Help: How to modify Predator Gasser for flybarless setup?

[113434]

:confused:How to modify Predator Gasser for flybarless?:arggg:
What do I need for it?:arggg:

Step by step...:lolol

1.What are servos optimal for flybarless?:thinking
2. How do I modernise a head?
3. What are systems (V-BAR, RIGID...) optimal for the Predator Gasser flybarless helicopter?
4. How to adjust flybarless system Predator Gasser ?

PLEASE!!!! HELP ME!!!!:confused:

[eurylokhos]

Pull off all the flybar hardware, links, and mixing arms, add linkage balls off the grips where the mixing arms normally attach, and make a set of links that go from those balls directly to the swash. Put a swash follower on (Century makes one) to set the head phasing. Pick your poison for the mixer, I'd use the V-bar since I already have one and it works great, use good servos (I like the Futaba 9452, the 8717s are also awesome), and plug it all in. Read the instructions to adjust it.

[BarracudaHockey]

Give Esprit Models a call http://www.espritmodel.com

Their rep, Bobby Smith was at our field, he's done Trex 600s, 500s, Knight 3D, and I don't know how many others with flybarless systems, he knows as much about them as anyone, they use the Mikado VBar
Check this vid out, it will give you some idea
http://www.jaxrc.com/gallery/video_viewer.php?id=112

[113434]

Dear Eurylokhos!
Now I have^
- Predator Gasser
-GY401
-HITEC HS6965
-HITEC HS5945
-HITEC HS525

FULLYMAX 4,8v, 3300ma/h

WHAT should I make? for flybarless fly?
What additional equipment should I buy?

I know that V-bar is COOL!!!
I sent Message to special V-bar forum (Predator Gasser+V-bar) ... BUT users ignore my question...

Is it Professional heli`s snobbery?

All users of heli forums are professional Theorists!!! All users write Very clever thoughts!!!

BUT Nobody can clearly answer a simple questions!!!

How to modify Predator Gasser for flybarless?:arggg:
What do I need for it?:arggg:

Step by step...:lolol

[113434]

Dear BARRACUDAHOCKEY!!!!

600 Nitro and Predator gasser are - different things..................

[ppridday]

Sure know how to make friends... :roll:

[113434]

Sure know how to make friends... :roll:


HOW?!?!?!?!

[BarracudaHockey]

Good luck

[eurylokhos]

Dear Eurylokhos!
Now I have^
- Predator Gasser
-GY401
-HITEC HS6965
-HITEC HS5945
-HITEC HS525

FULLYMAX 4,8v, 3300ma/h

WHAT should I make? for flybarless fly?
What additional equipment should I buy?

I know that V-bar is COOL!!!
I sent Message to special V-bar forum (Predator Gasser+V-bar) ... BUT users ignore my question...

Is it Professional heli`s snobbery?

All users of heli forums are professional Theorists!!! All users write Very clever thoughts!!!

BUT Nobody can clearly answer a simple questions!!!

How to modify Predator Gasser for flybarless?:arggg:
What do I need for it?:arggg:

Step by step...:lolol


You're not going to get a step by step. The nature of these things is that you have to figure it out on your own if you're not flying a 600N or a Logo. I told you what you need, your servos are fine, go buy a V-bar and a swash follower and bolt it together. The V-bar has good instructions, and will get you in the air easily. There's nothing different or special about your Predator versus a 600N or any other heli that people have converted. Bolt it together and go fly, you're making it more difficult than it is.

[113434]

NO !!! gsser - biggest vibro!!! And V-BAR sensor doesn`t like it!!!...
If you have easy money - give me V-BAR and I will make experiment for YOU!!!


What system it is guaranteed works for gasser FlybarLESS?! V-BAR? Helicommander RIGID& CSM?

[eurylokhos]

Nothing is guaranteed. You were told what you need. If you want to run a different system, then run a different system. They all do the same thing, they will all work if set up properly.

[113434]

I NEED ONE SYSTEM.
I NEED SYSTEM, THAT REALLY WORK WITH PREDATOR gASSER!!!
I write there, because I think, that west heli-men are GURU? models-
Professionals...
but there - only "say-by-say"...
The reality is absent...

Probably, here there are no people able to me to help...
Only conversations on the theory and absence of practice and a reality...

[eurylokhos]

You say you want help, then you criticize it. I'm done with you. Use google, search around, you'll find NOTHING on converting a Predator Gasser. It's a do it yourself thing, if you want something you can just buy and fly without experimenting, go buy a Logo, those are the only helis that come ready to go.

All I can tell you is, I have a Predator Gasser, and I have a V-Bar in a 600N. I will be converting the PG with a V-bar sometime in the near future.

[113434]

Are the "Logo" gasser heli? OK!!!! what system work with LOGO?

[eurylokhos]

Does Google not work for you?

[113434]

ANSWER PARTICULARLY... INSTEAD OF ANSWER, AS THE JEW, "THE QUESTION ON THE QUESTION"!!!

[eurylokhos]

Let's leave that one to simmer for a while.

[BarracudaHockey]

I apprecate the PM about "typical American arrogance"

As I said, good luck in your endevor.

[darryl123]

ill have some of what he is smoking

[e292644]

Really smell some smoke here.

OK, here is my mod on my X-Cell 1005 Gasser, Not airborne yet, don't know if vibrate will cause any issue but everything seem OK on the bench while tuning up the engine.
I use Align Trex 600 washout and arms.
Cut the washout one side open and drill/tap for it to lock the main shaft.(Pic 1)
Remove everything from the rotor head as you can see in the pictures.
Make a link and connect to the swash.(Pic 2)
You'd better use a metal main blade grips, QuickUK for Raptor90 is direct fit but I am looking replace it with Kasama head for X-Cell.
Your choice.
Any question? drop me a PM.

[gorn]

I can tell you for a fact that CSM are the ONLY flybarless company that has actually tested and succeeded with flybarless on a gasser.
I emailed all the manufacturers except LF-Technic, and they all said were not sure, but we really doubt it will work with that amount of vibration.
CSM however said "yes, works, tested already"
I asked for a gasser specifically for 3d to all of them.
Hope this helps.

[eurylokhos]

Maybe Mikado never tested it, but I just got back from the maiden on my Spectra-G with the V-bar, and it works great. Nothing special at all, I just mounted it and did a standard setup, and it flew great.

[e292644]

Once you've got your gasser engine balanced and turned up like BHHanson Pro+. You should be ok.

[eurylokhos]

Mine is a stock 231, and it was fine. Of course, the 260 vibrates a lot more, but still, don't think that you have to have a modified engine to use the V-bar.

[eric_b]

What did you mount the vbar sensor with to help with the extra vibration? One piece of foam tape a-la-401, or something different?