setting up the right 450

[perry59]

I want to set up a "standard" trex450 in phoenix.
In the sim, there are 3 variations of the trex450, (3D/sport/trainer) without going into
great detail, it looks like the biggest differences between these variations are...
different degrees of pitch on the main blades and different amounts of expo.
All 3 do behave differently, the 3D being the quickest. However that is the crux of
the problem. I thought that phoenix was supposed to the setup from my radio (DX7) pitch curves, expo, etc. so why is there the variations in the sim for this? Seems
there should only be ONE trex450 in the sim, and it gets its characteristics from
the radio. Isnt that the whole point of using your real radio with the sim?
Like I said, I want to set up a "standard" (read newb) 450 with "standard" settings
-4 to +10 pitch in normal -10 to +10 in ST1&2, easy throttle curve in normal and 85 & 100 throttle in ST1&2.
Flybar weights all the way out. This is already set up in my radio. Do I have to duplicate this
in the sim by modifying one of the models? If so, whats the purpose in using my expesive radio with the sim? It would be cheaper/easier to use Realflights "fake" radio with no programming and do it all in the sim program.
What am I missing here?

[TheBum]

Not all radios that people use with sims have programmable curves. A prime example is the Blade CX2's TX; I use that instead of my DX7 to save wear and tear on the DX7. If you're strictly using curves in the radio, pick the 3D variant.

[HFG]

Not all 450se are setup the same mechanically. Radio setup is only half of the heli setup. How do you change the paddle type or flybar weights in your radio :) I have my own 450se that flies like mine and its significantly quicker than the 3D variant.

[perry59]

Good points.
Not all radios will have all features, so you would have to implement them in the sim.
Of course, you dont change flybar weight in your radio;)
Machines can be mechanically different, tame or hot motors, pinions etc.
I just took the 3D variant and took out the negative expo so hopefully it is close
to my "real" thing. I assume that regardless of how the model in the sim is set up
it will obey the settings (curves) in my radio. Since, in normal mode at low stick
the engine powers down. But how can I be sure its really following my pitch curves?
One thing that makes me suspicious is that the original 3D variant had quite a bit
of negative expo and the controls were indeed very touchy! even though in my radio
it is set up with zero expo. When I set the sim to zero expo it became more
manageable. So it seems the sim does not adhere to all the radio settings.
Speaking of flybar weight, how would you instruct the sim to utilize that?

[e30ernest]

How realistic is the Trex 450 in Phoenix? How close does the 3D variant fly to lets say, a Trex 450SE v2 without flybar weights? Since version 1.04 and later the autorotations in Phoenix have gotten a lot easier on the 450 model. Is it accurate or is the autorotation behavior on the older versions more accurate?