Ok you guys can finally help me :)

[DierWolf]

Ok,

Got my ESC and BEC installed and the Esmart took flight last night for the first time, sorry it was dark so my brother could not film (we tried came out black).

Its very very touchy, the slightest movement of the stick yeilds super fast movement.

I tried different EXPO on it from all the way negative number to all the way positive and set at Zero and i really dont see a change in servo speed ....

so now that i got this glorious radio can someone post all these numbers for me, like swash mix etc etc etc.

[Ian 777]

What are your swash mix settings bro?

Have you tried just putting a large amount of D/R on the swash functions

If your using Expo it needs to positive to make the middle stick positions less sensitive
It doesn't slow the servo down just moves less per degree of stick movement around the neutral positions and then more at the extremities so you have the same overall servo movement.

I Think your swash mix settings are probably much too high and reducing them will tame it.

Its probably worth leaving the swash mix a liitle high and putting in some dual rate settings so you have the option of docile and responsive at the flick of a switch

All the best with it:)

Ian

[Ian 777]

My swash mix settings are 80% all round but I think Finless recomends 40% or something like that it just depends on moments on the links and things like that

[DierWolf]

I have swash mix at 70%..

Yes i know it doesnt slow them down, just less movement but not even that i see when i do the EXPO on those 3 channels...... it should move less at mid stick and more as you push the stick further, seems to stay the same to me no matter what setting i put.

D/R i have tried just buy looking at the servo and servo seems to Step with that and i find that would be even worse.

I guess i should just try turning down the swash mix, right now its flyable but just very touchy when you give some stick, need a tad more play around mid stick.

i know you guys have pasted every setting you have numerous time but even so i cant find them LOL... of if you know the link send it on.

[Ian 777]

Yeah I cant remember what posts have settings in tbh. Positive expo will work if you just want more play on mid stick. You should certainly notice a difference to how the servo moves and the dual rate should not make the servo step??? it should just reduce the throw.

How have you assigned the D/R and EXPO switching ? on mine I have combined them to the rudder DR switch

Turning down the swash mix will work though I just dont understand whats happening with the DR and EXPO

[another_finn]

The Optic 6 manual seems to call "soft-around-midstick" negative instead of positive exponential. You can set it independently for both positions of the D/R switches, which also appear to be configurable. If you see no difference at all, maybe you're adjusting the setting for the other mode or have the function assigned to some other switches?

Um... and the manual I saw only mentioned D/R and EXP under airplane functions. It seems to consistently talk about assigning those settings by channel, so I guess it's possible they simply don't work on a 120-degree swashplate. I remember yours was better than the standard model, so I would be surprised if that's the problem here :confused:

[DierWolf]

ahhhh
ok that could be the problem, didnt know i had to assign a switch to the D/R... i see the switch which says D/R etc guess i need to read a little more :)

[DierWolf]

yeah i dont have the Sport i have the full blown model which has it all including exp and dr for all swash types.

I can tell you thow... even though the stick is very sensative she flies like a dream :) just very easy to overcorrect at the moment..

Beleive it or not (since my 5000mah bats didnt reach yet) i flew it on 2 x 3s1p 2400 mah and i got 5 minutes of flight time out of that (and the battery wasnt dead, i just stopped flying becuase receiver battery was going low)

Another pet peeve of mine with computer radios is that part, battery doesnt last very long even when charged fully

[mnwizard]

This the post you're thinking of?

It has lots of Tx setup info with rates etc.

http://helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=69386&highlight=radio+settings&page=4

[Montana_Reefer]

so now that i got this glorious radio can someone post all these numbers for me, like swash mix etc etc etc.

Am I missing what radio this is?

[tom dubya]

WOW Dierwolf you actually broke down and bought a commputer tx eh.

[DierWolf]

LOL yeah. :)

its an Optic 6 (i didnt break all the way down, its still not 2.4Ghz :) )

still sticking to my morals which was not getting a 2.4Ghz radio.

[tom dubya]

lol Well thats good ,i was starting to wonder about ya.

[Ian 777]

The Optic 6 manual seems to call "soft-around-midstick" negative instead of positive exponential.

Oh sorry about that:oops: Good Job Mika's around eh:)

[DierWolf]

tee hee now just gotta figure out how to assign those channels to that switch :) maybe its automatic :) i dunno LOL

[sutty]

So you finally did it. I am now waiting with baited breath for the day when you eventually post, I just love my computer Tx, I don't know how I ever managed without it! Actually I'd better not hold my breath. ;) Seriously though I think you will enjoy it, even if you still maintain that you can achieve virtually the same results with the stock Tx especially with an accurate mechanical set up. I have been super happy with my DX7 and I haven't suffered from any of the reported brown out issues, and I don't even have a separate BEC. I would go as far as to say it helped me learn to fly. Firstly, before I could use my radio properly I had to achieve a far greater understanding of the operating principles of my helicopter, and secondly having achieved this better understanding I was then able to configure my helicopter to respond in exactly the way I wanted it to. Neither of these will be issues for you but I still think in time you'll love it. Sadly I can't offer you any settings advice, as my Tx is different and isn't with me, and anyway in the end I decided not to use expo and that seems to be your main issue.

I experimented with expo but decided I didn't like it. I found that by lowering my swash mix %'s I was able to achieve exactly the response I wanted. I may have to re-visit this choice as I require additional response for aerobatics, but I have only just started dabbling with such things, so I will have to play this by ear.

Anyway good luck and have fun.

[DierWolf]

See you guys still misinterpret what i was talking about.

i was saying i will never get a 2.4Ghz becuase of the brownout problems... yes naturally a computer tx with EPA's and Expos and digital trims would be better than an analog radio.

like i said i still have stuck to my word, never getting a 2.4Ghz radio :)

[Ian 777]

You bin pretty sniffy about computer radio's as well though I think:lol::lol:

It will be a great thing when youv'e tweaked it mate:)

[sutty]

I think you know I was only having a laugh with you Wolfie, and in that same vain I'm pretty sure I didn't misinterpret. I thought I had a good memory and was quoting you. You did say, did you not, in the other place that shall remain nameless, "there isn't anything that you can do on a computer Tx that I can't do with an accurate mechanical set up and the stock Tx. Sure it gives you some shortcuts, but if you'd done your set up correctly in the first place you wouldn't need them." Or does that not sound like you? :) After which I also remember you received a barrage of things that a computer Tx could do, but I also seem to recall that you batted most of them back with a fairly robust defence of the stock Tx. ;)

[tom dubya]

Ya wolf maybe i need to read back though those posts but i seem to remember what all these guys including my self remember. But let me apoligize in advance if im wrong.

[mnwizard]

As one of the "good boys" who still have access, I bring you actual quotes from our beloved Wolfie -

"...I'm still on my stock TX, really to me all the additional things like (subtrims, endpoints) ect ect to me doesnt mean anything, i make sure my heli is mechanically correct off the bat or i dont fly it, hate trims off the center etc etc.... "

"...so to me dont see much benefits in changing. I go with what works for me, if it aint broke no need to fix it..."

"...guess month end i get one of these "Super Radios" that can even cook me an egg and try it out, but like i said to me (For me!), most features are useless as i mechanically set up my bird right from the onset and try not to rely on Aids to shortcut my mechanical setup..."

And finally from Group Commander Dierwolf -

"...Gotta love debates..."

:lol:

[tom dubya]

:rolling:rollingOk now i will recend my apology.:rolling:rolling

[DierWolf]

roflmao

LOL

Well to tell you the truth, i am not using any of the super features it has other than EXP, wich if the radio wasnt making things move so fast i wouldnt need it :)

LOL cant belive you guys going to dig up old info on me like that LOL... Quite funny.

Anyways.... i dint have to fine tune a thing, i simply flipped the d/r switch which also activates the expo's already programmed for that switch and she flew like an angel.

Until the tailbox fractured under 10K tail rpm.. (its a known problem) so cnc tailbox is on its way.

Needless to say it flys like a dream,,, at first very scary.... i remember telling my bro on spoolup that it sounds less noisy than the belt and the Trex, just HUGE nose from the blades whipping.

After the fracture i put her away as i cannot fly it with it like that and i picked up the Exi.

OMG!!!!!! it felt like a toy when it spun up, it was the feeling i had when i flew my lama after learning to fly the Belt CP, so small so insignificant, soooo ammmm WEAK!!!

i took the exi (which sounded now like a lama to me) and threw her here and there and brought it right back in... It felt like a toy compared to the Esmart, and thats after only flying the esmart for 8 minutes!!!.

this is just not right! i wount upgrade ever again!! LOL making my beloved exi feel like a toy and its not....

hard to explain but anyone who has flown a 450 size heli and then fly a co-axial right after knows what i mean.

[mnwizard]

Yep, do know what you mean, I fly my Lamas when I've smashed up the Belts. They seem small and unresponsive, but they are much easier to fly nose in now!

Just couldn't resist doing the quotes! Thought about bringing over some of the Dbcisco debates too but didn't want to over do it! :lol:

[thunderhead]

Start with around 35% on tour swash and 60% dual rate this will tame it down to a good starting point. Run 80% gov mode hi.