New to nitro helis and need help/advice on a rappy 30V1

[FlyingHigh 450]

hello fellow freaks :YeaBaby:.I need advice on the nitro helis.Ive been flying helis for all most 6 months total now and I just got another Trex 450 so I have 2.I can do all the basic sport flying(flips,rolls,invert hovering:noteworthy,stalls ect..) so im trading one of my 450's this weekend for a rappy 30V1 RTF cause I THINK im ready for one :).Ive been playing with nitro trucks,cars and boats for 14 years or so now so im pretty good at tuning them.Ive never played with a heli motor so if someone can fill me in on tuning and motor temps that would be awsome,the motor is a OS 32.Whats the best glow plugs and heli fuel for them?Also what problems should I look for if there are any?I know the 30 is a little bigger than my 450 but how much more bigger is it and is it more stable in the wind than the 450?If someone has a pic of a Trex 450 and a raptor 30 please post a pic so I have a ideal of the size.Heres some videos of my noobie flying..

First time ever doing flips with ALOT of wind gust http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRWyCKeZQmg

Just buzzing around http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTVkTt6girM

New fuse so I was scared to move around too much lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHXGBHJ8Z8I

Best video out of my 6 months exp other than I had to change my esc cause of the oops in the start of the video :arggg:,nothing got broke http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx4RAL65N4U .

What do you guys think??Am I ready for a nitro ?

Sorry about all the dumb questions,im just trying to get all the info I can before I get the rappy ;).

[Raven_darkcloud]

Yup just remember that 30 will be a little shy on 3d power with the 32 but it will be alot more stable then the 450. You have done realy good for 6 months flying. When you go to flip a 30 with an os 32 get some alt and f speed.

[FlyingHigh 450]

Yup just remember that 30 will be a little shy on 3d power with the 32 but it will be alot more stable then the 450. You have done realy good for 6 months flying. When you go to flip a 30 with an os 32 get some alt and f speed.

Thanks,LOTS of sim time lol.What would be a good motor for it?

[FlyingHigh 450]

My local hobby shop has this one OSM 37SZH OS .37 SZH HELI ENGINE .....$ 149.99 (http://www.prop-shop.com/g/o/osm37szh.jpg) ..

[FlyingHigh 450]

Another question,How are the TG 8000 gyros cause thats whats on it?

[Raven_darkcloud]

start with the 32 then go with the 37 or if you can get one a 46.

[FlyingHigh 450]

start with the 32 then go with the 37 or if you can get one a 46.
Thats what im thinking of doing :thumbup:.Will the flywheel,clutch ect..thats on the 32 fit the 37?

[alienteabagger]

My local hobby shop has this one OSM 37SZH OS .37 SZH HELI ENGINE .....$ 149.99 (http://www.prop-shop.com/g/o/osm37szh.jpg)..


For another $50 you could just convert your .30 into a .50!!!! That is the ONLY weakness of the Raptor 30. It will do well for sport flying and circuits. But get into any kind of 3D and your collective manage had better be spot on, the .30 engine lacks the power to push through the high load demands of 3D flight.

As for your 14 years of nitro car/buggy all that engine knowledge carries right over. Needle settings, temp settings, etc etc etc. Heli engines are just as tempermental as car engines :arggg:. One tip though: Run your heli engine on the richer side. With a car engine you are rarely ever on one throttle setting for long. Heli engines open up and pretty much stay open for the duration of the flight. So you don't want to run it anywhere near lean.

[Ivan]

The V1 raptors had so many flaws they are not worth it in my opinion. I personally would turn it down if it were offered to me for free.

Wah wah
woof and poof
tail blades flying off
wah wah
mainframes that break in flight
wah wah
wah wah
crappy fuel line that dissolved in fuel
wah wah
collective servo placement
feathering spindles were soft as overcooked noodles
clutch shoes that would break after 4 or 5 flights
wood blades that would throw the covering off in flight
a cabin that made pregnant guppies feel pretty

oh, and did I mention wah wahs?

Those were the common issues. There were others that were infrequent. From what I have seen Thunder Tigger has fixed most, if not all, of these issues with the V2 version. Unless the V1 you are getting is all V2 except for maybe the tail fin, you will have a lot of upgrading and headaches to get through.

Sorry to cast such a negative light on it. When those things came out they were dirt cheap. I got my first one for 215$ and a Shuttle was close to 450 for a ZX. The low price was about all it had going for it. There was a thread on one of the raptor mailing lists about being jealous of guys that flew a Nexus, since they only had to fix stuff when they crashed.

(I got my asbestos suit back fron the dry cleaners, so I am ready.)

Ivan

[Raven_darkcloud]

More then likely most of the problems have been addressed all ready.

[invertmast]

dont waste your money getting a 37. just get a 50 and the 50 conversion kit (less than $300) and go that way.

[FlyingHigh 450]

I might just sale my 450 to upgrade everything or just buy one part at a time..LOTS of thinking to do.I look at it this way,its my first nitro,its older and when things crap out on me i'll just upgrade as I go..

[FlyingHigh 450]

dont waste your money getting a 37. just get a 50 and the 50 conversion kit (less than $300) and go that way.I really dont want a 50..I dont have alot of money and the 30 should be a little cheeper..

[awr]

start with the 32 then go with the 37 or if you can get one a 46.

I respect your wisdom Raven_Darkcloud as you've posted alot of good advice on this forum,
but if it was me I would stay away from the OS .46 SX-H.

I speak from experience as I went that route. I still have the OS .46 and likely won't ever use it again.
It's infamous for being a dog of an engine to tune so you'll spend alot of time on that issue alone instead of flying.

Also, there's the issue of engine rpm control due to the gear ratio on the R30 v1, unless you happen to have the money to fork out on a governor.

The OS .37 is a good engine, so if you're going to stay with the R30, go with a proven power plant and
avoid the known "dogs".

Wayne

[awr]

I really dont want a 50..I dont have alot of money and the 30 should be a little cheeper..

This is one area where you don't want to spend the least amount of money you can get away with.

If the heli is still a 30 v1, then I agree that it isn't worth the money. If it has been converted to a V2 then
it's worth considering.

I own a T-Rex 450SE as well as an R50 V2 with all the Titan upgrades (except the boom). I started out with the R30 V2 and installed the OS .46 because I wanted plenty of power. I was then looking at a gear change because I didn't do my homework ahead of time so I opted for the 30-50 conversion kit. I then had an underpowered 50 so I then had to fork out more money for the OS .50 Hyper. If I had simply bought a
50 to begin with, I would have saved myself about $300.00, but I was looking at the short term goal of owning a nitro helicopter.

You own and fly the T-Rex so you're already accustomed to a heli with power to spare. Because of that, you're already considering changing the engine to a .37.

There's a reason the 50 class helicopters are the most popular right now - power to weight ratio nearly equal to a 90 class machine without the operating/repair costs of the 90 class machine.

If you go with the 30 V1 and upgrade the engine, I guarantee that you'll be thinking about the 30-50 conversion within 10 flights on the 30.

Having said that, remember that the 30-50 conversion kit does not include all of the V1-V2 conversion parts, so you're then looking at forking out even more money.

Do yourself a favour. Sell the T-Rex and buy a used Raptor 50. There's enough guys out there dumping
Raptors because they think they "need" the 600N that you can pick them up for a good price.

Wayne

[collegeboye]

My first Raptor was a used 30 size v1 with a .32 in it. I converted it to a V2 and .37 engine later. The cost to upgrade it to a V2 and a better engine was about $300. The V1 to V2 conversion kits are getting hard to find. At least it was had for me to find. I also have a raptor 50 and they are like night and day. I love my thirty because its stable and it can handle all the moves i can do for now. Just dont get to happy and set high pitch curves. My curve ranges from -9 to +9 and i can do inverted and decent climb outs with it. Oh and V2 parts seem easier to get also.
good luck

[FlyingHigh 450]

Thanks for all the help and input everyone:cheers.I did some thinking and it should be fine the way it is just to fly around with but I am putting my 401/S9650 on it.when I get the hang of it,i'll find a OS 37 to stuff in it so I can do flips,rolls and invert hovering.I dont plan on doing any hard 3D so I dont see any reason to change it to a 50 size.I might look for a nice fusealage to put on it and make it my scale heli once I find a better motor and use my 450 for sport flying.I am going to keep a eye out in the for sale section and ebay for the V2 upgrades and buy a few parts at a time or I might find a good deal on a nice V2 frame.Im dissabled from a car accident 4 year ago and have not worked sence so thats the reason I have money problems :mad:.This hobby is the best thing for me and I LOVE it.I have 2 Trex 450's so im trading one of them for the raptor cause I dont have the money to buy one and I really want to move up to a nitro.Trust me,if I had the cash to get a nice nitro it would be a X-CELL 60 cause I love the way they look and there awsome flyers.Im pretty much doing what I can do to get into a nitro and this is the only way for me.....

[matador_24]

Hello....

I have a raptor 30 v2. I started with the OS 32, it's a pretty good heli to learn, it has some differences with the electric heli of course and you will learn a lot. This is how I squized my OS 32:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kmI8lWyIvI

After that video, I replaced my OS 32 by an OS 37. I see a bit more power, not too much. I am flying with 14bucks woodies, a 65dlls telebee gyro and a 35bucks revolution muffler. The OS 37 has more power as I said but not TOO MUCH MORE, at least I don't loose altittude while flipping and rolling as I did with the OS 32. I think I will get some carbon blades and the hatori pipe and it should have more power!, I,ll let you know.

The OS 32 is a very good engine to start, no complains about it, I still have it as a backup engine. It has lot of power too as you can see in the video, for a beginners is enough. By the way, I also have a t-rex450, if you like it, you will love the raptor!