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MonsterMaxx
07-15-2008, 11:47 AM
I've had so many defective parts in this heli that readyheli.com has asked me to write directly to Gaui on this subject. I thought you all might find this interesting so here's the message. I'll update it with any responses from Gaui.
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Dear Gaui,

I’ve been asked by readyheli to contact you regarding the numerous problems I’ve had with this heli – a LOT of defective parts.
1. Blade grips – one of the blade grips was way oversize on the bearings. I found one of the blade grips to be extremely loose on the bearings allowing considerable movement in all directions. The loose grip measures .200" where the one that feels 'right' measures .196" The bearing is .1955". Readyheli.com replaced the blade grip.
http://www.ueusa.net/Img/Heli/GuaiDefectiveBladeGrip.MPG
2. The collar between the lower gear and the frame (with steps on both sides) is badly machined with the tapped hole on one very high on the part and the other not 180°, AND when someone assembled it they stripped both holes. Readyheli.com replaced the collar
http://www.ueusa.net/Img/Heli/GuaiDefectiveCollar.JPG
3. The tail shaft was bent right out of the box. Readyheli.com replaced the shaft.
4. The motor shaft came loose from the can. We were maiden flying it and the heli was very sluggish and making a squeeling noise. We landed it and found that the main shaft was spinning inside the can. I fixed this with some green loctite, but the motor still does not perform. Readyheli.com is replacing the motor. The contrast in this mpg isn’t quite right, but we are holding the can stationary and you can clearly see the shaft spinning.
http://www.ueusa.net/Img/Heli/BadMotor.MPG
5. The swash came off the bearing in flight. The heli went uncontrolled and crashed. I’ve cemented the swash to the bearing with green loctite and am working on repairing the heli from my spare parts. It was totally a slip fit, no interference at all. Should this not be a press fit? This seems to be a common problem as several other users have reported it on the net.
6. I also found numerous screws with no loctite in your ARF. Screws that would have come out if I hadn’t checked them. I had to do a lot of rework on this heli. Yes, this may be to be expected with any ARF, but…


It seems like a good start on a nice design, but has a few glaring design flaws that are not only apparent to me, but also being reported by other customers.
1. Blade grip design does not allow the blades to be properly folded for transport. This is very unusual for a heli of this level and should be addressed. I was able to dremel them a little and make room for them to fold. This should be an easy fix on your end.
2. Crown gear and tail gears are way too weak. The slightest touch of tail to anything and it blows the gears. To compound this problem there’s no parts available in the USA. I had to get some from flying-hobby which of course is expensive shipping and takes a long time. I would strongly recommend making these gears from 6AL4V Titanium and nitride coating them. This will not only keep the weight down, but also provide long life. It’d say this is the SD version’s biggest FLAW and most needing of immediate attention.
3. Shaft drive version builds tail heavy. Even with all the electronics in the front it’s still tail heavy and all your customers have to add weight to the nose which of course is quite undesirable.
4. Landing gear is a bit short. You obviously know this already since it comes shimmed up by nearly 2mm from the factory with those little spacers. Unfortunately now the entire weight of the heli is on the bottom plate and not supported in the notches designed into the side plate for them. Yes, I know making new molds for the stock gear is expensive, but the least you could do is make the CF gear taller.
5. To get proper mesh at the tail gear I have to slightly dremel the bearing on the opposite side of the tail blades or it will hit the torque tube’s gear.
6. Need more surface area on the tail blades.
7. Head damping. It’s quite poor out of the box, there’s many users trying to address this problem but I’ve yet to see a unified solution. The heli is a real handful (like compared to a T-Rex) and I think a lot of that comes back to head damping - it's like herding cats - just all over the place.
8. See Saws are very flimsy.

Readyheli.com has been terrific in the way they have tried to resolve the defects from your factory and they have gone above and beyond. I’ve had this heli nearly 10 days (since Saturday the 5th) and though I've have made a few debugging flights, I'm really still fighting gremlins (now a crash due to the swash coming apart in flight.) I have made a significant investment into this Gaui heli and must say I’m disappointed.

Overall, it seems like it could be a nice heli and I'm not giving up, but he quality control on mine was very poor leading to so many defective parts and one crash. Also these design issues are a problem. Reports on the net of many people abandoning the shaft drive version and going back to the belt abound – I will likely do the same before long. At the cost it takes to build this heli I could easily have built a nice T-Rex that would not have so many quality and design issues. I’m not trying to put you down, but you need to address these issues if you want to make as quality a product as Align does.

Worse yet I convinced a friend to make a similar investment and I fear he’s going to go thru the same trials and tribulations I did and this will make me look very foolish.


Sincerely,

psindrup
07-15-2008, 12:20 PM
Excellent letter.

Looking forward to see the reply from Gaui (if any)

Peter

Buzzkill
07-15-2008, 12:31 PM
I wrote Gaui back in Feb. regarding parts they didn't sell seperately at that time (swash linkage guide,belt pulleys and spacers) they responded very quickly and sent me free parts. The parts I needed and some others I didn't all on their nickle.

I've had excellent response from Gaui and hope you have the same!

Good luck.

Ecklund1
07-15-2008, 12:39 PM
You might achieve a better response if you spell their name correctly.
IMHO

MonsterMaxx
07-15-2008, 12:56 PM
Feel free to add your two cents, here's Gaui's email address gaui@gaui.com.tw

Perhaps if they get several emails we can get something done about these problems.


You might achieve a better response if you spell their name correctly.
IMHO
lol, my bad, I'll keep that in mind in the future. Prehaps a mod could fix the thread title, I don't have the rights.

GreenCello
07-15-2008, 02:32 PM
Monster,
You don't state in your letter which model Guai you've referring to. Might be inferred by your links but not stated.

stoatnchips
07-15-2008, 02:44 PM
Good email but i'm with Buzz on this one, Gaui Customer Care is some of the the best i have experienced. I had a couple of issues with my new 200 and after my supplier in HK pretended not to understand the Gaui waranty return path(ie through him!!)... i contacted Gaui directly. My email must have hit at arround 10PM their time and i had a response shortly afterwards and then they sent me an entire repalcement Airframe!! They did tell me to contact them again directly if i needed anything else... so i did some doodles of upgraded SeeSaw arms and emailed them off as a suggestion... Heard nothing on that point though yet. We'll see, they are either still frantically working away at reprogramming the CNCs or trying to count the money made on SeeSaw sales:thinking
With enough peoples feedback on seesaws, they have to do something i would hope.

yongary
07-15-2008, 03:34 PM
its gaui, not guai :tongue

MonsterMaxx
07-15-2008, 03:36 PM
Monster,
You don't state in your letter which model Guai you've referring to. Might be inferred by your links but not stated.
I did in my letter, there's an SD at the end of the subject line, but when transferring it here I lost it.

Perhaps if a mod sees this and edits the subject line (s)he could add the SD to the spelling correction.

Heli24
07-16-2008, 12:33 PM
Im glad i saw this post. Was thinking of investing in a 200 but after all the problems NO WAY. As my grandpappy use to say when you start with s$&t you useally get s$&t.

psindrup
07-16-2008, 12:55 PM
Im glad i saw this post. Was thinking of investing in a 200 but after all the problems NO WAY. As my grandpappy use to say when you start with s$&t you useally get s$&t.

Please read 20 randomly chosen posts here on the Gaui 200 forum, and you will find the most satisfied and loyal bunch of RC heli pilots you have ever seen.

You just happened to "stumble over" one post that was slightly critical towards the heli in question.

Respectfully

Peter

CHOPPERTECH
07-16-2008, 01:26 PM
they have reposted this letter in the blade 400 section someone from this side might want to respond.

MonsterMaxx
07-16-2008, 01:43 PM
Im glad i saw this post. Was thinking of investing in a 200 but after all the problems NO WAY. As my grandpappy use to say when you start with s$&t you useally get s$&t.
Didn't say it was s$&t or that I didn't like it. Like most anything there are some design issues.
On the build quality issue, perhaps I got a lemon. Readyheli has provided corrected parts and even Align is no stranger to swashes coming apart midflight.The whole Rex450 crowd knows this one too well.

This letter was more intended to help them correct their manufacturing process and to let them know what's failing in the field.

I've yet to hear any response from them on it...

Please don't discard the 200 just because of this letter, it's still a pretty high quality bird that ought to fly nicely once I get the bugs sorted out.

stoatnchips
07-16-2008, 01:56 PM
they have reposted this letter in the blade 400 section someone from this side might want to respond.

I wouldn't worry too much about it... after all they're the ones that own and still post about the Blade 400;) I must say that i have never owned one myself but from what i've seen and heard; if i did, i'd only ever get it out the box when i needed to mix up paint anyway.

CHOPPERTECH
07-16-2008, 02:15 PM
anyone want to buy a blade 400 im going to buy a gaui 200

overclocker
07-16-2008, 04:02 PM
outch guys. the blade is a pretty nice heli besides the servos. why all the hateing?
i would try any heli no matter what brand. you might be surprised on how many are actualy nice

questionmark
07-16-2008, 04:33 PM
How can I say it other than I love the EP200 :-)

-Started with graupner coax...nice for a first bu soooo expensive when crashing and at the end a toy
-Then dreamd about CP heli but little was what I wanted. Got GAUI EP100 pro and though it was piece of crap...never managed to lift it....but now I know I did not deserve it...
-Got Honney bee king2 and though...ok I start to understand a bit more, it is bigger, thus I feel more obvious...Hover it quite a bit but found it quite unstable...the problem is that I'm affraid to hover it in my little living room, when I tune it I have to wait to go in a sport all sometime a week or more...to fly it only for couple minutes and eventually crash it as I want to learn more gradually...Expensive parts at the end I feel when you crash it is a mess... then wait again to fix, to try tune it and see how it goes...
-Then read about GAUI 200SD was cold about the first experience with EP100, but the honey bee showed me I did understand nothing about CP heli. Got it and hovered it in the living room wooowww my first a CP HELI hovering in the living room...crash it of course...minimum damage....SD TT crown gear is what I changed to often IMO... Don't like at all the tail box of the SD, a cheap MOD from GAUI IMO but hey if you want to covert from belt to shaft it is cheap....US 50 or so.... reverse also...So I converted to the BELT and I JUST LOVE THAT HELI, nothing compared to the Honeybee king so much more stable..... not necesarely because beter...but because with the EP200 size I really spend time to tune it, then try, tune it again untill it is perfect and it hover almost by itself....it is because you can try directly your tuning at home it is so stable IMO....last week I first fly it outside in the wind...not so heavy but windy...fast forward some nose in...so stable thanks to the tuning that can be done and tested quickly at home before going to the field

That heli is the best buy I did untill now...so much fun....spend so much money in graupner, also esky lama, honeybee and now I want to only focus on that bird....just makses sense to me, It is so rewarding IMO, learn so much....

Only critic is the SD and tail box and gear wearing as soon as you crash so quickly...hope there be another version....cause GAUI just got me addicted....

stoatnchips
07-16-2008, 04:35 PM
Sorry Overclocker... just being a little snobish.. I always rated Eflite just above Walkera... they fly but its a bit of a handful making them go exactly where you want. Perhaps i should reserve judgement until i have actually owned one... might get one one day to hammer when i learn to go inverted and save my other Helis!

overclocker
07-16-2008, 05:02 PM
Sorry Overclocker... just being a little snobish.. I always rated Eflite just above Walkera... they fly but its a bit of a handful making them go exactly where you want. Perhaps i should reserve judgement until i have actually owned one... might get one one day to hammer when i learn to go inverted and save my other Helis!

exactly!! they are perfect to learn new tricks on. you can make them fly pretty darn stable out of the box. servos are horrid tho. parts are very cheap so they are a perfect choice for newbs and others that dont want to trash there expensive helis learning new things. also with the trans that comes with it. its a no brainer. maybe Eflites other helis gave them a bad name or something i dont know.

now these little 200s you guys got looks pretty cool. i saw a few vids on them and i never throught i would want anything smaller than a 450 BUT these little boogers look pretty nice. how are they flyability wise compared to a 450 sized?

rotorhead58d
07-16-2008, 05:10 PM
Im glad i saw this post. Was thinking of investing in a 200 but after all the problems NO WAY. As my grandpappy use to say when you start with s$&t you useally get s$&t.

funny, both the heli's you have in your signature have numerous problems. :confused:

R0t0R
07-16-2008, 05:18 PM
I have a Blade 400 that the first time I crashed it, I fried 2 servos. Bought HS65s for the cyclic and a 9257 for the tail. Amazing difference! Felt very stable and solid compared to the original servos. I have since cannibalized the servos and rx for my T-Rex, but plan on getting the same servo set up and putting in a GY401 to get the Blade together for just what has been suggested here. (I think Gr4y calls it his "Crash Test Dummy") Parts are cheap, readily available and I don't feel as bad about crashing it as my T-Rex or Gaui.

The little I have flown my Gaui 200, I love it! If you can fly a T-Rex you can fly the Gaui, but it is quick and as others have said, "No dozing at the stick!" Cheap parts and batteries as well as the ability to fly it pretty much anywhere is hard to beat. Now if we could just get better gears for the SD.......

Jetleaf
07-16-2008, 07:03 PM
If someone wants to make a judgement call based upon one thread so be it. I'd like to think most people would research a potential purchase a little more objectively than that. Oh and my grandpappy always said "don't let a good thing pass you by"

CHOPPERTECH
07-16-2008, 07:07 PM
For the record i am not a blade hater, until yesturday i was going to keep my blade 400, see thread belt or shaft-choppertech, My blade 400 was plagued with problems that i did not know about untill i attempted to fly it.
(every blade that leaves the factory is flight tested)----my arse!!!!
I had two expert heli pilots look at what i found during the repair and both agreed that they would have not ever had a chance to control it with out crashing.
I read the threads on the blade 400 side about contacting horizon called in the morning - was very polite- called two diff. cust, service techs. ect. ect. did not receive any satisfaction. the parts in Question where not that expensive, and i had already purchased them to do the repairs. so i was not really worried about it, but i saw how they handled things and i am not impressed. if you read this thread every one that has had defective parts where handled correctly by the dist. or manu. without question. That is what i like.
I am going to keep my radio and receiver and place my now completely set up and ready to fly blade 400 for sale. I would much rather have a gaui ep200 belt. the people on this thread have a lot less problems and 99.9 % are much happier. I knew this a week ago.
Also i looked at this bird before i bought the blade, and i wish i had gone this route first, the only thing that swayed me was the radio. but hindsight is 20/20
THANKS TO THESE GUYS I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT - THANK YOU
Les

Jetleaf
07-16-2008, 07:33 PM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall seeing any videos of Bert Kammerer, Kyle Stacy, or Nick Maxwell flying a Blade 400.

CHOPPERTECH
07-16-2008, 07:42 PM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall seeing any videos of Bert Kammerer, Kyle Stacy, or Nick Maxwell flying a Blade 400.

Those vids are cool