in it. It is not Horizon hobbies fault you did that. Secondly, Horizon has no control over what goes on and happens when there equipment after they are distributed to the LHS and to the end consumer. also, as far as i know, Horizon doesn't sell "packages" of spektrum radios w/ align heli kits. Horizon has some of THE best customer service in this industry, and just b/c you are pissed off b/c you did something stupid after being told not to, is not their fault.

[Tim Smith]

Dude your running your mouth and you don't know what your talking about as far as my problem went...

To Reiterate the Point for you. The Heli was sold as a prebuilt kit. It was said to me quote unquote the heli is PERFECT you don't need to do anything except fly it SO I did then I crashed . I was *****ing about it after the fact .........And as far as Horizon Hobbies goes they said the hobby shop or the person that installed the 821's it was the party responsible for the issue. I had no Idea that the Specktrum or the JR DS 821's were not recomended for a nitro or my Heli would have never went into the air with them They came from a radio kit that the hobby shop employee asyembled .. And the are not DO NOTS USE precautions in the manual for that kit.So they say he did not know either.And he runs them on his just fine he said.So they also went on the kit I ended up with........I had no Idea there was any issue with them till after the crash and after I read the horrizon web site tech note for my self...
Your reply to my post sucks , Dude you should get the facts about a story before you start injecting an acusitory Opinion .
If you want the rest of the details I'd be glad to give them to you . And I am sure that you would change your opinion .
In Fact I know you would .
One thing your are right about is I am PISSED OFF about it.....

[Grant_beltcp]

Sorry but i dont get what that has to do with horizon hobbies?
That is a problem with your LHS - Even spektrum/horizon hobby say on their site that those servo's are not for use with a 50 size nitro, but the 500 size electric is the peak of its limits.
The swash to me looks like the top has been installed upside down? Only clearer pics can confirm it - i my be wrong. I would send it back

[erniefritz]

sounds like no-one knew NOT to run those servo's , just a case of not enough info. not horizon's fault , if i had to lay blame with anyone , i'd have to say that the person that installed the servo's should have checked before doing so , we have had "NUMEROUS" threads about those servos and in general , what to use and what NOT to use...

[SimulatorTech]

I just built my trex 600n pro and the swash plate was also too close to the base, I could not snap the linkage on, trying to separate the two pieces with my hands only(no tool) by pressing under the bearing, the plates separated to normal space gap like it should be. Yes, pressing both together does snap close again. Bad design...

[invertmast]

Dude your running your mouth and you don't know what your talking about as far as my problem went...

To Reiterate the Point for you. The Heli was sold as a prebuilt kit. It was said to me quote unquote the heli is PERFECT you don't need to do anything except fly it SO I did then I crashed . I was *****ing about it after the fact .........And as far as Horizon Hobbies goes they said the hobby shop or the person that installed the 821's it was the party responsible for the issue. I had no Idea that the Specktrum or the JR DS 821's were not recomended for a nitro or my Heli would have never went into the air with them They came from a radio kit that the hobby shop employee asyembled .. And the are not DO NOTS USE precautions in the manual for that kit.So they say he did not know either.And he runs them on his just fine he said.So they also went on the kit I ended up with........I had no Idea there was any issue with them till after the crash and after I read the horrizon web site tech note for my self...
Your reply to my post sucks , Dude you should get the facts about a story before you start injecting an acusitory Opinion .
If you want the rest of the details I'd be glad to give them to you . And I am sure that you would change your opinion .
In Fact I know you would .
One thing your are right about is I am PISSED OFF about it.....

Sorry dude.. but uhmm... here ya go, your stories make NO sense:

http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=71607

Time stamp of the intial thread post = 04-25-2008, 04:43 AM
Time stamp of your NEXT post = 04-25-2008, 02:55 PM

This thread where you reported your "crash":

http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=71842

Time stamp = 04-26-2008, 11:43 PM



Dont tell me i dont "know" what i'm talking about. I've been a member here for a LOONGG time. And i've been in the hobby for 16 years now. Theirs a few things you can learn here:

1. DONT trust everything the LHS says as Gospel.
2. DO your OWN research
3. If multiple people tell you NOT to use a part, DONT use it. Its not only in your safety, but others as well.


No matter the fact that if you were sold it RTF as "perfect" and by "the best" heli builder around, it is still YOUR responsibility to ensure it is airworthy. and by ignoring a Posted (on one of your threads) Spektrum WARNING you put not only yourself but others in danger. It is YOUR fault for the crash after you learned of the un-safe condition b/c of the servo's. NOT the LHS and NOT Horizon Hobbies. BUT the LHS IS responsible for selling you improperly equipped equipment.

[Empot]

''If someone tells you to jump dont jump yet, find out why and what for and waht are the consequences. This hobby takes a lot of responsibility and dedication, you should be aware and familiar enough with the equipment you got. Ive read your other post's and obviously you have been warned already about those servos not very good on a nitro heli 50. And you still flew them and learned the hard way so as I see it there is no issue here.''



Sorry to go off topic from the original post, the swash looks like the bearing is not seated properly thats why the bottom part is higher, thats how I look at it on the pictures. Hope you get it sorted soon.

[Marilyn Somers]

just get the quick UK very good qualtity and a bit more stable model, I don't know how they fly I only know what they said on 50-tuning. But I'm a bit searching for a next upgrade (spartan,align gov or this swashplate)

[rcmarty]

I put the quk swash in and the gforce blocks at the same time

I noticed far less bogging on my routine. (collective managment is getting better) , even a fellow flyer noticed. This would be the blocks

I noticed the rolls were moother and quicker and it had a better feel to it. It's a well made and smooth swash. Sure it cost double what an align one is but i've done in 2 in 65 flights so that is the same as the quk swash. Many reports of 200+ flights on the quk stuff and still tight like day 1

You will need to re-do the head setup and resize the links to the swash. The quk swash has the inner and outer alls in the same plane (align has the center higher than the outer) to get the best geometry.

I'd reccomend this to anyone after trying it, took me a bit to convert over but i'm staying here and look forward to not having to worry about the swash for a very long time.

Martin :)

[Marilyn Somers]

I already have the align metal blocks but I will put in higher qualtiy bearings anyway. I' buy the swash first then better servo's (the ones i have now really sucks),gov then spartan and perhaps also a carbsmart and cylock