Second nose in attempt

[vicrc]

Well my first attempt at 'inverted nose in' wreaked my Hurry along with my carbon blades :DOH.

Its so strange, I can fly invert forward flights with figure 8s and piros but ones the heli stops in a nose in fassion I am doomed!

This time I got a woody and more courage. :shock:

[mjdee14]

Vic.....well that sucks, sorry to hear that.....

no matter what...these suckers can humble you and your pocketbook at any time...

I just also ruined a set of cf blades on the very first flight......if it wasn't for blades....the hurri is cheap to fix...

[Mikej]

Sorry to hear that Vic - it's strange how we get these particular hang-ups.I'm not as far advanced as you - but I am very happy with my nose-in (right way up) , but if I get the tail out to the right by about 5 - 30 degrees than it all goes tits up.

[JEB123]

I think that's mainly why sims were invented. Same with planks coming at you. Once you master that, everything comes together faster. Try the trick I used for nose in. Follow the movement of the heli with the right stick, your cyclic. If it goes away from you, push the stick away. If it goes to YOUR right, push the stick right. Practice giving smaller and smaller inputs until you can hold it very steady. Do this for a few hours and you'll be amazed how fast you get it. Also practice side in and 45° nose in. It takes time! Stick with it and let me know if this trick helps!

[JEB123]

Oh you said "inverted" nose in! Didn't see that! Same deal, practice practice practice. Which way does it want to go on you? I found another trick for inverted is to push the stick to lift the nose and pull the stick to lift the tail. That works for the elevator in every attitude. Aileron works with the same trick for inverted nose in, follow the heli's motion with the cyclic.

[kahn10]

i haven't even tried nose in yet....pretty aware what the result would be at this stage.but the nose left thing on the sim,soon as it starts going wrong i screw the aileron inputs up and bits of cgi heli everywhere.i find it much easier actually flying :dontknow

[JaggedEdge]

Not inverted either.. I wish!!
I've found that if I think about it I start to get all goofy with the controls. If I clear my mind and do what I do on the sim it all goes ok.
Another thing I have to remember is when tail in the heli drifts left.. Nose in it drifts to the right.

I don't even notice the compensation needed for drift when tail in but when nose in I have to think about compensating for it especially when landing.

The biggest help for me is to try and think of myself in the heli rather than looking at the heli.

[kahn10]

each to their eachiness....... but my bro who trains people spits the dummy at his students if they think orientation in terms of the tail......reckons it confuses the issue even more as you progress

[Jungle Bob]

My 2 cents.
Lots and lots of free accidents on the simm, then piroettes which take longer and longer, ie. slowly slowly until you can stop facing yourself, practice climb outs at any stage of you piro and give yourself reaction time to correct the loss of orientation. ie. height and distance. In an open field (and this is where I create controversy) let it go past you and turn your body to recover your Hurri. Once it clicks it just clicks but remember, height is your friend, use it to start your practice and gain it if it all goes horribly wrong. Good luck guys

[vicrc]

That is a nice pic there JB!

I tried again today, but was too much of a chicken to try for more than 10 second at a steady hover. Seems so easy for my to fly towards me but holding it a stop becomes an issue. I agree the sim will help and will be on the it all day long till it becomes a reflex without thought.

[Jungle Bob]

Thanks, Wazzer took the shot, nice eh! If I was clever like Kahn then I could post the video of the same flyin, sadly I am not, on the video you can hear me saying "I don't know where that came from...it just clicked!" and Wazzer saying "well you went the right way about it...slower and slower piros"
I never thought it would happen but it just did, keep trying, gives you a huge kick when you swing that baby round and stand there looking at your own canopy!

[JEB123]

Thanks, Wazzer took the shot, nice eh! If I was clever like Kahn then I could post the video of the same flyin, sadly I am not, on the video you can hear me saying "I don't know where that came from...it just clicked!" and Wazzer saying "well you went the right way about it...slower and slower piros"
I never thought it would happen but it just did, keep trying, gives you a huge kick when you swing that baby round and stand there looking at your own canopy!

Huge kick is an understatment, you feel like a pilot! :D

[kahn10]

i believe the correct term is bullshit artist jb.....and any video of me with a tx and a chopper heading towards me would have me going what the **** do i do now....LOOKOUT.....****......MOTHER****ER..... :rolling

[ICCA]

i believe the correct term is bullshit artist jb.....and any video of me with a tx and a chopper heading towards me would have me going what the **** do i do now....LOOKOUT.....****......MOTHER****ER..... :rolling

I believe the proper evasive manuver is throttle down, turn, and RUN. :YeaBaby:

Dave

[mysticmead]

I think that was the maneuver that Ben did when his new Trex turned toward him....

[JEB123]

You guys make lousy mentors. Glad I can already nose-in or I'd probably never learn.:shock:

[Jungle Bob]

Mastering Nose In on this forum is only half the battle, you have to master the aging brains of said 'mentors', a task far more unachievable than turnin your heli around.
Wazzer is giving private lessons on the correct avoidance proceedure, it's a great course, you get a pre filled pair of shorts, a yellow streak for your back and a girlie squeal. ha ha

I can't under-estimate the thrill of cracking that elusive first nose in, and once you have done it once then your brain becomes atuned to it (even my brain which is awash with some heavy duty pharmacuticals!!)

Good Luck guys

[vicrc]

You guys make lousy mentors. Glad I can already nose-in or I'd probably never learn.:shock:

I can 'upright' nose in no problem, I can even flip any direction and remain nose in. Its the invert nose that gets me discombobulated. I can hold tail in invert even a few feet off the ground but ones that dang tail goes away from me it could be over! I am pushing it but I just don't want to see the third attempt come too soon.

[ke6d]

I can 'upright' nose in no problem, I can even flip any direction and remain nose in. Its the invert nose that gets me discombobulated. I can hold tail in invert even a few feet off the ground but ones that dang tail goes away from me it could be over! I am pushing it but I just don't want to see the third attempt come too soon.

It is best to work on bail out sequence before you commit to either nose in or tail in inverted. Here is how I learned:

1. Get the heli up high. You can get the Hurricane up a 100-150ft without any orientation problem.
2. If you want to work on you nose in inverted, get the heli into tail in position, then do a half flip to get it inverted, then as soon as it inverted, you need to decide which way you want to bail out (either pull on cyclic to complete the flip, or push on cyclic to flip it nose forward the way you went into the inverted position) I prefer the nose over bail out because the heli gain altitude as you bail out. I is also more natural if you know how to do tic-toc.
3. Keep practicing on the bail out sequence until your brain does not think much about what you should do if you get disoriented.
4. Once you are comfortable with bail out, pull the heli into the half flip position, but instead of bailing out, you hold it there in this position for a few seconds. See if you can level the rotor disk. Remember that as the heli is facing you, whichever blade tip pointed down, move you left right cyclic stick toward that direction. Steer the rudder with the nose (just like tail in hover) Elevator control is reversed. Bail out as soon as you think you are disoriented (don't even bother to try to correct) then retry.
5. Pretty soon you will be able to nose in inverted longer and longer.
6. Remember that collective is also revsersed and altitude is you best friend.

Good luck.

Dan

[mjdee14]

just tried inverted the other day with an experienced heli guy at my shoulder and he said to do it the way described above.....tail in hover....1/2 flip to nose in inverted.....worked pretty good for me.........

[ke6d]

And if you decide to practice on tail in inverted, the bail out sequence is half aileron flip into inverted, half aileron flip out back into up right tail in.

You steer rudder with the tail (move the tail to where you want it to be)

I normally practice on the sim until I don't crash (or think much about the stick movements anymore) before trying it in real life.

Have fun and good luck,

Dan

[Cralis]

Sim is amazing for learning orientation. I've waxed nose in, as well as landing and take off. OK, take off is usually lift and turn right away, but it's a start.

However, one thing that I find harder than nose-in, is .. 'nearly nose-in'. So you're sitting tail in... and then manouver to a nose-in position. It's when the heli has turned maybe 140 degrees where I feel VERY scared and usually check out. Once it's nose in, it's (kinda) OK...

So, what I am trying now is to fly away from me, and climb to maybe 20 metres (3.3ft/meter, I think). Then, still in forward flight, torn and hold the turn until she's pointing at me, and coming towards me, Hey presto, nose in. Keep it coming for a few seconds, then do a nice turn, opposite to the way I turned towards me, so I see the underside of the heli. Blades make a beautiful sounds when you do that....

I repeat that a few times.... but each time, a bit slower... and because it's slower, I'm nose in a bit longer.

They key to making it easier is that you're moving.

A few times, I've brought it to a stop - and once stopped and stable.. it's not that bad... moving the sticks TOWARDS the way she drifts. It's indeed a cool feeling once you're looking at your heli looking at you. :)

Now I am trying to take off, hold the hover, then yaw to face me. Problem is, if she drifts in mid yaw, I panic and usually dumb-thumb, and then hit full throttle to get height and then try save it. So far, so good at the saves... :)

[mjdee14]

the adenaline never stops......isn't it a gas...:banana

[mysticmead]

the adenaline never stops......isn't it a gas...:banana

nope... it's Electric!!

[mjdee14]

nope... it's Electric!!

:clappp:noteworthy